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Nfl 2017 [W:1941,2227]

CanadaJohn said:
Cousins certainly has a stronger case, in my view, than Matthew Sheppard in Detroit had for being the highest paid QB in the league. Brady, if he didn't forego the cash, would be the obvious choice for highest paid, even at this late point in his career, but of the active QBs with a few years experience, Cousins is in the top handful at worse. I've got a feeling that many Ravens fans would die to have Cousins for the same salary they're paying Joe Flacco to stink up the league on a weekly basis.

Redskins are paying Cousins a good salary but I can't understand why they've been stringing him along for several years now. If he goes on the open market this year, as he likely will, he will get offers in the Sheppard range, that's how important a competent QB is to the success of a team.
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The Redskins' approach to Cousins has seemed to me to be shortsighted and self-destructive for some time. I think the Denver Broncos will pursue him aggressively.
 
CanadaJohn said:
A very entertaining game last night between the Packers and Steelers, two of the NFL's premier franchises. Of course it would have been more interesting with Rodgers playing, but I have to give kudos to Hundley for an excellent game and he seems to be a real keeper and proving the Packers correct in sticking with him and not succumbing to the cries to sign Kaepernick. Hundley looked really poised in the pocket and he's learned a thing or two from Rodgers about moving up when the pass rush gets close. As well, the Packer's defense has been playing pretty well lately although the Steelers' offense is really starting to click. Big Ben also looks a lot more mobile this year having not been beat up so much in the early games.

Bottom line from last night, for me, Steelers look ready to make a serious push for the Super Bowl and Green Bay looks like a sleeper playoff team, if it's not too late, with Rodgers soon to be ready and Hundley looking solid if Rodgers can't make it back until late. Would be too bad if an inferior team like the Lions or the Panthers made it and the Packers didn't - no chance either the Lions or Panthers win the Super Bowl, Packers just might.
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Steelers in the past few weeks struggled past a poor colts and were nearly taken to OT by a Roderless Green Bay. This game doesn’t show the Steelers are ready for a super bowl push at all. The patriots are going to eat your breakfast and steal your lunch money.
 
Higgins86 said:
Steelers in the past few weeks struggled past a poor colts and were nearly taken to OT by a Roderless Green Bay. This game doesn’t show the Steelers are ready for a super bowl push at all. The patriots are going to eat your breakfast and steal your lunch money.
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Not so fast, the Madden curse is still looming on Brady. [emoji6]
 
Higgins86 said:
Steelers in the past few weeks struggled past a poor colts and were nearly taken to OT by a Roderless Green Bay. This game doesn’t show the Steelers are ready for a super bowl push at all. The patriots are going to eat your breakfast and steal your lunch money.
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Considering some of the games this year in which the Cheatriots greatly benefitted from questionable calls in order to survive, you seem inordinately cocky. You might win the game in Pittsburgh, then again, you might get blown out. You might lose the first game in Pittsburgh, but then when the second game in Pittsburgh. Then again, you might lose both.

That's the difference between fans of other teams, such as myself, and you usual Cheatriots fans. I/we are capable of crediting the opposition with good play and competence whereas the average Cheatriots fan is so self-absorbed they're unaware that anyone else exists.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Considering some of the games this year in which the Cheatriots greatly benefitted from questionable calls in order to survive, you seem inordinately cocky. You might win the game in Pittsburgh, then again, you might get blown out. You might lose the first game in Pittsburgh, but then when the second game in Pittsburgh. Then again, you might lose both.

That's the difference between fans of other teams, such as myself, and you usual Cheatriots fans. I/we are capable of crediting the opposition with good play and competence whereas the average Cheatriots fan is so self-absorbed they're unaware that anyone else exists.
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“ we are capable of crediting the opposition with good play”

“ cheatriots only 9-2 because of refs”


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Eli has been benched.

Funny thing is after weeks of awful play and most Giant fans screaming for Eli head now they are SHOCKED the Giants benched him.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Eli has been benched.

Funny thing is after weeks of awful play and most Giant fans screaming for Eli head now they are SHOCKED the Giants benched him.
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Benching him is understandable, benching him for Geno Smith is not understandable.
 
PoS said:
OK, so free agency is starting up and the combine too.

Latest news is that the Redskins will franchise tag Kirk Cousins for the second year in a row. Is he worth it?

And the Pats will not be trading Jimmy Garoppolo. Thank goodness since the Bears were so desperate to pick him up. I say no way.
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You posted this while I was still in basic training so I didn't have a chance to respond. 1) yes he is worth it 2) those dumbasses at Redskins Park should have signed his ass to a long term deal two years ago. It's ****ing ridiculous when simple decisions that are obvious to fans are apparently not obvious to management.
 
The Man said:
Benching him is understandable, benching him for Geno Smith is not understandable.
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I dont think they should have benched him without giving him the option first of an outright release. I hope they did that. I think he earned that right.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Eli has been benched.

Funny thing is after weeks of awful play and most Giant fans screaming for Eli head now they are SHOCKED the Giants benched him.
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My husband said the same thing to me last night when we first heard about it.

I understand the benching of Manning. What I don't get is benching him in favor of Geno Smith. Surely someone in the Giants organization watched a Jets game or two.
 
StillBallin75 said:
You posted this while I was still in basic training so I didn't have a chance to respond. 1) yes he is worth it 2) those dumbasses at Redskins Park should have signed his ass to a long term deal two years ago. It's ****ing ridiculous when simple decisions that are obvious to fans are apparently not obvious to management.
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You joined the US Army StillBallin!!! I remember you talking about joining the military years ago.

Congrats and good luck
 
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I don't think it's a certainty that he's gone, and I don't know what percentage chance there is of him leaving versus staying. The bigger picture though, is that if we had a competent front office the team wouldn't be in this position in the first place. Self destruction seems to be a recurring theme with this franchise.
 
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tres borrachos said:
My husband said the same thing to me last night when we first heard about it.

I understand the benching of Manning. What I don't get is benching him in favor of Geno Smith. Surely someone in the Giants organization watched a Jets game or two.
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Yep, but we don't know what's going on behind the screens. Maybe in practice the Giants brass sees that Webb isn't ready. Geno isn't a good QB, but he's more mobile that Eli. And because the Giants O-Line is so bad maybe they figure they need a change to someone who can move. Watching Eli the past few YEARS we can see he's stationary and has happy feet. He's gun shy back there, and often he throws the ball too early and his accuracy has been very bad for years now.

The Giants offense hasn't scored over 24 points in about 2 years. Last time they scored 30 points was when Coughlin was coach in 2015. They're averaging about 15 points per game this year. In today's passing crazy, offensive game that's almost impossible.

Obviously that's not all Eli'd fault. But he's part of it. Everyone wants to pat him on the back for the 2 SB years, but in his other 12 years as QB the Giants have won ONE playoff game. If people want to give him credit for the 2 good years, then he needs to take some of the blame for the other 12 so-so years.
 
Higgins86 said:
“ we are capable of crediting the opposition with good play”

“ cheatriots only 9-2 because of refs”


Lol...
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I could point out several posts in this thread where I credited other teams with good play, even the Cheatriots. You??
 
VanceMack said:
I dont think they should have benched him without giving him the option first of an outright release. I hope they did that. I think he earned that right.
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I could be wrong, but I think his dollars are guaranteed til the end of this year and he has a $5 mil bonus owing sometime in March and then 2 years, not guaranteed, remaining on his contract. I wouldn't doubt that the ownership/management of the Giants decided they could kill two birds with one shot - a) get Eli to walk away from the team, saving salary this year and b) have McAdoo take all the blame for the benching and then fire McAdoo, Eli's guy, at the end of the season.

Giants should have tried to trade him if this was their plan/play and it didn't just occur to them this weekend. I'm betting there would have been at least a few takers who'd offer up a couple of 2nd/3rd round draft choices.

My guess is that, presuming Borttles tanks the rest of the year or in the playoffs, the Jags will look to pick up Eli because of Coughlin's connections with him and the respect the two have for each other. Other possibility is the Jets, just to stick it to the Giants, Eli liking living in NYC.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep, but we don't know what's going on behind the screens. Maybe in practice the Giants brass sees that Webb isn't ready. Geno isn't a good QB, but he's more mobile that Eli. And because the Giants O-Line is so bad maybe they figure they need a change to someone who can move. Watching Eli the past few YEARS we can see he's stationary and has happy feet. He's gun shy back there, and often he throws the ball too early and his accuracy has been very bad for years now.

The Giants offense hasn't scored over 24 points in about 2 years. Last time they scored 30 points was when Coughlin was coach in 2015. They're averaging about 15 points per game this year. In today's passing crazy, offensive game that's almost impossible.

Obviously that's not all Eli'd fault. But he's part of it. Everyone wants to pat him on the back for the 2 SB years, but in his other 12 years as QB the Giants have won ONE playoff game. If people want to give him credit for the 2 good years, then he needs to take some of the blame for the other 12 so-so years.
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Part of that problem has been their lack of consistency at the WR position. When healthy...at least on paper...they had the capacity to be a top 5 receiver corps. But when have they been healthy?

True...Eli...is slinging it and I dont Eli has ever really been a great deep threat QB...but its a team O thing.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I could be wrong, but I think his dollars are guaranteed til the end of this year and he has a $5 mil bonus owing sometime in March and then 2 years, not guaranteed, remaining on his contract. I wouldn't doubt that the ownership/management of the Giants decided they could kill two birds with one shot - a) get Eli to walk away from the team, saving salary this year and b) have McAdoo take all the blame for the benching and then fire McAdoo, Eli's guy, at the end of the season.

Giants should have tried to trade him if this was their plan/play and it didn't just occur to them this weekend. I'm betting there would have been at least a few takers who'd offer up a couple of 2nd/3rd round draft choices.

My guess is that, presuming Borttles tanks the rest of the year or in the playoffs, the Jags will look to pick up Eli because of Coughlin's connections with him and the respect the two have for each other. Other possibility is the Jets, just to stick it to the Giants, Eli liking living in NYC.
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If Eli plays next year, he will need to go to a team that is a QB away from being a winner. Weird as it might be, I wouldnt be shocked to see him as a Redskin next year if Cousins goes in FA.
 
VanceMack said:
Part of that problem has been their lack of consistency at the WR position. When healthy...at least on paper...they had the capacity to be a top 5 receiver corps. But when have they been healthy?

True...Eli...is slinging it and I dont Eli has ever really been a great deep threat QB...but its a team O thing.
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Yeah, and the Giants haven't had a running game in 4-5 years either. They got a lot of problems. But all those other problems doesn't mean Eli isn't 1 of the problems too. They need to go younger AND more mobile at the QB position.

Obviously Geno isn't the long term answer. But something needed to be done.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I could point out several posts in this thread where I credited other teams with good play, even the Cheatriots. You??
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Yeh i can do the same, do you have me confused with Bucky or something?

I also don’t call other teams “ cheats” because i know it’s hypocritical. You should probably do the same.
 
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