New congressional resolution introduced to remove Lee statue from Antietam

[apdst]

Did you know that people are capable of remembering things without statues? Its true, its true!

Calling Lee a gentleman is laughable. In his invasions of US territory, he allowed his men to kidnap and sell US citizens for profit. Hardly the actions of a "gentleman".

That's not true...lol.

And you call yourself an historian??

Maryland was a slave state, too btw.

 

[apdst]

We also need to change the name of Washington and Lee university, Ft. Lee, 8 counties, 46 schools and who knows how many roads.

Yale has to go, as well, since Yale was a slave trader.

 

[apdst]

Statues are not the only was[sic] to document history.



No. Why are you wrong so often?

In that venue, they're one of the ways to create a visual perspective of the battlefield.

 

[Redress]

That's not true...lol.

And you call yourself an historian??

Maryland was a slave state, too btw.

Confederates' 'slave hunt' in North a military disgrace | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I do not call myself a historian, only some one interested in history. Why do you fail so often?

 

[apdst]

Confederates' 'slave hunt' in North a military disgrace | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I do not call myself a historian, only some one interested in history. Why do you fail so often?

Slaves weren't United States citizens and Maryland was a slave state. That's what you got wrong.

 

[Redress]

Slaves weren't United States citizens and Maryland was a slave state. That's what you got wrong.

OK, I know this is going to be complex for you, but do try and keep up. Many blacks in Maryland where freed, ie not slaves. Nor did I mention in any way, shape nor form, Maryland. I was referring no to Antietam, but responding to a post about Lee being a "gentleman". Pennsylvania was not a slave state, it was a state that Lee's men raided for slaves to sell into slavery. That to me makes Lee not a gentleman, one of many examples of why.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The stupidity deepens. :lamo

New congressional resolution introduced to remove Lee statue from Antietam | Instant | heraldmailmedia.com

Stupid begins in your mirror.

The previous owner of the land should have been required to take the statue when the property was sold. Now the government has to deal with disposing if it.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

This is the erasure of history. It's Taliban'esque.

Idiotic statement ^^.

The statue was erected in 2003 by the previous owner. In no way is it an erasure if history.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Thank you for your opinion.

I prefer to believe those books that describe the general as a true Southern gentleman.

I wish that our country had more men like him today instead of the many uncultured individuals that we meet at school, at work, and in public.

Well, we do have a bigot in the White House, so your wish is partly granted.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Exactly. Glorifying traitors to King and Country, like George Washington and the 52 who signed the declaration of independence, is unacceptable.

Are you English? I don't think the English have many Statues of OUR Founding Fathers in England or anywhere; I've never seen one in Canada.

 

[apdst]

OK, I know this is going to be complex for you, but do try and keep up. Many blacks in Maryland where[sic] freed, ie not slaves. Nor did I mention in any way, shape nor form, Maryland. I was referring no to Antietam, but responding to a post about Lee being a "gentleman". Pennsylvania was not a slave state, it was a state that Lee's men raided for slaves to sell into slavery. That to me makes Lee not a gentleman, one of many examples of why.

True, but they weren't United States citizens.

The Confederate army didn't invade Pennsylvania until 1863. We're discussing an event in 1862.

General Lee also supported enlisting freedmen into the army. But, I know you don't want that little detail mentioned. The Confederate army was the first desegregated army in North America.

As the Confederate army abandoned Richmond on April 3, 1865, apparently these Black Confederate soldiers went along with General Custis Lee's wagon train on its journey. They would move unmolested until they reached the area of Painesville on April 5 where they were attacked by General Henry Davies' cavalry troopers. A Confederate officer, who rode upon this situation as it was transpiring, recalled: "Several engineer officers were superintending the construction of a line of rude breastworks...Ten or twelve negroes were engaged in the task of pulling down a rail fence; as many more occupied in carrying the rails, one at a time, and several were busy throwing up the dirt...The [Blacks] thus employed all wore good gray uniforms and I was informed that they belonged to the only company of colored troops in the Confederate service, having been enlisted by Major Turner in Richmond. Their muskets were stacked, and it was evident that they regarded their present employment in no very favorable light."

Black Soldiers on the Appomattox Campaign - Appomattox Court House National Historical Park (U.S. National Park Service)

On April 10th, as Confederate prisoners were being marched from Sailor's Creek and elsewhere to City Point (present day Hopewell) and eventually off to Northern prison camps, a Union chaplain observed the column. This incident along the retreat to Painesville, seems to be the only documented episode of "official" Black troops serving the Confederacy in Virginia as armed an unit under fire.

Black Confederates surrendering with their units at Appomattox were treated as prisoners of war.

When Lee surrendered his army at Appomattox, thirty-six African-Americans were listed on the Confederate paroles. Most were either servants, free blacks, musicians, cooks, teamsters or blacksmiths. Few Black southerners served as combat troops in the Confederate Army, many served on other capacities.


Blacks paroled at Appomattox Court House include thirty-nine slaves and free blacks

Eighteenth Georgia Battalion enlisted for the War: Joe Parkman Co. A; Henry Williams Co. B, George Waddell Co. A; Louis Gardeen Co. C-- all musicians.

James Polk Co. B, William Read Co. C; Scipio Africanus Co. B; John Lery Co. A, Quartermaster Department-- all cooks

Gary's Calvary Brigade: James Barabsha; Guard Bob (slave of David Bridges); Thomas Bowen, teamster; Burress Bowen, teamster; Jim (slave of T.M. Dettrick),teamster; John Bowen, teamster; Jack Caldwell, teamster; Solomon Wright, blacksmith

Donaldson Artillery, Company B: H. Blum, cook; Jno. Mamply, servant; L. Leport, servant; Jno. Semple, servant

Detached Naval Brigade privates attached to Naval Brigade: Charles Cleoper, Joseph Johnson, James Hicks

 

[apdst]

Are you English? I don't think the English have many Statues of OUR Founding Fathers in England or anywhere; I've never seen one in Canada.

There is a statue of George Washington in Trafalgar Square, in London.

Statues of 6 American Presidents in London - Guide London

Benjamin Franklin's pre-revolution home in London is preserved and is a museum.

Benjamin Franklin House - Wikipedia

 

[apdst]

Idiotic statement ^^.

The statue was erected in 2003 by the previous owner. In no way is it an erasure if history.

Link?

 

[KAG2020]

The stupidity deepens. :lamo

New congressional resolution introduced to remove Lee statue from Antietam | Instant | heraldmailmedia.com

Democrats don't know how to do anything constructive. They just know how to destroy, be it statues, babies, or the economy.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Link?

It was in your link. You’d be better informed (and maybe not start this stupid thread in the first place) if you read your own references before posting. :lamo

“The 24-foot statue of the Confederate general was erected on private land in 2003. The U.S. Park Service acquired the land two years later and incorporated it as part the battlefield.”

 

[apdst]

It was in your link. You’d be better informed (and maybe not start this stupid thread in the first place) if you read your own references before posting. :lamo

“The 24-foot statue of the Confederate general was erected on private land in 2003. The U.S. Park Service acquired the land two years later and incorporated it as part the battlefield.”

Irrelevant?

 

[apdst]

Democrats don't know how to do anything constructive. They just know how to destroy, be it statues, babies, or the economy.

This whole Confederate statue thing is about revenge and nothing else.

 

[Irwin Corey]

There is a statue of George Washington in Trafalgar Square, in London.

Statues of 6 American Presidents in London - Guide London

Benjamin Franklin's pre-revolution home in London is preserved and is a museum.

Benjamin Franklin House - Wikipedia

Thanks for the edification, BUT my point is:

Originally Posted by maxparrish
Exactly. Glorifying traitors to King and Country, like George Washington and the 52 who signed the declaration of independence, is unacceptable.

That here IN the USA Glorifying the Founding Fathers isn't quite the same as it would be elsewhere and not only IS it ACCEPTABLE, it should be encouraged. (counter point to Max's post)

But IF the Statue had be a long standing Federal Government monument you may have had a point. Not so much for something a private citizen erected in 2003; I don't see the "history" in that. Funny that you should want to edify REL but denigrated General McCaffery. -sad

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Irrelevant?

The best you can do after being schooled on your own reference, that completely undermines the entire point of this idiotic thread is “Irrelevant?”?

Dude, you’re a mess.

 

[apdst]

Thanks for the edification, BUT my point is:



That here IN the USA Glorifying the Founding Fathers isn't quite the same as it would be elsewhere and not only IS it ACCEPTABLE, it should be encouraged. (counter point to Max's post)

You don't see the Brits wetting themselves over a statue of George Washington. Do you?

But IF the Statue had be a long standing Federal Government monument you may have had a point. Not so much for something a private citizen erected in 2003; I don't see the "history" in that. Funny that you should want to edify REL but denigrated General McCaffery. -sad

It's been on Federal land for 14 years. It wasn't a problem, until the past couple of years.

 

[apdst]

The best you can do after being schooled on your own reference, that completely undermines the entire point of this idiotic thread is “Irrelevant?”?

Dude, you’re a mess.

There's the name calling. :lamo

 

[Irwin Corey]

You don't see the Brits wetting themselves over a statue of George Washington. Do you?

I don't see the Brits wetting themselves over much of anything but Brexit these days.

It's been on Federal land for 14 years. It wasn't a problem, until the past couple of years.

But it's not something put up right after the war. Personally I don't care one way or another, but in the current climate (and no, it's NOT all liberal driven) I don't see the issue with taking it down; we have evolved and it is disrespectful to blacks to have traitors to the Union honored.

 

[apdst]

I don't see the Brits wetting themselves over much of anything but Brexit these days.



But it's not something put up right after the war. Personally I don't care one way or another, but in the current climate (and no, it's NOT all liberal driven) I don't see the issue with taking it down; we have evolved and it is disrespectful to blacks to have traitors to the Union honored.

The issue is, there's no stopping point.

How is it disrespectful to black folks?

 

[yankintx]

Especially statues of Obama.

Fail, and off topic

 

[Irwin Corey]

The issue is, there's no stopping point.

How is it disrespectful to black folks?

That's probably not true, that was the argument for Viet Nam, apparently it was the stopping point.

I think honoring Civil War traitors, in the mind of people of color, is honoring slavery; they have a point.