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New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft accused of soliciting sex, police say

Bucky said:
The Patriots do not commit crimes, we win championships.
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Woah now buddy... you are just a fan... not a part of the organization. Otherwise you would be a criminal. Thankfully you are not.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Woah now buddy... you are just a fan... not a part of the organization. Otherwise you would be a criminal. Thankfully you are not.
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You're giving him way too much credit.
 
Mongidig said:
Lets spend our tax dollars on rounding up a bunch of guy's just getting their pee pee's massaged and ignore the criminals coming in from the southern border.
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We will do that, as soon as the right stops claiming the moral high ground and their constant concern about sex trafficking while patronizing the dang places. Who cares? Legalize prostitution for god's sake and put an end to all this bullcrap. But no, men make the laws and god forbid they let a woman use her assets if she chooses.
 
bongsaway said:
We will do that, as soon as the right stops claiming the moral high ground and their constant concern about sex trafficking while patronizing the dang places. Who cares? Legalize prostitution for god's sake and put an end to all this bullcrap. But no, men make the laws and god forbid they let a woman use her assets if she chooses.
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I'm all for legalizing prostitution.
 
bongsaway said:
I honestly don't see what the big thing is other than one group trying to impose their morals on everyone.
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It's not even that. It's one group who received a large amount of money from the government and now they need to produce results. The government gave them the money to show they are doing something about human trafficking. It's just a political show. Now if they would go where the trafficking actually is they may actually get some results.
 
ERMERGERD!

Yes, trafficking sucks, get those guys.

Going after an old man for pursuing services that I don't agree with the laws against in the first place? Who cares? Leave Mr. Craft alone! (If anyone can take out Bellicheat though I am FINE with that.)
 
Kobie said:
I can’t believe Bob kraft going to some rub and tug joint is a big deal. Who cares.
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The "big deal" is this is human trafficking and forcing women into prostitution. This op-ed was in the NY Times the other day: ‘The Monsters Are the Men’: Inside a Thriving Sex Trafficking Trade in Florida

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The women were not just employees: They were living in the day spa, sleeping on massage tables and cooking meals on hot plates in the back. Some of them had had their passports confiscated.
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“I don’t believe they were told they were going to work in massage parlors seven days a week, having unprotected sex with up to 1,000 men a year,” said Sheriff William D. Snyder of Martin County, whose office opened the investigation. “We saw them eating on hot plates in the back. There were no washing machines. They were sleeping on the massage tables.”
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Now, if women want to sell themselves for money in a consensual manner, that's different.
 
Mongidig said:
It's not even that. It's one group who received a large amount of money from the government and now they need to produce results. The government gave them the money to show they are doing something about human trafficking. It's just a political show. Now if they would go where the trafficking actually is they may actually get some results.
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The government is our elected officials not some unknown force we can't grasp. Just came from vero beach, real close to jupiter where some of this stuff took place. There are hundreds of people involved. I would say they went where some of the 'action' is and caught themselves some big fish in the process. Jupiter and vero are wealthy communities, the crap is going to hit the fan when folks find out who all was involved. There are going to be some pissed off wives seeking revenge.
 
MTAtech said:
The "big deal" is this is human trafficking and forcing women into prostitution. This op-ed was in the NY Times the other day: ‘The Monsters Are the Men’: Inside a Thriving Sex Trafficking Trade in Florida

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Now, if women want to sell themselves for money in a consensual manner, that's different.
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This place was sloppy for sure. If they were victims of sex trafficking that is bad. I suspect most massage parlors have women who are voluntarily working there. I'm sure there will be a large amount of folks who will try to demonize the whole industry.
 
bongsaway said:
The government is our elected officials not some unknown force we can't grasp. Just came from vero beach, real close to jupiter where some of this stuff took place. There are hundreds of people involved. I would say they went where some of the 'action' is and caught themselves some big fish in the process. Jupiter and vero are wealthy communities, the crap is going to hit the fan when folks find out who all was involved. There are going to be some pissed off wives seeking revenge.
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I doubt it was just luck that caught them these big fish.
 
markjs said:
ERMERGERD!

Yes, trafficking sucks, get those guys.

Going after an old man for pursuing services that I don't agree with the laws against in the first place? Who cares? Leave Mr. Craft alone! (If anyone can take out Bellicheat though I am FINE with that.)
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They were all like 77+........Oh! and part of the 1%....I get it now!
 
Mongidig said:
They were all like 77+........Oh! and part of the 1%....I get it now!
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NO, I just don't think prostitution should be illegal. It should be legal and regulated like any business, particularly ones that involve health risks.
 
markjs said:
NO, I just don't think prostitution should be illegal. It should be legal and regulated like any business, particularly ones that involve health risks.
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I agree with this.

But I still despise Kraft and the Pats, so jail this ****ing scumbag.

Make an example of him then change the law.
 
Obscurity said:
I agree with this.

But I still despise Kraft and the Pats, so jail this ****ing scumbag.

Make an example of him then change the law.
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Naw, I dislike the team, but I've nothing against the owner really. I disagree with the law, but it's the law and so he has to pay his fines, like anyone, that's fine. I just don't see the outrage here concerning his actions. The owners of the "massage parlor" are another matter entirely. Nail those people to the wall. Now that said I am not one for incarcertion of non violent offenders, I think there are better ways, but trafficking is a violent offense, and I have no pity for those folks (though I am not one who hopes for their victimization within the system). Crime and "punishment" should be rehabilitation oriented with any offenders that are likely to see freedom again IMO.
 
markjs said:
Naw, I dislike the team, but I've nothing against the owner really. I disagree with the law, but it's the law and so he has to pay his fines, like anyone, that's fine. I just don't see the outrage here concerning his actions. The owners of the "massage parlor" are another matter entirely. Nail those people to the wall. Now that said I am not one for incarcertion of non violent offenders, I think there are better ways, but trafficking is a violent offense, and I have no pity for those folks (though I am not one who hopes for their victimization within the system). Crime and "punishment" should be rehabilitation oriented with any offenders that are likely to see freedom again IMO.
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No. Kraft is a billionaire owner of the greatest sports franchize in history. He needs his balls nailed to the wall. America needs to see that those with power and money and influence are held accountable.

I tire of the inordinate amount of disparity in our legal system. **** the rich oligarch scum and their malignant affluenza.
 
Obscurity said:
I agree with this.

But I still despise Kraft and the Pats, so jail this ****ing scumbag.

Make an example of him then change the law.
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Legalize all adult prostitution

"Critics of decriminalizing prostitution often point to increased reports of trafficking in countries that have legalized prostitution, such as Germany. It is, however, quite possible that’s because people finally started seeing trafficking and began reporting it in greater numbers. Beyond that, a Harvard Study on the topic noted that, “The likely negative consequences of legalized prostitution on a country’s inflows of human trafficking might be seen to support those who argue in favor of banning prostitution, thereby reducing the flows of trafficking…However, such a line of argumentation overlooks potential benefits that the legalization of prostitution might have on those employed in the industry.”

Countries like New Zealand, which have decriminalized all acts of prostitution, seem to have better luck in terms of the wellbeing of sex workers, perhaps because their focus was on creating legislation that “safeguards the human rights of sex workers and protects them from exploitation.”


Why Prostitution Should Be Legal - Decriminalizing Sex Work Will Make Women Safer



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Obscurity said:
No. Kraft is a billionaire owner of the greatest sports franchize in history. He needs his balls nailed to the wall. America needs to see that those with power and money and influence are held accountable.

I tire of the inordinate amount of disparity in our legal system. **** the rich oligarch scum and their malignant affluenza.
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Held accountable for going to a rub n tug? Come on man! He likes girls so what!
 
Mongidig said:
Held accountable for going to a rub n tug? Come on man! He likes girls so what!
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He is an image of all that is wrong with this nation. A rich ne'er do well elitist shill frequenting a massage parlor for a handjob.

I hope he goes to jail for it.
 
Obscurity said:
He is an image of all that is wrong with this nation. A rich ne'er do well elitist shill frequenting a massage parlor for a handjob.

I hope he goes to jail for it.
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I know you think you're helping the cause, but you're not. Logic over emotions. Don't lower yourself to this level.
 
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