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Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

Yeah, fair trials are way over-rated.

I'm sure the case against Stone is so solid that another jury without that woman's influence will also convict.....

OK, you ignored my comment and responded with sarcastic bull****. Nice job. :applaud
 

I'm surprised Turley is commenting from obvious ignorance.

What is missing is a transcript or record from the voir dire and what was asked and any objections made in the court. Under Rule 24, the government has six peremptory challenges and the defendant or defendants jointly have ten peremptory challenges for crimes punishable by imprisonment of more than one year.

That record is here. Roger Stone jury selection transcript, Nov. 5, 2019 | Courtroom | Judge
 
In a jury trial the entire jury has to find you guilty in order for the verdict to hold. If even one jury member refuses to convict you end up with a hung jury. In a country this polarized you will inevitably end up with at least one or two people on a jury who don't like the president and one or two that really do. Whether there were two people on the jury that hated Trump or not is irrelevant. The full jury would have had to convict. If everyone else thought he was innocent and 2 people refused to find him innocent it would have been a mistrial not a guilty verdict.

Barr is right to focus attention on the problem of unfairness due to bias in today's judicial system.
 

Are there jurors who have stated Tomeka Hart conducted herself in a partisan manner during the trial?

Turley is a very smart guy who has never prosecuted or defended anyone in the court of law. Reality and the classroom are way different and you have to be desperate to want to use him as your sole reasons for Stone to have a new trial.
 
Barr is right to focus attention on the problem of unfairness due to bias in today's judicial system.

Barr has done a good job representing exactly what you claimed he is focusing on. He is a Trump yes man.
 
It is typical for any defendant, particularly one with as weak a defense case as Stone had, to make multiple, spurious (even scurrilous) motions for a new trial. They are as typically denied on that basis. (See Order, linked here) Flynn's attempts are equally spurious. Judges tend to get progressively frustrated by the efforts, and Berman Jackson suffers fools poorly. But she's extremely careful (judicious, even) in her rulings. She's unlikely to be reversed.
 
It is typical for any defendant, particularly one with as weak a defense case as Stone had, to make multiple, spurious (even scurrilous) motions for a new trial. They are as typically denied on that basis. (See Order, linked here) Flynn's attempts are equally spurious. Judges tend to get progressively frustrated by the efforts, and Berman Jackson suffers fools poorly. But she's extremely careful (judicious, even) in her rulings. She's unlikely to be reversed.

Stone, Trump and the others are always the victim.
 
If one reads Turley's OP-Eds carefully, the flaws in his argument become obvious. The holes are huge and fatal. He acknowledges, "I obviously come to these questions from the perspective of a criminal defense attorney." Yes, quite obviously. And he hedges, twice, by ignoring the available record. "What is missing is a transcript or record from the voir dire and what was asked and any objections made in the court." No, it's not, as we've already discussed it here. And, "(assuming that the objection was preserved by the defense)". As the transcript demonstrates, it was not. So, Turley's unsurprising arguments fail. The jurors views were well known and her record discoverable. I expect that Stone's next objection will be "ineffective assistance of counsel". (I also expect that will be the topic of a new thread.) That, too, will fail.
 
Barr has done a good job representing exactly what you claimed he is focusing on. He is a Trump yes man.

Is Barr corrupt? Was Comey corrupt? Different people have different opinions for different reasons. One thing about Comey which is not true about Barr, however, is the fact that Comey is clearly a liar and a leaker and is still in danger of being indicted as a result of Durham's probe.
 
If one reads Turley's OP-Eds carefully, the flaws in his argument become obvious. The holes are huge and fatal. He acknowledges, "I obviously come to these questions from the perspective of a criminal defense attorney." Yes, quite obviously. And he hedges, twice, by ignoring the available record. "What is missing is a transcript or record from the voir dire and what was asked and any objections made in the court." No, it's not, as we've already discussed it here. And, "(assuming that the objection was preserved by the defense)". As the transcript demonstrates, it was not. So, Turley's unsurprising arguments fail. The jurors views were well known and her record discoverable. I expect that Stone's next objection will be "ineffective assistance of counsel". (I also expect that will be the topic of a new thread.) That, too, will fail.

Exactly, and he's a lawyer so the argument for/against a new trial hinge directly on facts he acknowledges he's too lazy to discover.

He also mentions ONE tweet involving Stone and it's about his arrest, but the Tweet had a point made here. Use of force doesn't matter when it's a poor person getting shot and killed, and the Tweet lists several, omitted by Turley so he robs the comment of that important context, but a white rich man gets peacefully arrested and we all hit the fainting couch because there were lots of people at the arrest. That's NOT an indication of bias against Stone, but a comment on what matters in society, and rich people matter, poor don't. Yesterday there might have been 100 or 1,000 SWAT team arrests where they blow in the doors, etc. but no one cares, no one NOTICES, because the accused aren't rich.
 
Is Barr corrupt? Was Comey corrupt? Different people have different opinions for different reasons. One thing about Comey which is not true about Barr, however, is the fact that Comey is clearly a liar and a leaker and is still in danger of being indicted as a result of Durham's probe.

Comey is in zero danger of being indicted, there are no facts to back your Comey accusations. As for Barr being corrupt, history will be the judge.
 
Comey is in zero danger of being indicted, there are no facts to back your Comey accusations. As for Barr being corrupt, history will be the judge.

You think Comey should not be indicted but Barr should? What crimes are you familiar with or not aware of to back up your assertions?
 
You think Comey should not be indicted but Barr should? What crimes are you familiar with or not aware of to back up your assertions?

I have no if Barr is corrupt and that is why i said history will be the judge. Understand.
 
Are there jurors who have stated Tomeka Hart conducted herself in a partisan manner during the trial?

Turley is a very smart guy who has never prosecuted or defended anyone in the court of law. Reality and the classroom are way different and you have to be desperate to want to use him as your sole reasons for Stone to have a new trial.

I doubt any jurors have made such statements.

Who do you think is more qualified than Turley regarding the thread topic?

If you were in Stone's shoes would you be advocating for a new trial?
 
I doubt any jurors have made such statements.

Who do you think is more qualified than Turley regarding the thread topic?

If you were in Stone's shoes would you be advocating for a new trial?

If you read Turley’s op-ed it stated jurors statements are needed.

Stone is an absolute embarrassment and few are as dumb as him.
 
Who do you think is more qualified than Turley regarding the thread topic?
Almost anyone.

If you were in Stone's shoes would you be advocating for a new trial?
Of course, and I know that I would lose, but one has to use every angle on behalf of one's client, especially one as guilty as Stone. Seriously, it's not as if this were a "close case". Most of the posers ahem, posters, here haven't a clue what the legal standards are. Napolitano certainly knows better, but his Fox ratings were down.
 
If you read Turley’s op-ed it stated jurors statements are needed.

Stone is an absolute embarrassment and few are as dumb as him.

Thank you for acknowledging you say "rubbish" to the notion of "innocent until proved guilty".
 
Thank you for acknowledging you say "rubbish" to the notion of "innocent until proved guilty".

Stone was found guilty on 7 counts. He had his trial and now the rightwing fringe wants to pretend it should be voided by some random internet sleuths.
 
Stone was found guilty on 7 counts. He had his trial and now the rightwing fringe wants to pretend it should be voided by some random internet sleuths.

Juries are not perfect because they are composed of humans. Most juries today are merely rubber stamps for the prosecutors. With the foreperson's qualifications--a lawyer with strong feelings against Trump and Stone--this was likely a case of it being a rubber stamp.

I know the rule of law is pretty much dead in this country anymore, but it does seem the woman was ready to convict before she even heard the case.

If the government case is so solid, why do they fear another trial?
 
Juries are not perfect because they are composed of humans. Most juries today are merely rubber stamps for the prosecutors. With the foreperson's qualifications--a lawyer with strong feelings against Trump and Stone--this was likely a case of it being a rubber stamp.

I know the rule of law is pretty much dead in this country anymore, but it does seem the woman was ready to convict before she even heard the case.

If the government case is so solid, why do they fear another trial?
How about the expense? Justice was done. Let's see how the sentence shakes out.
 
Thank you for acknowledging you say "rubbish" to the notion of "innocent until proved guilty".
Except. of course, he was proven guilty. I suppose that is an important detail.

Moreover, I will note here that, unlike McCabe, a Grand Jury found sufficient evidence to hand up an indictment, and the judge found sufficient evidence to allow the case to proceed. We shouldn't ignore the other steps that brought us to this juncture.
 
Juries are not perfect because they are composed of humans. Most juries today are merely rubber stamps for the prosecutors. With the foreperson's qualifications--a lawyer with strong feelings against Trump and Stone--this was likely a case of it being a rubber stamp.

I know the rule of law is pretty much dead in this country anymore, but it does seem the woman was ready to convict before she even heard the case.

If the government case is so solid, why do they fear another trial?

Where are the other jurors? Surely if they were bullied into a guilty verdict they would have made their complaints known by now.
 
Where are the other jurors? Surely if they were bullied into a guilty verdict they would have made their complaints known by now.

I suppose if you learned that a Klansman had been the foreman on a jury that found a black man guilty of a crime you would think nothing of that either, right?
 
I suppose if you learned that a Klansman had been the foreman on a jury that found a black man guilty of a crime you would think nothing of that either, right?

If that was the case here Trump wouldn’t have cared.
 
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