Nancy Caves

[lwf]

Nancy caved. She gave up her nonsense, liberal agenda filled proposal and said she'll help to pass the Senate's legislation.

Did you even read the articles?

Yes, and that nonsense, liberal agenda filled proposal reads like leverage in a negotiation to me.

 

[Bullseye]

You don’t have a tv?

I saw a lot of whining and gnashing of teeth from the Dems, bull**** as usual. Bottom line IF there's anything there the Dem negotiators accepted it and probably got something in return.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Did Nancy cave or did Mitch?

We may soon see.

 

[Bullseye]

Not really. Only the mindless GOP minions will think so.

Reality and you are not co-located, are you? :lamo

 

[Bullseye]

Nancy caves: Mycroft laughs; Nancy doesn’t cave: Pelosi bad

Yeah, and you guys are always such gracious and magnanimous winners. :no:

 

[Mycroft]

Potato-head-in-chief. What is your source for no help for Boeing? Smoke signals?

Where's your video?

I didn't say there is no help for Boeing. Seriously...haven't you actually read what I said?

 

[Linc]

Yes, and that nonsense, liberal agenda filled proposal reads like leverage in a negotiation to me.

This thread shows which partisan hacks are politicizing the virus, and which hackish partisans don’t care about the health of America.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It is called bipartisanship.

It's called one must read that massive borrow and spend bill very carefully (once it has passed, just to try to figure out what was in it). If the House is going to pass it by "unanimous consent" without ever reading it then you can bet it's full of pork.

 

[Linc]

Other than the fact that we could have had positive news a few days ago were it not for Pancy and her cult.

We could have had a Senate bill on Thursday 3/12 but cocaine mitch went home for four days of fund-raising.

 

[Puigb]

Wait and see. Heard plenty of people pissed the DNC was holding up THEIR money that already SHOULD HAVE been there by now.

DNC held it up for legitimate reasons. Only the GOP partisans will see it otherwise.

 

[Bullseye]

It is called bipartisanship.

From what I've seen of Pelosi that word isn't in her vocabulary. She just realizes being seen as the holdup to get aid to the people isn't a good image six months before an election. Not the hill she wants to die on.

 

[SLC]

Sorry Trumper, but Trump and his filthy GOP millionaires would help Boeing and other big corporations before they'd give you bird feed to chew on.

You do realize Boeing employs tens of thousands and is responsible for a large piece of the US export and economy. Boeing can't pay employees if they don't stay in business. This isn't AOC lala land its the real world.

 

[Acadia]

DNC held it up for legitimate reasons. Only the GOP partisans will see it otherwise.

I don't think all those without paychecks right now will consider shoe-horning in $35M for the Kennedy Center a legit reason.
Or ballot harvesting.
Or airline regulations.
Or any socialist pork

 

[Acadia]

From what I've seen of Pelosi that word isn't in her vocabulary. She just realizes being seen as the holdup to get aid to the people isn't a good image six months before an election. Not the hill she wants to die on.

Pelosi sees that the media are losing their war on Trump during this coronavirus crisis, and his approval rating for handling it, along with his general approval rating (Gallup) are increasing. Nancy isn't about doing what's right. She's about polls.

 

[MSgt]

In the meantime, the Senate and WH are very close to finishing negotiations on a Senate bill.



Sorry Trump haters and liberals, I know this must chap your ass...but really, this is best for the American people.

?!

Why would this chap a liberal's ass? This stuff is supposed to be something that chaps a conservative's ass. The first thing Trump did when he pulled his 180 was tap into Pelosi & Co. for a social assistance package. Then the GOP supplied their typical bailout program for corporations. That's when the issue of who was going to get what aid came into conflict. Democrats will have to bend towards the GOP's determination to write checks to their campaign financiers and the GOP will have to bend towards the Democrat's determination to send tax-money back to actual tax-payers.

In the end, it's you people who are all of a sudden all about socialism and bailouts and trying to call it a partisan win.

House Democrats Vs. Senate Republicans:

Bigger cash payments to Americans: Democrats want to further plump the direct payments. Unlike the latest plan from Senate Republicans, however, higher earners would have to pay back part or all of the assistance...

More help to hospitals: Receive about $150 billion, while hospitals would get an additional $80 billion in low-interest loans. The proposal is more in line with industry requests, compared to the $75 billion Senate Republicans have offered.

Expanding unemployment, paid sick leave: The unemployed would get an extra $600 per week on top of state or federal benefits in order to replace 100 percent of lost wages. The measure would also extend paid sick leave benefits to cover individuals, such as health care workers and first responders, who were cut out of Congress’ second coronavirus response.

Emergency funding for federal agencies: House Democrats proposing hundreds of billions more than the $242 billion Senate Republicans have pitched. The White House, tailored request for $46 billion.

‘Green’ rules for airlines: If airlines are going to get billions of dollars in loans under the bill, Democrats say they need to cut their carbon emissions...

Tax plans from different planets: House Democrats omitting the payroll tax suspension included in the Senate GOP bill.

Saving the Postal Service: House Democrats included $25 billion in emergency funding to keep mail service going...

Laying on the lobbying restrictions: The House bill goes much further than the Senate measure when it comes to limiting executive pay and stock buybacks, as well as imposing lobbying restrictions.

Business tax relief: House did not include provisions allowing faster write-offs for restaurant and retail business investments or bigger deductions for business interest, both of which are in the Senate bill.

Aid for airlines: House package total of $61 billion in aid. Senate Republicans have proposed $58 billion in loans and guarantees, plus a holiday from paying fuel tax.

Extra aid for small businesses: Democrats are pitching $500 billion in grants and interest-free loans to small businesses, including $300 billion in forgivable loans to cover short-term payroll costs. That compares to $300 billion in loans for small businesses in the Senate bill.

Flush with food assistance: The bill includes an extra $450 million boost to food banks, as well as whatever funds are “necessary” to account for more people in need of food stamps. Senate Republicans had proposed about $15.6 billion in food stamp assistance.

Keeping utilities on: Besides spending $1.5 billion to help low-income households pay water bills, the House legislation would ban utility providers from cutting off service during the crisis.

Doubling up on education cash: Democrats are calling for $60 billion in emergency assistance to go out for education initiatives, about three times the amount the Senate bill contains.

 

[MSgt]

?!

Why would this chap a liberal's ass? This stuff is supposed to be something that chaps a conservative's ass. The first thing Trump did when he pulled his 180 was tap into Pelosi & Co. for a social assistance package. Then the GOP supplied their typical bailout program for corporations. That's when the issue of who was going to get what aid came into conflict. Democrats will have to bend towards the GOP's determination to write checks to their campaign financiers and the GOP will have to bend towards the Democrat's determination to send tax-money back to actual tax-payers.

In the end, it's you people who are all of a sudden all about socialism and bailouts and trying to call it a partisan win.

House Democrats Vs. Senate Republicans:

Bigger cash payments to Americans: Democrats want to further plump the direct payments. Unlike the latest plan from Senate Republicans, however, higher earners would have to pay back part or all of the assistance...

More help to hospitals: Receive about $150 billion, while hospitals would get an additional $80 billion in low-interest loans. The proposal is more in line with industry requests, compared to the $75 billion Senate Republicans have offered.

Expanding unemployment, paid sick leave: The unemployed would get an extra $600 per week on top of state or federal benefits in order to replace 100 percent of lost wages. The measure would also extend paid sick leave benefits to cover individuals, such as health care workers and first responders, who were cut out of Congress’ second coronavirus response.

Emergency funding for federal agencies: House Democrats proposing hundreds of billions more than the $242 billion Senate Republicans have pitched. The White House, tailored request for $46 billion.

‘Green’ rules for airlines: If airlines are going to get billions of dollars in loans under the bill, Democrats say they need to cut their carbon emissions...

Tax plans from different planets: House Democrats omitting the payroll tax suspension included in the Senate GOP bill.

Saving the Postal Service: House Democrats included $25 billion in emergency funding to keep mail service going...

Laying on the lobbying restrictions: The House bill goes much further than the Senate measure when it comes to limiting executive pay and stock buybacks, as well as imposing lobbying restrictions.

Business tax relief: House did not include provisions allowing faster write-offs for restaurant and retail business investments or bigger deductions for business interest, both of which are in the Senate bill.

Aid for airlines: House package total of $61 billion in aid. Senate Republicans have proposed $58 billion in loans and guarantees, plus a holiday from paying fuel tax.

Extra aid for small businesses: Democrats are pitching $500 billion in grants and interest-free loans to small businesses, including $300 billion in forgivable loans to cover short-term payroll costs. That compares to $300 billion in loans for small businesses in the Senate bill.

Flush with food assistance: The bill includes an extra $450 million boost to food banks, as well as whatever funds are “necessary” to account for more people in need of food stamps. Senate Republicans had proposed about $15.6 billion in food stamp assistance.

Keeping utilities on: Besides spending $1.5 billion to help low-income households pay water bills, the House legislation would ban utility providers from cutting off service during the crisis.

Doubling up on education cash: Democrats are calling for $60 billion in emergency assistance to go out for education initiatives, about three times the amount the Senate bill contains.

You can clearly see Democrats trying to push tax-dollars back to the population, whereas the GOP is pushing more tax-cuts with an agenda to kick off corporate bail-out season. The only thing that jumped out at first was the Democrats push for "green rules" for airlines. But this is a matter of a condition for receiving tax-dollars.

 

[Middleground]

Nancy caved. She gave up her nonsense, liberal agenda filled proposal and said she'll help to pass the Senate's legislation.

Did you even read the articles?

So companies will have the option to buy back stock and give their executives big fat bonuses? Bet you and Donald are thrilled about that.

 

[Puigb]

I don't think all those without paychecks right now will consider shoe-horning in $35M for the Kennedy Center a legit reason.
Or ballot harvesting.
Or airline regulations.
Or any socialist pork

I think MSgt summed it up nicely.

 

[Puigb]

Pelosi sees that the media are losing their war on Trump during this coronavirus crisis, and his approval rating for handling it, along with his general approval rating (Gallup) are increasing. Nancy isn't about doing what's right. She's about polls.

So now you people trust Gallup now? Like a week ago it was fake news, right?

 

[Mycroft]

?!

Why would this chap a liberal's ass? This stuff is supposed to be something that chaps a conservative's ass.

The first thing Trump did when he pulled his 180 was tap into Pelosi & Co. for a social assistance package. Then the GOP supplied their typical bailout program for corporations. That's when the issue of who was going to get what aid came into conflict. Democrats will have to bend towards the GOP's determination to write checks to their campaign financiers and the GOP will have to bend towards the Democrat's determination to send tax-money back to actual tax-payers.

In the end, it's you people who are all of a sudden all about socialism and bailouts and trying to call it a partisan win.

House Democrats Vs. Senate Republicans:

~snipped your list to save space~

I don't think you quite got the point.

It's not "the stuff" that chaps the liberal's ass, it's Nancy GIVING UP on the stuff.

I think you left a slew of stuff off your list, like $15 minimum wage, USPS debt forgiveness, election rules and a whole lot more that has absolutely nothing to do with economic aid.

It's that liberal agenda stuff...and the blowback for putting it into her bill...that forced her to cave.

 

[Mycroft]

So companies will have the option to buy back stock and give their executives big fat bonuses? Bet you and Donald are thrilled about that.

I don't know...have you seen the Senate bill? I haven't.

 

[Excon]

Sorry Trumper, but Trump and his filthy GOP millionaires would help Boeing and other big corporations before they'd give you bird feed to chew on.

As usual, you have no clue as to what you speak.

DNC held it up for legitimate reasons. Only the GOP partisans will see it otherwise.

Wrong. As usual.

In the end, it's you people who are all of a sudden all about socialism and bailouts and trying to call it a partisan win.

You are clearly confused.
This is not about socialism and bailouts but about assistance needed by all people and businesses during this time.

 

[Hamish Howl]

So companies will have the option to buy back stock and give their executives big fat bonuses? Bet you and Donald are thrilled about that.

It's like you know us.

 

[Hamish Howl]

This is not about socialism and bailouts but about assistance needed by all people and businesses during this time.

So it is in fact about socialism and bailouts.

 

[eohrnberger]

So companies will have the option to buy back stock and give their executives big fat bonuses? Bet you and Donald are thrilled about that.

I don't know...have you seen the Senate bill? I haven't.

This may surprise you, but I agree with you in that I also don't think this bill should fund or support corporation's to buy back their stock.

This would be an opinion that we apparently share with:

www.rollcall.com › 2020/03/20 › trump-endorses-stock-buyback-rest...
2 days ago - The president said he doesn't want companies using bailout money to buy back shares and ... President Donald Trump said Friday he supports restricting companies from using bailout money to repurchase their own stock, ...

President Trump Joins Democrats in Calls to Block Share ...
www.wsj.com › articles › president-trump-joins-democrats-in-calls-to-bl...
16 hours ago - “I am strongly recommending a buyback exclusion,” Mr. Trump said at the daily ... or uses spare cash to purchase its own stock, reducing the number of shares ... “If you're a company that doesn't have valuable internal investment ... He said buybacks were a major support for stocks in the latter years of the ...​

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Well who would have predicted this? Odd times makes for odd bedfellows, as the saying goes.