Networks of 7,000 universities declare climate emergency

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nationalizing the physical layer of infrastructure could be more necessary and more proper. multi use infrastructure can reduce costs.

Do you really think the Government will do a better job?

 

[ataraxia]

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It is not a question of useful, but legal, the interstate highway system is publicly owned, the Railroad is not usually.

The cars and trucks driven on the interstate are privately owned. Not sure why the trains couldn't be.

 

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Do you really think the Government will do a better job?

With this logic, you should advocate a private interstate highway system.

 

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The cars and trucks driven on the interstate are privately owned. Not sure why the trains couldn't be.

The railroad track and land are private property, the interstate is not.

 

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With this logic, you should advocate a private interstate highway system.

the point is that the interstate is owned by the Government, but the railroad is still private property.

 

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the point is that the interstate is owned by the Government, but the railroad is still private property.

Yes, and personally, I believe that an effective High-Speed Rail system needs to be federally funded, like the Interstate Highway system. I think they should actually use some existing highways, and convert them to High-Speed rail track, because a lot of the infrstructure is already there - overpasses, bridges, etc. This will result in more automobile congestion, which will encourage travellers to use the rail system.

 

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Yes, and personally, I believe that an effective High-Speed Rail system needs to be federally funded, like the Interstate Highway system. I think they should actually use some existing highways, and convert them to High-Speed rail track, because a lot of the infrstructure is already there - overpasses, bridges, etc. This will result in more automobile congestion, which will encourage travellers to use the rail system.

I think they have been looking at the cost/benefit of high speed rail and been coming up wanting.
Private developers are looking to do it now, but without governments heavy hand, cannot force people to sell them land.

 

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I think they have been looking at the cost/benefit of high speed rail and been coming up wanting.
Private developers are looking to do it now, but without governments heavy hand, cannot force people to sell them land.

My Uncle sold land for the I-55 Interstate Highway. He didn't want to sell. He was forced to sell, and only received the average market rate. Similar progress, with the Federal government at the lead, can occur, if there is a will.

 

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My Uncle sold land for the I-55 Interstate Highway. He didn't want to sell. He was forced to sell, and only received the average market rate. Similar progress, with the Federal government at the lead, can occur, if there is a will.

The Government can force someone to sell land, the private railroad company cannot.
Governments are cautious about using Eminent domain laws for private enterprises.

 

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Do you really think the Government will do a better job?

sure; especially when it is really really serious.

 

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sure; especially when it is really really serious.

What is really really serious?

 

[danielpalos]

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What is really really serious?

whatever we cannot trust the private sector to do better.

 

[ataraxia]

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The railroad track and land are private property, the interstate is not.

So what would be wrong with a publicly sponsored electric bullet train rail infrastructure? The Japanese have it. The Europeans have it. The Chinese are working on it.

Our neurotic paranoia of communism keeps us from being able to do it. Pretty dysfunctional.

 

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So what would be wrong with a publicly sponsored electric bullet train rail infrastructure? The Japanese have it. The Europeans have it. The Chinese are working on it.

Our neurotic paranoia of communism keeps us from being able to do it. Pretty dysfunctional.

There is nothing wrong with a publicly sponsored bullet train, but it cannot use the existing rail lines without the owners permission.

 

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Network with more than 7 000 universities and colleges from six continents have declared a climate emergency and also commited to adress the climate crisis.

Networks of 7,000 universities declare climate emergency

740 jurisdictions and local governments with 136 million citizens have also declared a climate emergency.

Climate emergency declarations in 740 jurisdictions and local governments cover 136 million citizens - Climate Emergency Declaration

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[danielpalos]

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There is nothing wrong with a publicly sponsored bullet train, but it cannot use the existing rail lines without the owners permission.

The physical layer should be a public sector responsibility.

 

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The physical layer should be a public sector responsibility.

The public sector, cannot do improvements on private property,without very careful precautions, such a system would be very open for abuse.

 

[danielpalos]

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The public sector, cannot do improvements on private property,without very careful precautions, such a system would be very open for abuse.

eminent domain could solve that problem.

why not go underground, instead?

 

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eminent domain could solve that problem.

why not go underground, instead?

Easier words than the actual process!
If the Government takes the railroad's land, do they also assume their liability?
All those union railroad pension contracts, the contracted delivery services, ect, ect?

underground does not change property laws.

 

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Easier words than the actual process!
If the Government takes the railroad's land, do they also assume their liability?
All those union railroad pension contracts, the contracted delivery services, ect, ect?

underground does not change property laws.

The public sector has underground rights, to my understanding.

It is happening for our highway system. It can happen for our railway systems.

 

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The public sector has underground rights, to my understanding.

It is happening for our highway system. It can happen for our railway systems.

Underground is very expensive, and likely would still involve getting the property owners permission.

 

[danielpalos]

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Underground is very expensive, and likely would still involve getting the property owners permission.

we could focus on improving technologies to make it less expensive.

 

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we could focus on improving technologies to make it less expensive.

To what end? Trains are a good solution, in some areas, but not in all areas.
Trains have a good short range advantage over airlines, bit not a long range.
Here is an example, about a decade ago, I was in Madrid, and needed to get to Paris.
I could choose ether the bullet train or an airline.
The flight was about $50 and would take about 2 hours, the train was $175 and would take almost 10 hours.
In Madrid, both the train station and the airport are on the subway, but in Paris the train station location saves about 45 minuets.
So 2:45 hours vs about 10 hours, but at a higher cost.
on a shorter trip, say Rome to Florence, the train wins hands down.
Rome to Venice, is likely right on the edge.

 

[danielpalos]

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To what end? Trains are a good solution, in some areas, but not in all areas.
Trains have a good short range advantage over airlines, bit not a long range.
Here is an example, about a decade ago, I was in Madrid, and needed to get to Paris.
I could choose ether the bullet train or an airline.
The flight was about $50 and would take about 2 hours, the train was $175 and would take almost 10 hours.
In Madrid, both the train station and the airport are on the subway, but in Paris the train station location saves about 45 minuets.
So 2:45 hours vs about 10 hours, but at a higher cost.
on a shorter trip, say Rome to Florence, the train wins hands down.
Rome to Venice, is likely right on the edge.

let's say we discover hydrogen or fusion cell technologies and use fusion or hydrogen powered tunnel boring machines. Maglev in vacuum environments can be cost competitive with slower forms of transportation.

 

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let's say we discover hydrogen or fusion cell technologies and use fusion or hydrogen powered tunnel boring machines. Maglev in vacuum environments can be cost competitive with slower forms of transportation.

If we have unlimited power, we can make carbon neutral aircraft fuels, and need only use trains for short distances.