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NFL Pizza

Chomsky said:
That's exactly what I'm saying!

And thanks for being open minded about this, Rev. :thumbs:

The thin crust pizzas, especially on the South-side where there was a plethora of them, were an Italian immigrant thing, made by older guys in flour coated aprons & white tees proudly holding their peel while standing in front of their ovens. They had names like Vito, Tony, Vinny, & Salvatore, often speaking broken English with a thick - but beautiful - accent!

Conversely, the deep dish stuff was invented in a downtown restaurant, owned by a transplanted non-Italian Texan! :shock:

Argh!

The deep-dish stuff was then copied & promoted by the other relatively higher-end, often non-Italian owned mainstream American downtown restaurants, where it was a more expensive & more profitable product, and most importantly was 'downtown tourist friendly' because it was eaten with a knife & fork! Sacrilege! So the new stuff took-off by a combination of the downtown tourist trap places promoting it, and the recent technological advances in the media & communications - namely the internet and cable TV - where it was heavily promoted by Food Network et al.

Now the ultimate insult: Suburbanites and younger people, mainly North-siders not having as much exposure to the traditional style pizza in the city neighborhoods, and after having a decade or more of heavy media exposure about deep dish "Chicago Pizza", now have jumped on the bandwagon promoting this lasagna like stuff as a matter of civic pride! And yes, you are right in that Chicagoans do have a very strong second-city thing going on in relation to New York, as can be exemplified by Golden Gloves having originally been a local Chicago thing, then extended to New York as a Chicago-New York rivalry for many decades, before it eventually expanded & went national. This same 'second city effect' plays into the further promotion of deep-dish by Chicagoans, that have embraced the newer pizza style.

(Golden Gloves is a great program, BTW, and very cost-effective entertainment for the both the boxers & spectators!)

Thanks for reading, if you got through all this.
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I think you have a bit of a skewed view. Us North Siders have been eating pan and deep dish for a while, but I agree the deep dish thing has been a little oversold.

Actually, the worst insult is that Ike Sewell sold Uno’s in the late 80s and it’s now a national chain...but the franchises realized they couldn’t make enough money making a pizza that requires a 45 minute wait, so now people all around the nation are thinking that the best Chicago pizza is the kind you can get at your local Uno’s Chicago Grill...which doesn’t even exist in Chicago.
 
Threegoofs said:
That’s what I initially thought... but I didn’t figure you ever went down that far South...

Best pizza ever.

And the place is great too- a South Side Cub bar with Old Style...and shag carpeting on the walls.
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Back in the day in some neighborhoods on the South-side, there were places like this every few blocks, though Nick & Vito's was always one of the better ones.
 
Threegoofs said:
I think you have a bit of a skewed view. Us North Siders have been eating pan and deep dish for a while, but I agree the deep dish thing has been a little oversold.

Actually, the worst insult is that Ike Sewell sold Uno’s in the late 80s and it’s now a national chain...but the franchises realized they couldn’t make enough money making a pizza that requires a 45 minute wait, so now people all around the nation are thinking that the best Chicago pizza is the kind you can get at your local Uno’s Chicago Grill...which doesn’t even exist in Chicago.
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Thanks.

Yeah, I'm marginally aware of the bolded. The original Lou Malnatti's, being a prime example. But I was mainly speaking to this style of pizza really accelerating in the national conscience as "Chicago Style", due to the more recent technological advances in the media & internet as we become more interconnected.

And I think you've shown, that there's a North-side / South-side discrepancy going-on here. Deep dish never really caught-on on the South-side, even until today. And many South-siders still oppose deep-dish as "an abomination".

This difference in palete, may have started as a downtown thing with Uno's & Gino's East, but evolved to a North-side / South-side thing. North-side embraced it, while the South-side eschewed it.
 
Chomsky said:
Thanks.

Yeah, I'm marginally aware of the bolded. The original Lou Malnatti's, being a prime example. But I was mainly speaking to this style of pizza really accelerating in the national conscience as "Chicago Style", due to the more recent technological advances in the media & internet as we become more interconnected.

And I think you've shown, that there's a North-side / South-side discrepancy going-on here. Deep dish never really caught-on on the South-side, even until today. And many South-siders still oppose deep-dish as "an abomination".

This difference in palete, may have started as a downtown thing with Uno's & Gino's East, but evolved to a North-side / South-side thing. North-side embraced it, while the South-side eschewed it.
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Deep dish is only an abomination on the South Side because...Connie’s.

Yuk
 
Chomsky said:
That's exactly what I'm saying!

And thanks for being open minded about this, Rev. :thumbs:

The thin crust pizzas, especially on the South-side where there was a plethora of them, were an Italian immigrant thing, made by older guys in flour coated aprons & white tees proudly holding their peel while standing in front of their ovens. They had names like Vito, Tony, Vinny, & Salvatore, often speaking broken English with a thick - but beautiful - accent!

Conversely, the deep dish stuff was invented in a downtown restaurant, owned by a transplanted non-Italian Texan! :shock:

Argh!

The deep-dish stuff was then copied & promoted by the other relatively higher-end, often non-Italian owned mainstream American downtown restaurants, where it was a more expensive & more profitable product, and most importantly was 'downtown tourist friendly' because it was eaten with a knife & fork! Sacrilege! So the new stuff took-off by a combination of the downtown tourist trap places promoting it, and the recent technological advances in the media & communications - namely the internet and cable TV - where it was heavily promoted by Food Network et al.

Now the ultimate insult: Suburbanites and younger people, mainly North-siders not having as much exposure to the traditional style pizza in the city neighborhoods, and after having a decade or more of heavy media exposure about deep dish "Chicago Pizza", now have jumped on the bandwagon promoting this lasagna like stuff as a matter of civic pride! And yes, you are right in that Chicagoans do have a very strong second-city thing going on in relation to New York, as can be exemplified by Golden Gloves having originally been a local Chicago thing, then extended to New York as a Chicago-New York rivalry for many decades, before it eventually expanded & went national. This same 'second city effect' plays into the further promotion of deep-dish by Chicagoans, that have embraced the newer pizza style.

(Golden Gloves is a great program, BTW, and very cost-effective entertainment for the both the boxers & spectators!)

Thanks for reading, if you got through all this.
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It's not lasagna stuff or a casserole. Chicago Deep Dish is pizza taken to a higher level.

And what's with this "it was invented in the 80's" stuff? Deep Dish was founded in the late 40's or something like that. Much much earlier than in the 80's. Sewell was from Texas, but he and Riccardo invented the pizza in Chicago proper. I mean, in general Chicago is an extraordinary melting pot of cultures and foods, NY can't even compete. And of course, it had quite the Italian-American heritage as well. So there's surprise that Chicago developed different types of pizza, from thin crust to deep dish. But it's all uniquely Chicago. I think there tends to be more pride in Deep Dish because it is iconic to the Chicago scene. So while haters got to hate, the Deep Dish pie will remain the iconic pizza of Chicago.
 
Threegoofs said:
I think you have a bit of a skewed view. Us North Siders have been eating pan and deep dish for a while, but I agree the deep dish thing has been a little oversold.

Actually, the worst insult is that Ike Sewell sold Uno’s in the late 80s and it’s now a national chain...but the franchises realized they couldn’t make enough money making a pizza that requires a 45 minute wait, so now people all around the nation are thinking that the best Chicago pizza is the kind you can get at your local Uno’s Chicago Grill...which doesn’t even exist in Chicago.
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I haven't found a quality Chicago style deep dish outside of Chicago. Even in some of the pizzerias in central Illinois, which weren't that far (relatively speaking) from Chicago couldn't quite capture something like Gino's or Uno's.
 
Threegoofs said:
Deep dish is only an abomination on the South Side because...Connie’s.

Yuk
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I was pretty sure everything on the South Side was an abomination

lol
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
What????

Defend Chicago pizza all you want, but come back in from the ledge. ;)
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NY cannot compete with Chicago overall as a foodie city. It's true. All food stuffs are better in Chicago.
 
Ikari said:
NY cannot compete with Chicago overall as a foodie city. It's true. All food stuffs are better in Chicago.
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Definitely not true.

NY does Jewish deli better - way better. They’ve got great ethnic restaurants, and better middle eastern and Turkish than I’ve ever had in Chicago.

Lots of great food in NYC.

But Chicago gets the edge in some stuff- like Mexican food. Mexican food in NY/NJ/PA is just awful.
 
Threegoofs said:
I see you are ignorant of Vito and Nicks.

Poor guy.
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Clearly being facetious, playing on the North/South rivalry. But thanks for catching on.
 
Threegoofs said:
Definitely not true.

NY does Jewish deli better - way better. They’ve got great ethnic restaurants, and better middle eastern and Turkish than I’ve ever had in Chicago.

Lots of great food in NYC.

But Chicago gets the edge in some stuff- like Mexican food. Mexican food in NY/NJ/PA is just awful.
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Good points. And there's 1 or 2 Italians in NY too. So some of the Italian restaurants and Delis and Pizza places are good too.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Good points. And there's 1 or 2 Italians in NY too. So some of the Italian restaurants and Delis and Pizza places are good too.
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Meh. My favorite place was Totto Ramen.

Also I would say NJ is the place for bagels.
 
Ikari said:
NY cannot compete with Chicago overall as a foodie city. It's true. All food stuffs are better in Chicago.
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haven't been to NYC, so i can't say for sure. however, Chicago food is awesome. around the neighborhood my wife used to live in, you could set out on foot and try a different awesome restaurant every night. tons of independent stores, too. it was like time traveling back to the 1970s before superstores finally ran downtown shops out of business.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Good points. And there's 1 or 2 Italians in NY too. So some of the Italian restaurants and Delis and Pizza places are good too.
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The Italian is great. But Chicago has great Italian food too, with twice as many Little Italys as NY!
 
Threegoofs said:
The Italian is great. But Chicago has great Italian food too, with twice as many Little Italys as NY!
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I didn't say Chicago doesn't have good food and diversity..

But please don't say things like Chicago has more diversity than NYC and better food.

If you want good ethnic food, NYC is tops..

Again I KNOW other cities have good food too.. New Orleans, and Seattle are in my top ten.. So is Chicago. But don't pretend NYC doesn't have good food.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I didn't say Chicago doesn't have good food and diversity..

But please don't say things like Chicago has more diversity than NYC and better food.

If you want good ethnic food, NYC is tops..

Again I KNOW other cities have good food too.. New Orleans, and Seattle are in my top ten.. So is Chicago. But don't pretend NYC doesn't have good food.
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I didnt say that!

NY probably does have more diversity, although Chicago goes pretty deep (just saw a Khazhak/Uzbek restaurant the other day).

And it has better food in some areas, like most places.

But we got Rick Bayless...
 
If its great food and diversity, then it's Los Angeles.

/thread
 
Threegoofs said:
LA is like one gigantic suburb. Some redeeming qualities, but not enough to want to make it a destination for... anything.
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lolwhut? L.A. has great weather, Hollywood, theme parks, beaches and stuff. I mean, I like the Bears and the Cubbies, but what does Chicago have? NY is a sardine can.
 
PoS said:
lolwhut? L.A. has great weather, Hollywood, theme parks, beaches and stuff. I mean, I like the Bears and the Cubbies, but what does Chicago have? NY is a sardine can.
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Chicago doesn't have Hollywood.

lol
 
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