New rules for impeachment procedures

[Athanasius68]

What secret tribunal? For the love of God.....this is an investigation. They are usually done behind the scenes until the facts that are going to be presented are gathered. Do you call every police investigation that happens in your town a secret tribunal as well, or only because Donald Trump is the subject of this particular one?

You do realize that the discovery (not be be confused with the legal term in a criminal trial) portion of the Clinton impeachment didn't happen on TV either, right? All we saw was the trial that happened in the Senate, as it was an actual TRIAL. The only thing that we the public saw prior to that was the vote to impeach and send articles over to the Senate to be tried.

An impeachment is not about enforcing laws. That is actually not a power of Congress.
It's a politial act; a way for Congress to keep an executive or judicial official in check.
It's not designed to be a partisan effort.

If the Democrats believe Trump has abused his power, they should proudly declare it and show the world what they have and not hide in the shadows.

 

[Grand Mal]

My bad. Of course you are right. This is not an impeachment process because the House has not even voted to begin the impeachment process. This is a democrat-controlled and manipulated secret investigation and spin banning any republicans in order to keep them from asking inconvenient questions of their carefully chosen Trump-hating witnesses.

Why do you lie like that? You linked to a report that said Republicans question witnesses in the investigation. I've quoted it several times and here you are, lying through your teeth.

 

[HumblePi]

Of course the magnanimous, fair, loving, considerate democrats transparent democrats only want the best for everyone, including republicans and the American people. They have clearly outlined the rights and privileges they extend to the republicans on these committee investigations:

Adam Schitt to republican members of the committee: 'You have the right to shut the hell up and remain silent or I will throw you the hell out of the room.'

Don't you understand even a teensie tiny bit why depositions are given in closed session? Just a little? You should read why, it's easy to understand the logic of doing interviews and taking legal deposition in secrecy.

Show me a link to the statement you just claimed Adam Schiff said, or it will be just one more of your bogus erroneous statements. Keep in mind HE RUNS THE INVESTIGATION and the investigation is following the same protocol used by prosecutors in criminal cases.

 

[marke]

I doubt he becomes more popular, more like his popularity remains unphased, despite all the ukraine bs impeachment inquiries and syria withdraw, trump has remained static with his approval rating, and is pretty much identical to where obama was at this point in the presidency, he seems unable to climb past 40-45% but he also seems like a brick wall in terms of attacks never straying too long below that number.

Ingrained historical bias, like devotion to a political party because family and friends have always been devoted to that particular party, likely accounts for as much as a 25% solid support for the democrat no matter who is running. Nonstop liberal propaganda likely accounts for as much as 15% of the opposition to the republican candidate, no matter who is running. That like accounts for historical levels of approval numbers for republican remaining at less than 60% no matter how good a leader he is.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

An impeachment is not about enforcing laws. That is actually not a power of Congress.
It's a politial act; a way for Congress to keep an executive or judicial official in check.
It's not designed to be a partisan effort.

If the Democrats believe Trump has abused his power, they should proudly declare it and show the world what they have and not hide in the shadows.

They did declare it. They are now investigating it. That will happen out of the public eye until it is determined that there is sufficient evidence to make thier case. Not sure what you think should be happening differently.

 

[HumblePi]

Adam Schitff news conference: 'We are doing everything in our power to get to the bottom of these very serious allegations of blatant treason. Due to fears of leaking we are closing our doors to the public and have put the evil republicans on notice that they will not be allowed to attend some of the most sensitive hearings due to fears they will illegally leak parts of the witness testimony to the press. Thank all you good people for your patience and support in this sad, sad time of national mourning and disgrace over what our illegitimate president has done to our good country.'

Highly professional manner.

 

[Grand Mal]

I heard republicans were not allowed to cross examine the carefully selected democrat witnesses and were not allowed to call witnesses of their own. I have also heard that Schitff and crew are the only ones allowed to secretly pour over the testimony from the witnesses and to paraphrase the testimony to make it look like they are right to charge Trump with whatever crime they finally decide to charge him with.

Oh well, if that's what you heard I guess It's settled.

 

[Grand Mal]

Adam Schitff news conference: 'We are doing everything in our power to get to the bottom of these very serious allegations of blatant treason. Due to fears of leaking we are closing our doors to the public and have put the evil republicans on notice that they will not be allowed to attend some of the most sensitive hearings due to fears they will illegally leak parts of the witness testimony to the press. Thank all you good people for your patience and support in this sad, sad time of national mourning and disgrace over what our illegitimate president has done to our good country.'

Right.
My fault. I engaged with you. Won't do that again.

 

[Athanasius68]

Don't you understand even a teensie tiny bit why depositions are given in closed session? Just a little? You should read why, it's easy to understand the logic of doing interviews and taking legal deposition in secrecy.

Show me a link to the statement you just claimed Adam Schiff said, or it will be just one more of your bogus erroneous statements. Keep in mind HE RUNS THE INVESTIGATION and the investigation is following the same protocol used by prosecutors in criminal cases.

This isn't a criminal investigation.
Such is beyond the authority of Congress. It is, perhaps, an abuse of power.

They are engaging in a political process. Hence, the political pushback.

 

[Athanasius68]

They did declare it. They are now investigating it. That will happen out of the public eye until it is determined that there is sufficient evidence to make thier case. Not sure what you think should be happening differently.

Needs to be open. It's a political process.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Needs to be open. It's a political process.

Every investigation of a sitting president has to be handled in political manner, since the law prevents the criminal investigation of a sitting president. How is that so hard to understand? The only way to get rid of a corrupt president is to impeach and remove him. That said, there is nothing in the Constitution that states that the investigation of the facts that will be used to do that need be done in the public eye.

 

[marke]

What impeachment proceedings are happening?
AFAIK, it's an inquiry.

Has there been a vote to begin an impeachment proceeding?
Can you post the link that the vote has taken place?

I know. The House has not yet voted to begin an impeachment. And yet the democrats are not right to conduct their investigation behind closed doors and without republican participation. Mueller assigned only hard core democrat supporters to investigate Trump in his failed effort to uncover some crime which the democrats could use to impeach Trump. That is how democrats conduct justice in the US. They sneak around in dark corners, spying on their political enemies, gathering false testimony and leaking that lying misinformation to corrupt democrat supporters in the press. They trash Barr and others who just try to go after crimes and criminals no matter which party affiliation they adhere to.

Democrats do not want conservatives talking to the press. They obstruct investigations into democrat crimes. They demonize good leaders for evil political purposes. They openly call for the random murder of innocent cops.
They advocate closing prisons and disbanding border control agencies, not just border control agents. They openly advocate violating federal laws and condemn patriotic Americans for enforcing federal laws.

The democrats have turned into the Alinsky party of the "God Damn America" communist rebels, intent on redesigning America to make it conform to international standards of the dreamed of atheistic one world government.

 

[Hypothetical]

There was a special prosecutor in the Clinton impeachment who gathered all the facts and they voted based on the report. In this case, there is no special prosecutor. Democrats are just investigating and questioning witnesses. This is the fact-gathering phase. Trump will have his chance to defend himself after that phase.

well they better stop the leaks and closed door BS then otherwise one is going to believe the "facts" they find, afterwards, in the bipartisan phase.

 

[marke]

What secret tribunal? For the love of God.....this is an investigation. They are usually done behind the scenes until the facts that are going to be presented are gathered. Do you call every police investigation that happens in your town a secret tribunal as well, or only because Donald Trump is the subject of this particular one?

You do realize that the discovery (not be be confused with the legal term in a criminal trial) portion of the Clinton impeachment didn't happen on TV either, right? All we saw was the trial that happened in the Senate, as it was an actual TRIAL. The only thing that we the public saw prior to that was the vote to impeach and send articles over to the Senate to be tried.

How strange the democrats are pushing for impeachment before an investigation is done to determine the legitimacy of whatever charges they intend to try to impeach him on, especially since the investigation into possible criminal activity is begun before any evidence of a crime is even presented in the first place. That would be like instigating an impeachment push on a president like Obama on the basis of rumors of crimes tht are only 3 days old.

 

[marke]

Got a link to that news conference, or are you just making **** up again?

Asking for a friend.

I have a link for Schitff's total lying misrepresentation of Trump's phone call and lies about secret meetings he had with the so-called whistleblower before the whistleblower had even thought about blowing any whistle.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

How strange the democrats are pushing for impeachment before an investigation is done to determine the legitimacy of whatever charges they intend to try to impeach him on, especially since the investigation into possible criminal activity is begun before any evidence of a crime is even presented in the first place. That would be like instigating an impeachment push on a president like Obama on the basis of rumors of crimes tht are only 3 days old.

Cart/Horse.

In order to have the investigation, wouldn't there have to be a reason for said investigation? Maybe, I don't know....an intent to impeach based on what is discovered?

Lets be 100% honest about this.....impeachment may be his best bet. If Pence is President, he can pardon the ole bossman for anything that comes up anyway. If he rides this out and loses the election, I'm not sure that orange on orange is gonna work well for him where he will be going.

 

[Athanasius68]

Every investigation of a sitting president has to be handled in political manner, since the law prevents the criminal investigation of a sitting president. How is that so hard to understand? The only way to get rid of a corrupt president is to impeach and remove him. That said, there is nothing in the Constitution that states that the investigation of the facts that will be used to do that need be done in the public eye.

The law doesn't prevent a criminal investigation of a sitting president.

Make the oversight public in an impeachment of a president.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

I have a link for Schitff's total lying misrepresentation of Trump's phone call and lies about secret meetings he had with the so-called whistleblower before the whistleblower had even thought about blowing any whistle.

Well that is complete bull**** and we both know it.

The whistleblower had obviously though about blowing the whistle when he or she went to the Intelligence committee and told them about what they knew and were then directed to take that information to the proper people.

For God's sake....do you even know the actual timeline of what happened? It doesn't appear that you do.

 

[dairyair]

I know. The House has not yet voted to begin an impeachment. And yet the democrats are not right to conduct their investigation behind closed doors and without republican participation. Mueller assigned only hard core democrat supporters to investigate Trump in his failed effort to uncover some crime which the democrats could use to impeach Trump. That is how democrats conduct justice in the US. They sneak around in dark corners, spying on their political enemies, gathering false testimony and leaking that lying misinformation to corrupt democrat supporters in the press. They trash Barr and others who just try to go after crimes and criminals no matter which party affiliation they adhere to.

Democrats do not want conservatives talking to the press. They obstruct investigations into democrat crimes. They demonize good leaders for evil political purposes. They openly call for the random murder of innocent cops.
They advocate closing prisons and disbanding border control agencies, not just border control agents. They openly advocate violating federal laws and condemn patriotic Americans for enforcing federal laws.

The democrats have turned into the Alinsky party of the "God Damn America" communist rebels, intent on redesigning America to make it conform to international standards of the dreamed of atheistic one world government.

So you are admitting the OP is false.
No impeachments proceeding taking place. Merely an inquiry. Where R reps are there and able to ask questions.

You just admitted, there is no investigation. So no behind closed doors is taking place.

Meuller had a full blow investigation.

What specifically are D's doing to stop conservatives from talking to the press?

I see, and basically you admit, the OP is false. Dead thread.

 

[Athanasius68]

Cart/Horse.

In order to have the investigation, wouldn't there have to be a reason for said investigation? Maybe, I don't know....an intent to impeach based on what is discovered?

Lets be 100% honest about this.....impeachment may be his best bet. If Pence is President, he can pardon the ole bossman for anything that comes up anyway. If he rides this out and loses the election, I'm not sure that orange on orange is gonna work well for him where he will be going.

Do you really think #46 (if not Pence) would prosecute Trump?
Not likely.

 

[HumblePi]

This isn't a criminal investigation.
Such is beyond the authority of Congress. It is, perhaps, an abuse of power.

They are engaging in a political process. Hence, the political pushback.

No, it is NOT "beyond the authority of Congress" Not only is this the right of Congress as clearly stated in the U.S. Constitution, it is explicitly the obligation of Congress. The Supreme Court has given the Congress subpoena power to do exactly as they're doing.

Constitutional provisions:

The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

— Article I, Section 2, Clause 5

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

—Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7

 

[marke]

I have a link for Schitff's total lying misrepresentation of Trump's phone call and lies about secret meetings he had with the so-called whistleblower before the whistleblower had even thought about blowing any whistle.

Just like democrats met with Dr. Ford weeks before Dr. Ford came forward whimpering like a little girl about still being devastated 30 years later over dim recollections of the alleged rapes. Due to the devastation she was still enduring little miss Ford was inspired after all these years to come forward to accuse the alleged rapist without any corroborating testimony from even her friends she said supposedly knew about it.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

The law doesn't prevent a criminal investigation of a sitting president.

Make the oversight public in an impeachment of a president.

It does, however, prevent any action being taken from that investigation. The DOJ has expressed on multiple occasions that a sitting president cannot be indicted because it would (or at least could, we don't know because its never been tried) prevent the Executive from performing its Constitutionally given duties.

 

[Athanasius68]

So you are admitting the OP is false.
No impeachments proceeding taking place. Merely an inquiry. Where R reps are there and able to ask questions.

You just admitted, there is no investigation. So no behind closed doors is taking place.

Meuller had a full blow investigation.

What specifically are D's doing to stop conservatives from talking to the press?

I see, and basically you admit, the OP is false. Dead thread.

The GOP can't talk to the press without risking an ethics investigation from the Dems. The Dems have so invoked thus rules.

 

[Athanasius68]

It does, however, prevent any action being taken from that investigation. The DOJ has expressed on multiple occasions that a sitting president cannot be indicted because it would (or at least could, we don't know because its never been tried) prevent the Executive from performing its Constitutionally given duties.

Yes. Congress can impeach as a solution.