Nielsen All In for Taking the Kids Away

[Tanngrisnir]

I've posted at length about the matter at hand. You must have missed it. The bottom line is that business as usual regarding illegal immigration, must end.

Ah, so the emotionally over-the-top nonsense about "caring more for foreigners than American citizens" and "shameless frauds whose interest is not in helping the illegals but in tearing apart the nation they so disdain" was, indeed, just over-the-top nonsense.

OK.

 

[veritas1]

Ah, so the emotionally over-the-top nonsense about "caring more for foreigners than American citizens" and "shameless frauds whose interest is not in helping the illegals but in tearing apart the nation they so disdain" was, indeed, just over-the-top nonsense.

OK.

No, it was additional commentary on what has become obvious about the political left. Find me one left politician who has expressed the least bit of outrage over American families having lost loved ones because some people want illegals to be in the country. That's a total dereliction of duty by Democrats. I don't hold business blameless in the least, either, but they aren't sitting in Congress.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

No, it was additional commentary on what has become obvious about the political left.

No, not to any rational, sober adult. It's utterly unmoored from reality.

Find me one left politician who has expressed the least bit of outrage over American families having lost loved ones because some people want illegals to be in the country.

It's up to you to prove that any didn't, and it's utterly irrelevant to the subject at hand. I'm not here to support your asinine claims.

That's a total dereliction of duty by Democrats. I don't hold business blameless in the least, either, but they aren't sitting in Congress.

Awwwwww.... somewhere, somehow, someone didn't express an opinion that you insist they don't have (they hate American, after all, and want to tear it apart) and that's enough to prove they don't care about Americans.

Yeah, sure.

 

[veritas1]

No, not to any rational, sober adult. It's utterly unmoored from reality.

It's up to you to prove that any didn't, and it's utterly irrelevant to the subject at hand. I'm not here to support your asinine claims.

Awwwwww.... somewhere, somehow, someone didn't express an opinion that you insist they don't have (they hate American, after all, and want to tear it apart) and that's enough to prove they don't care about Americans.

Yeah, sure.

It isn't up to me to show that Dems give a sh*t about Americans who lost loved ones to illegals. I'm still waiting for one of them to demonstrate it. So far, all they demonstrate on a regular basis is care and concern for illegals, even felons wanted by ICE. They show much more concern for them than for their constituents. It's all about votes. Dems know they aren't too popular anymore so stamping out new voters is a high priority and illegals will do just fine.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

It isn't up to me to show that Dems give a sh*t about Americans who lost loved ones to illegals. I'm still waiting for one of them to demonstrate it.

You made the claim that they don't. Thus far, when called out on it, you've failed to support it.

So far, all they demonstrate on a regular basis is care and concern for illegals, even felons wanted by ICE. They show much more concern for them than for their constituents. It's all about votes. Dems know they aren't too popular anymore so stamping out new voters is a high priority.

No, that's not all they've demonstrated. If one has to lie to support an argument, perhaps that argument should be revisited.

Dems have won 43 flipped seats now since Trump took office. People who aren't too popular don't do that.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/politics/democrats-flip-state-senate-seat-missouri/index.html

 

[veritas1]

You made the claim that they don't. Thus far, when called out on it, you've failed to support it.

No, that's not all they've demonstrated. If one has to lie to support an argument, perhaps that argument should be revisited.

Dems have won 43 flipped seats now since Trump took office. People who aren't too popular don't do that.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/politics/democrats-flip-state-senate-seat-missouri/index.html

It's not up to me to prove the negative nor is it possible. If you have any evidence to counter the claim, you should be able to produce it. The obvious attention Democrats lavish on illegals is hardly a secret. Listen to Pelosi or Schumer or Feinstein. Look at the state of CA. It's all over the place and right out in the open. Don't get mad at me for pointing out what Dems hardly try to conceal. In fact, they take great pride in it. Look at Feinstein's immigration bill: No arrests within 100 miles of our border. WTF? So, any immigrant who gets within 99 miles of US territory can't be arrested. Complete lunacy yet these people want our votes.

 

[tres borrachos]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...separation-border_us_5b282537e4b05d6c16c64aeb


Only by wearing a Swastika armband could she fit her role more perfectly.

I'll bet she feels like an idiot right about now.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

It's not up to me to prove the negative nor is it possible. If you have any evidence to counter the claim, you should be able to produce it.

It is, however, up to you to actually demonstrate the veracity of your claim. You have utterly failed to do so. If it were at all a valid claim, you should be able to support it.

The obvious attention Democrats lavish on illegals is hardly a secret.

What does that even mean? To 'lavish attention' on illegals?

Listen to Pelosi or Schumer or Feinstein. Look at the state of CA. It's all over the place and right out in the open.

Yet again another baseless claim based on undefined terms. Why am I not surprised?

Don't get mad at me for pointing out what Dems hardly try to conceal. In fact, they take great pride in it. Look at Feinstein's immigration bill: No arrests within 100 miles of our border. WTF? So, any immigrant who gets within 99 miles of US territory can't be arrested. Complete lunacy yet these people want our votes.

I'm not mad at you; I'm laughing at you for being so transparently and rankly dishonest.

 

[Grand Mal]

I'm not talking about the garden variety Democrat voter. I'm talking about far left Dem politicians, their willing cohorts in the MSM and academia and the far left lemmings who believe what they're told by them. My point stands as well. The left barely talks about or acknowledges American citizens killed by illegal aliens. They find the subject very distasteful and no wonder.

You're just another hyper-partisan hack demonizing all those on the other side of the political spectrum. American citizens killed by illegal immigrants? WTF? This is about children being separated from their families.
All you guys, you radical-right hacks can't seem to separate small children from tattooed gangsters, if they're all brown skinned.

 

[veritas1]

It is, however, up to you to actually demonstrate the veracity of your claim. You have utterly failed to do so. If it were at all a valid claim, you should be able to support it.

What does that even mean? To 'lavish attention' on illegals?

Yet again another baseless claim based on undefined terms. Why am I not surprised?

I'm not mad at you; I'm laughing at you for being so transparently and rankly dishonest.

Your response is to attack me and provide nothing to counter what I've said. I'm not impressed.

 

[veritas1]

You're just another hyper-partisan hack demonizing all those on the other side of the political spectrum. American citizens killed by illegal immigrants? WTF? This is about children being separated from their families.
All you guys, you radical-right hacks can't seem to separate small children from tattooed gangsters, if they're all brown skinned.

BS. I was pointing out the disconnect on the left which is highly attentive to any perceived injustice to illegal immigrants but completely dismissive of the damage illegal immigrant criminals do to American citizens. It has nothing to do with "tatooed gangsters". Among millions of illegals there are thousands of ordinary criminals and they commit crimes against our citizens. Yet Dems cheerlead for more and more illegals and take up their cause. It's a total dereliction of duty and a slap in the face to American citizens. But hey, when you need votes, you need votes and the Dems desperately need votes.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Your response is to attack me and provide nothing to counter what I've said. I'm not impressed.

No, my response is simply to point out that you've utterly failed to back up your claim.

I accept your admission that you cannot do so.

 

[veritas1]

No, my response is simply to point out that you've utterly failed to back up your claim.

I accept your admission that you cannot do so.

You obviously don't understand the concept of proving a negative. You can easily refute what I said by showing me some proof that what I said is untrue but you can't do it and so attack me. Not surprising. That's SOP for you guys.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

You obviously don't understand the concept of proving a negative. You can easily refute what I said by showing me some proof that what I said is untrue but you can't do it and so attack me. Not surprising. That's SOP for you guys.

No, I understand it just fine. I also understand that you've made a claim that you've utterly failed to substantiate. It's not my job to refute your asinine claims. You don't really seems very familiar at all with how this actually works.

Pointing out that you've made statements you cannot back up isn't an 'attack', but I totally understand your need to pretend that it is so you can play the victim.

 

[veritas1]

No, I understand it just fine. I also understand that you've made a claim that you've utterly failed to substantiate. It's not my job to refute your asinine claims. You don't really seems very familiar at all with how this actually works.

Pointing out that you've made statements you cannot back up isn't an 'attack', but I totally understand your need to pretend that it is so you can play the victim.

I don't have to substantiate a negative nor could I. You could easily refute it by posting evidence to the contrary. You don't have any.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

I don't have to substantiate a negative nor could I. You could easily refute it by posting evidence to the contrary. You don't have any.

Yawn. I accept your concession that you cannot in any was support your claim and likely made it for that very reason.

We're done. Go ahead and have the last word.

 

[veritas1]

Yawn. I accept your concession that you cannot in any was support your claim and likely made it for that very reason.

We're done. Go ahead and have the last word.

I will. You sound like some doll with a pullstring that repeats simplistic phrases over and over. Yawn indeed.

 

[Deuce]

It isn't up to me to show that Dems give a sh*t about Americans who lost loved ones to illegals. I'm still waiting for one of them to demonstrate it. So far, all they demonstrate on a regular basis is care and concern for illegals, even felons wanted by ICE. They show much more concern for them than for their constituents. It's all about votes. Dems know they aren't too popular anymore so stamping out new voters is a high priority and illegals will do just fine.

Demonstrate it, how? Punishing other immigrants who didn't commit violent crimes?

Or should we just shout and stamp our feet?

What you really mean by "demonstrate" how we care about crimes committed by illegal immigrants is "Democrats should support what I support."

 

[Rogue Valley]

Nielsen has thrown her lot in with Trump. History will [rightly] judge her harshly for being a willing party to separating families and incarcerating 2,000+ children in various states.

John Kelly and James Mattis are also great disappointments to me. Honorable soldiers, dishonorable Trump officials.