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Psst ... it was a joke
It's not always obvious! I've no visual cues, audio cues, not even a elbow poke to the ribs (nudge, nudge, wink wink).
Psst ... it was a joke
It's not always obvious! I've no visual cues, audio cues, not even a elbow poke to the ribs (nudge, nudge, wink wink).
Bad argument. Regardless of whether or not the bibles are in the room, people have access to a bible.
Although FOX is stupid I've noticed this "Freedom from Religion" group poppiing up everywhere now.
Who are these assholes? Religion was never inherently evil, only a few of its followers were (because every atheist is a saint...)
So what? If the Gideons are banned from placing the Bible in the rooms, the guests don't have the convenience of the Gideon Bible in their room without having to go ask for one. Probably the huge majority of people using the room never open the Bible that is there, but for the few who might be inclined to do so, they could be quite grateful that it is there to pick up and read as the spirit moves them. And whether somebody cares whether the Bible is there or doesn't notice it is there or never is motivated to pick it up and read it, what possible harm is it to anybody for that Bible to be in the drawer?
So? It shouldn't matter if they are or are not there. As with any religion or really anything that you wish to read, you should bring your own. Just because people are used to something doesn't mean they have a right to it.
The Gideons are permitted to leave their tree-murdering propaganda in an act of breathtaking patronising condescension. They presume that their message is needed if not wanted, where it is not. In this case, their activity is by default endorsed by the government.
If people have need of such a pubilcation they can bring it with them.
just because you don't like the bible doesn't mean you get to deny other people from using it. the government didn't buy it. it was donated free of charge etc...
it does no harm to you as you don't believe in God and no one is forcing you to read it.
what is even more concerning is if you are not even allowed to stay there if you are not a military person then it has 0 effect on you.
All of that is well and good, and I'm always glad when a person picks up a bible and accepts Christ. But the argument that I responded to was talking about access. One has access to a bible whether or not there is one left in the room that they are staying at.
I wonder how NP would react to the Navy placing a Koran in all of its quarters.
This is true but that is immaterial to the argument. I have no idea how many people might have picked up a Gideon Bible and accepted Christ, but that was not made into any kind of issue by the Gideons or anybody else. For well over a hundred years now, the Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotel and motel rooms and similar locations--they are closing in on two billion of them in fact. They ask nothing and expect nothing of those who accept the Bibles and usually have no clue whether anybody ever even opens one much less reads it. They don't make a fuss if somebody rejects their offer of the Bibles.
None of us know when somebody in despair in the middle of the night might turn to the scriptures for comfort or encouragement. There have been stories of people who have found just the right encouraging hand written note somebody placed in a Gideon Bible or somebody found a $20 bill or $100 bill somebody has placed there probably with a prayer that somebody who needed it would find it. It wouldn't be the same if folks had to go to the front desk--if it is even open in the middle of the night--and ask for a Bible. The Gideon Bibles are more than a century-old tradition and, in my opinion, one of the small but good things about America that blesses us. It would be wrong to ban the Bibles from being placed in the rooms. They harm nobody and likely help many.
All of which doesn't further your argument of people having or not having access to a bible.
If the room was inhabited by Islamists I would not have a problem with it my left wing friend.
I would just as I would have a problem with the Navy placing Bibles in all the rooms. I don't want my tax payer dollars going for either scenario. But the Navy is NOT placing Bibles anywhere. They simply allowed the Gideons to donate Bibles to be placed in the Navy Lodge rooms and for the life of me I can't see how anybody would have a problem with that.
So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.
But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.
People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.
So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.
Much easier to just place the donated Bibles in the rooms and forget them. But you think that would somehow promote religion more than would be giving the registering guests instructions of how to get use of a Bible if he/she wanted one? Think about that and see how utterly silly your argument is.
Leave it to FOX News to take a story out of context, and tell a lie for political purposes. But that's FOX News, where you have to take their stories with a shaker of salt.
The Navy never banned Bibles. They only stopped putting them in the quarters of Navy personnel. Personnel were still allowed to have Bibles. So all that's happened is that the Navy is putting Bibles in their quarters again.
Sheesh!!
You have no idea what her beliefs are. Additionally she's USN
So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.
But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.
People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.
So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.
Okay. If I accept a Christmas or birthday present I provided it. It was my doing and not the person who bought, wrapped, and presented the gift. Gotcha. Geez, do you really believe that? Do you honestly think having the hotel or lodge inform guests that a Bible is available if they want one is not promotion of religion while placing a Gideon Bible in a drawer is?
just because you don't like the bible doesn't mean you get to deny other people from using it. the government didn't buy it. it was donated free of charge etc...
it does no harm to you as you don't believe in God and no one is forcing you to read it.
what is even more concerning is if you are not even allowed to stay there if you are not a military person then it has 0 effect on you.