Nevada's powerful Culinary Union declines to endorse a 2020 candidate

[Chomsky]

(CNN)The Culinary Union, Nevada's largest labor union and political organizing force, will not endorse a candidate ahead of the February 22 Democratic caucuses there, the union's leaders announced Thursday -- just days after it criticized Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders over his health care plan.

"We respect every single political candidate right now. We know they are great people," said Geoconda Argüello-Kline, the union's secretary and treasurer.

She said the union will "really work hard" to defeat President Donald Trump in 2020.

Source: (CNN) Nevada's powerful Culinary Union declines to endorse a 2020 candidate

My opinion:

"Do we need further proof that 'Medicare for All' is not desired by the vast majority of Americans?"

 

[Surrealistik]

Source: (CNN) Nevada's powerful Culinary Union declines to endorse a 2020 candidate

My opinion:

"Do we need further proof that 'Medicare for All' is not desired by the vast majority of Americans?"

I don't see how this in any way serves as compelling evidence of this conclusion you clearly want to prove.

 

[Rexedgar]

Source: (CNN) Nevada's powerful Culinary Union declines to endorse a 2020 candidate

My opinion:

"Do we need further proof that 'Medicare for All' is not desired by the vast majority of Americans?"

I just returned from a scheduled, routine visit with my GP. He says the Culinary Union didn’t negotiate great pay, but they did negotiate an outstanding healthcare plan for members. Whatever Bernie is offering would be a significant downgrade to their existing coverage.

My doc also has a sibling as a judge in SDNY, he says “keep the faith!”

 

[Chomsky]

I don't see how this in any way serves as compelling evidence of this conclusion you clearly want to prove.

Yeah, maybe. But if I were to bet - I'd say,

"After witnessing Biden's failure, they rebuked the front-runner Bernie (who would most ideally reflect their ideology) due to his support of MFA."

 

[Chomsky]

I just returned from a scheduled, routine visit with my GP. He says the Culinary Union didn’t negotiate great pay, but they did negotiate an outstanding healthcare plan for members. Whatever Bernie is offering would be a significant downgrade to their existing coverage.

My doc also has a sibling as a judge in SDNY, he says “keep the faith!”

Gee, your doc is pretty connected & involved! :thumbs:

 

[swing_voter]

Gee, your doc is pretty connected & involved! :thumbs:

Most of the people who are in the union have health insurance via their employment, especially since Obamacare passed.

 

[Surrealistik]

Yeah, maybe. But if I were to bet - I'd say,

"After witnessing Biden's failure, they rebuked the front-runner Bernie (who would most ideally reflect their ideology) due to his support of MFA."

I mean it does clear to me that a good chunk of the leadership of this specific union doesn't seem too enthused about MFA, but not much else.

 

[VanceMack]

Pretty clearly, they dont want Biden, who they would have initially supported. But they also definitely dont want Bernie. But they cant support Warren who is just Bernie. and Clearly they cant support Biden who is a loser. And they cant support Buttiegieg because he doesnt even have a pulse in Las Vegas and they dont want to throw their support behind a loser BUT throwing their support behind Bloomberg just became really risky after the last few days. And...oh yeah...they cant support Bernie. And they DEFINITELY dont want Biden.........

Starting to look a little bit like a dialogue from Vizzini.

 

[Mr Person]

Yeah, maybe. But if I were to bet - I'd say,

"After witnessing Biden's failure, they rebuked the front-runner Bernie (who would most ideally reflect their ideology) due to his support of MFA."

swish

 

[Chomsky]

I mean it does clear to me that a good chunk of the leadership of this specific union doesn't seem too enthused about MFA, but not much else.

Let's not forget their demo is the very demo that should be embracing Bernie. In fact, they were fully behind him in 2016. It also appears her tenacious insistence to stick with MFA started 'Liz Warren's slide, too.

The last polls I saw showed a scant majority of Americans support single payer as a public option, but only a minority support being forced into a mandatory single-payer system. I personally think forced MFA is a terrible idea. But a public option (via Medicare/Medicaid eligibility expansion) is a great idea. Allow people to have choices, including the choice of public single-payer.

 

[HumblePi]

Source: (CNN) Nevada's powerful Culinary Union declines to endorse a 2020 candidate

My opinion:

"Do we need further proof that 'Medicare for All' is not desired by the vast majority of Americans?"

I mentioned this last night in another thread. There's 60k casino workers in that union. They have the absolute Cadillac of health care plans. They're pushing hard to get the message out that Sanders would take that away from them.

This is a snapshot of what the country's single most important thing they're concerned with, their health insurance. Once Trump states messing with Medicaid and Medicare, he's done for good.

 

[Surrealistik]

Let's not forget their demo is the very demo that should be embracing Bernie. In fact, they were fully behind him in 2016. It also appears her tenacious insistence to stick with MFA started 'Liz Warren's slide, too.

The last polls I saw showed a scant majority of Americans support single payer as a public option, but only a minority support being forced into a mandatory single-payer system. I personally think forced MFA is a terrible idea. But a public option (via Medicare/Medicaid eligibility expansion) is a great idea. Allow people to have choices, including the choice of public single-payer.

This is the best aggregator I've seen thus far; majority support seems rather durable:

Tracking Public Opinion on National Health Plan: Interactive | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

As to Nevada, I'm far more concerned with the overall vote where Sanders looks to be doing well as Biden falls off, than a single union leadership.

Ultimately this fear that 'good' health plans will be supplanted by 'worse' public ones is essentially without merit. I have no doubt that MFA will be both more comprehensive and cheaper after taxes than whatever the Culinary Union has managed to negotiate for its workers.

 

[Nap]

Source: (CNN) Nevada's powerful Culinary Union declines to endorse a 2020 candidate

My opinion:

"Do we need further proof that 'Medicare for All' is not desired by the vast majority of Americans?"

I have been saying this since the people first started talking about M4A, it is detrimental to the working class. It shouldn't be suprising that unions that fought for great healthcare coverage are going to balk at the idea of having to give that up.

 

[Nap]

This is the best aggregator I've seen thus far; majority support seems rather durable:

Tracking Public Opinion on National Health Plan: Interactive | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

As to Nevada, I'm far more concerned with the overall vote where Sanders looks to be doing well as Biden falls off, than a single union leadership.

Ultimately this fear that 'good' health plans will be supplanted by 'worse' public ones is essentially without merit. I have no doubt that MFA will be both more comprehensive and cheaper after taxes than whatever the Culinary Union has managed to negotiate for its workers.

It will be cheaper for their employer, however for those workers it will cost them significantly more through taxation. This is the ultimate hurdle M4A will have to overcome and that is the fact that more than half the country recieved their healthcare through employment. If Democrats push M4A without considerations to this, it will be political suicide for them. The ACA cost Democrats over 1k seats nationwide, the blowback from this would be substantially worse.

 

[MrPeanut]

I have been saying this since the people first started talking about M4A, it is detrimental to the working class. It shouldn't be suprising that unions that fought for great healthcare coverage are going to balk at the idea of having to give that up.

I don't agree that it would detrimental to the working class, but I don't find it surprising that union leadership would be very suspicious of it. It will be interesting to find out how the members feel about Bernie.

 

[Surrealistik]

It will be cheaper for their employer, however for those workers it will cost them significantly more through taxation. This is the ultimate hurdle M4A will have to overcome and that is the fact that more than half the country recieved their healthcare through employment. If Democrats push M4A without considerations to this, it will be political suicide for them. The ACA cost Democrats over 1k seats nationwide, the blowback from this would be substantially worse.

Incorrect, given that health care benefits are part and parcel with total compensation, not even getting into whatever copays, deductibles and partial premiums they pay. What you say only holds true if there is literally no transition from healthcare benefits to cash pay increases when compensation packages are reformed to account for M4A, which would be basically inconceivable; doubly so for people in any union worth half a ****.

 

[Nap]

I don't agree that it would detrimental to the working class, but I don't find it surprising that union leadership would be very suspicious of it. It will be interesting to find out how the members feel about Bernie.

Do you believe that working class people can eat essentially a 2 to 3k tax increase (for a single person, I imagine it will be worse for family coverage)?

 

[Nap]

Incorrect, given that health care benefits are part and parcel with total compensation, not even getting into whatever copays, deductibles and partial premiums they pay. What you say only holds true if there is literally no transition from healthcare benefits to pay increases, which would be basically inconceivable; doubly so for people in any union worth half a ****.

Ah, didn't realize you were a follower of trickle down economics

 

[MrPeanut]

Do you believe that working class people can eat essentially a 2 to 3k tax increase (for a single person, I imagine it will be worse for family coverage)?

So this is the claim: The Medicare for All Act will provide comprehensive health care to every man, woman and child in our country -- without out-of-pocket expenses. No more insurance premiums, deductibles or co-payments. Further, this bill improves Medicare coverage to include dental, hearing and vision care.

$250 a month for that seems like a pretty good deal to me. Everyone has different healthcare needs though so I'm sure some people would lose out.

 

[Surrealistik]

Ah, didn't realize you were a follower of trickle down economics

Legally, and factually health benefits are part of your overall compensation package; the idea that an employer is just going to be able to unilaterally slash compensation by four to five figures without any kind of compensation is pretty silly. Further, such reallocation should be addressed and enforced in any final implementation of MFA.

 

[Nap]

So this is the claim: The Medicare for All Act will provide comprehensive health care to every man, woman and child in our country -- without out-of-pocket expenses. No more insurance premiums, deductibles or co-payments. Further, this bill improves Medicare coverage to include dental, hearing and vision care.

$250 a month for that seems like a pretty good deal to me. Everyone has different healthcare needs though so I'm sure some people would lose out.

I essentially have that now other than no copays for less than 1k annually (when you include vision, dental, LT and ST disability coverage which were optional) and this is a non union job, I always heard union jobs had significantly better.

I know not everyone has the same quality of healthcare I recieve, but I imagine there are enough at that level to cripple the Democratic party for a generation if they aren't able to match the quality and cost of the healthcare they currently recieve. Seems like an incredibly risky gamble, especially after the blowback they recieved after the ACA which if not for Trump they would still be reeling.

 

[Nap]

Legally, and factually health benefits are part of your overall compensation package; the idea that an employer is just going to be able to unilaterally slash compensation by four to five figures without any kind of compensation is pretty silly. Further, such reallocation should be addressed and enforced in any final implementation of MFA.

We will see, my money is on this screwing the DNC for over a generation if it passes because I doubt they are going to be able to match the quality and cost for what the average worker recieves right now.

 

[Greenbeard]

Source: (CNN) Nevada's powerful Culinary Union declines to endorse a 2020 candidate

My opinion:

"Do we need further proof that 'Medicare for All' is not desired by the vast majority of Americans?"

Given what we’ve seen in Congress in 2009/10, Vermont in 2014, Colorado in 2016, California in 2017, a variety of Dem primaries in 2018, and the ongoing presidential primary season right now, it should be pretty clear just from the events of the last decade (to say nothing of the past half century) that the politics of single-payer aren’t a slam dunk. Not even close.

 

[Linc]

Let's not forget their demo is the very demo that should be embracing Bernie. In fact, they were fully behind him in 2016. It also appears her tenacious insistence to stick with MFA started 'Liz Warren's slide, too.

The last polls I saw showed a scant majority of Americans support single payer as a public option, but only a minority support being forced into a mandatory single-payer system. I personally think forced MFA is a terrible idea. But a public option (via Medicare/Medicaid eligibility expansion) is a great idea. Allow people to have choices, including the choice of public single-payer.

Who knew health care could be so hard? Who thinks we can get 60 Senate votes for mfa. Who thinks Democrats are stupid enough to listen to their regressive leftists and nuke the legislative filibuster.

Warren will still be a player after March Madness, when 65.4% of the delegates will be divided amongst anywhere from five to who knows how many candidates? She will have a huge influence on a brokered convention.

 

[Linc]

Let's not forget their demo is the very demo that should be embracing Bernie. In fact, they were fully behind him in 2016. It also appears her tenacious insistence to stick with MFA started 'Liz Warren's slide, too.

The last polls I saw showed a scant majority of Americans support single payer as a public option, but only a minority support being forced into a mandatory single-payer system. I personally think forced MFA is a terrible idea. But a public option (via Medicare/Medicaid eligibility expansion) is a great idea. Allow people to have choices, including the choice of public single-payer.

Union and nonunion members who’ve bargained for great health care at the expense of better salaries will vote for trump, especially in the Midwest, if mfa is in the Democratic platform. Guaranteed. Dems are heading for the worst drubbing they’ve taken since 1984 if Sanders is the nominee.

Once again, I’ll direct you to see how Sen. Sherrod Brown would tackle health care. When he wasn’t so naive and stupid to endorse mfa last February, leftist regressives pulled their support from him. He stopped exploring the presidency soon after.