N.Y. Senate passes bills on Trump's tax returns and pardon power

[RealityNow]

People know Trump is guilty, its more about "hail the white man"... ( one who is a life long criminal, thief and lying belligerent bully stomping meglomaniac) because these are the same people... who could not fathom the previous President was black, but they are too chickenshet low life to admit it. All they see is an idea they can push the "white nationalist wealthy white male dominance, and many of the working poor and poor and well to do white men who back and support this madness... want to cling to the delusions and fictions of white male dominance. That is OBVIOUS to the average thinking person, who has Respect for America, Respect for American Governance and a Respect for the Equality of Multi-Ethnic Society.
The Vile and Nasty History of America is what these types who back this Trump and Republican mess... is driven to support, with a pretense of calling themselves conservatives, with a vain hope they can recreate the malice filled past.

These Right Wing, Fictional Conservative's who only want to try and conserve "white nationalism of wealthy white male domiance, still run around with the ignorance of thinking America belongs to white people.

America will prosper when these types die out and the rest will simply make themselves continue to run backwards, chasing a vile past, based on their delusion of superiority, which continues to show them as making themselves inferior and then whining about it, trying to blame others. Its been a cycle for centuries and decades and here they are still too ingrained with such ignorance, they damage the future for themselves and their offspring's.

The same women, minorities and immigrants they try and oppress, is the same women, minorities and immigrants who continue to get training, and promote themselves through their learning, their respect for society, and their hard works in making better the lives of themselves and others. These White Nationalist supporters are the same delusional and vain types, that think they can fleece the nations based on being white, support illegality in the governance, and back the belligerence of those who fight against the system of governance, and back a fool who is sitting in the seat of the Presidency, Their own madness and insanity will continue to have them crying and whining "We've been left behind"... Too... DUMB... to know the only one that beat them down is the same wealthy white nationalist they lust behind.
"That's Called: INSANITY"....

History has shown over and over that "these types" will "damage" ANYTHING... in pursuit of that stupidity, with a vain hope the wealthy white man will give them something for free, for having white skin. That is a delusional fiction they have been chasing for 100's of years and for 100's of years the wealthy white man has continually shown these imbeciles, that he is not and will not give them "anything"!!!!! and will take from them "everything", while making them stupid enough to fight against themselves. You just can't fix that kind of vain imbecile stupidity and willful ignorance.

It's long past time the factions of congress stand up and call it out, "Expose IT", because not only do the "thinking minds of American already know these truths, the global community is now without a doubt, fully aware of these Right Wing, Confederate, Bigots, and Race Bias Mad Types of People".... The world has no more time for their "ignorance" and "vile'.

their kids run around shooting up other kids in schools, they kill of the whole family, when they can't live like a TV Commercial, and they cry "depressed" when they can live like a "Sitcom script"... and when they can't shop and loose themselves in material matter, they become anguished at the entire society. We've seen them contort Religion for Centuries, with delusions of Superiority, and they have make a mockery of the very words and principles that the Bible Teaches, to burning churches, attacking other places of worships and displaying racist vile across the nation. Now, they Attack American Governance Systems.... This is what is know in simple terms as "SAVAGES" !!!

(A savage is some who does not care about the Consequences of his or her actions. Usually the savage will do things that make other people say, "What the f---"!!! : lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings, They chase the remake of trying to make the world submit to their lust of belonging to a primitive society)

Civilized Society will prevail... Gods Truths are for "all time"!

 

[apdst]

So much for conservatives, who used to say they believed in the 10th Amendment, ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.")

What in the Constitution prohibits a State from sharing state tax information with Congress, if the state sanctions it? You objection not only lacks merit, it is laughable.

They creating a law to target one person...lol.

States aren't excluded from the 4th and 14th Amendments.

 

[tres borrachos]

How is this oversight? And what criminal behavior will be exposed by seeing tax returns?

Because it's the job of Congress to investigate and legislate. And their oversight is intended to ensure that there are no issues in the Executive Branch. Just because you wouldn't care if Trump is vulnerable to the risk of blackmail or may have committed a crime doesn't mean everyone else in the country doesn't care.

 

[Conservative]

N.Y. Senate passes bills on Trump's tax returns and pardon power


Since N.Y. taxes are similar to federal taxes, this is an end run around Trump’s obstruction to stop or delay releasing his taxes to Congress.

Wonder if the NY Senate will find Obama's transcripts during their investigations? Obviously the economy is so good that Trump's tax returns are now of so much interest to you. Wonder where this curiosity was with Obama and his background as a Community Agitator?

 

[Conservative]

Because it's the job of Congress to investigate and legislate. And their oversight is intended to ensure that there are no issues in the Executive Branch. Just because you wouldn't care if Trump is vulnerable to the risk of blackmail or may have committed a crime doesn't mean everyone else in the country doesn't care.

It is obvious to me that Trump is being blackmailed by Russia as the actual results show. Russia definitely benefits from a stronger NATO, stronger U.S. economy, and stronger U.S. Military. I guess blackmail works!!

It is interesting how easy it is to divert from results and buy the liberal narrative regarding Trump. Apparently according to the left Russia put Trump in office therefore wonder if the American people should be thanking them for the 5 million jobs he has created in 2 years, the stronger 3.2% GDP growth, and wage increases for the American worker along with a reduction in the U-6 rate well below pre recession levels

 

[MTAtech]

Wonder if the NY Senate will find Obama's transcripts during their investigations? Obviously the economy is so good that Trump's tax returns are now of so much interest to you. Wonder where this curiosity was with Obama and his background as a Community Agitator?

Wonder if you will catch any fish? You sure are baiting enough.

 

[ocean515]

Yeah, it's all about NYS being mean to Swampy and nothing to do with uncovering decades of criminal behavior. Your side -- and I do mean "side," because Trump apologists are indeed tribal, drives you to defend someone from oversight, who has been skimming and cheating all his life?

What criminal behavior would be reported in a tax return? The man has been reported to have been audited multiple times.


So, does your tribe actually know what a tax return is?

 

[MTAtech]

They creating a law to target one person...lol.

States aren't excluded from the 4th and 14th Amendments.

What are you talking about? It's a law that applies to everyone in New York State that files taxes.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Because it's the job of Congress to investigate and legislate. And their oversight is intended to ensure that there are no issues in the Executive Branch. Just because you wouldn't care if Trump is vulnerable to the risk of blackmail or may have committed a crime doesn't mean everyone else in the country doesn't care.

No, it is the job of the Justice department to investigate and adjudicate pursuant to the legislation passed into law and approved by the Office of the President. Subsequent to conviction of a crime by the Justice dept. then congress must decide whether or not to impeach, remove a sitting president from office, but they are not the ones to determine guilt, only the qualification for remaining in office subsequent to a criminal conviction.

 

[Conservative]

Wonder if you will catch any fish? You sure are baiting enough.

Looks like the economic results have caught a lot of fish, 56% Trump approval rating on the economy. Guess with the national results being so good that switches the narrative to the Trump tax returns in the state of NY which certainly have been audited by not only the state but the IRS none of which matters as the left wants the issue not the logic and common sense that destroys that issue

 

[tres borrachos]

No, it is the job of the Justice department to investigate and adjudicate pursuant to the legislation passed into law and approved by the Office of the President. Subsequent to conviction of a crime by the Justice dept. then congress must decide whether or not to impeach, remove a sitting president from office, but they are not the ones to determine guilt, only the qualification for remaining in office subsequent to a criminal conviction.

I didn't mention the word "impeach" in my post. So I have no idea why you quoted me and talked impeachment. I'm talking about Congressional oversight which absolutely includes the investigation of the Executive Branch.

 

[Fishking]

On what grounds? The Supremes don't mess with the states. They only do Federal stuff. So tell me, O Great Constitutional Scholar, what part of the constitution does this violate? These are about New York taxes and New York is a sovereign state. Aren't you supposed to be all about states rights? Staunch conservative that you are. Unless of course it inconveniences your your boy, Trump.

The right for a person to be secure in his papers and effects. Any other easy questions?

 

[Fishking]

They're for state's rights if Trump orders them to be for state's rights, and they're against state's rights when they know they will damage Father Trump.

Republicans are so confused these days. Good thing they have Father Trump to tell them what to think.

Your obviously don’t understand what you’re talking about. State vs Federal rights is regarding who has the authority to implement various governmental policies and institutions, not who gets to abuse power to go after a particular parson for partisan political purposes.

This lesson was pro bono.

 

[tres borrachos]

Your obviously don’t understand what you’re talking about. State vs Federal rights is regarding who has the authority to implement various governmental policies and institutions, not who gets to abuse power to go after a particular parson for partisan political purposes.

This lesson was pro bono.

Like I said, you're for state's rights until Trump tells you not to be.

I'd worry about Trump too if I were you.

 

[jonny5]

Because it's the job of Congress to investigate and legislate. And their oversight is intended to ensure that there are no issues in the Executive Branch. Just because you wouldn't care if Trump is vulnerable to the risk of blackmail or may have committed a crime doesn't mean everyone else in the country doesn't care.

Technically its the job of the executive branch to enforce the laws, including investigation, and specific revenue and financial offices in the executive branch deal with those issues. This is how separation of powers work. Trumps financial information prior to becoming President is just that. Private. And people might start caring about how democrats abuse their power to target political enemies.

 

[tres borrachos]

Technically its the job of the executive branch to enforce the laws, including investigation, and specific revenue and financial offices in the executive branch deal with those issues. This is how separation of powers work. Trumps financial information prior to becoming President is just that. Private. And people might start caring about how democrats abuse their power to target political enemies.

I didn't know anyone was confused about what the job of the Executive Branch is. We were talking about Congressional oversight and what it is. Maybe you didn't understand the posts?

 

[prometeus]

Why don't you tell us why this sort of action is proper?

Because a bunch of low intellect imbeciles elected a known liar and dishonest piece of crap as president and there is no other way to ascertain if he is compromised by our adversaries or he is only a crook.

 

[MTAtech]

Looks like the economic results have caught a lot of fish, 56% Trump approval rating on the economy. Guess with the national results being so good that switches the narrative to the Trump tax returns in the state of NY which certainly have been audited by not only the state but the IRS none of which matters as the left wants the issue not the logic and common sense that destroys that issue

For a guy who used to dismiss polls, you sure cling on to the ones that you like as a life-raft.

 

[OldFatGuy]

I didn't mention the word "impeach" in my post. So I have no idea why you quoted me and talked impeachment. I'm talking about Congressional oversight which absolutely includes the investigation of the Executive Branch.

Oversight includes impeachment, but then other aspects of congressional oversight are not truly defined constitutionally. Investigatory powers are not laid out in the US constitution, they are assumed by some in congress who think they are all knowing and have an ax to grind, justifiably or not.

 

[tres borrachos]

Oversight includes impeachment, but then other aspects of congressional oversight are not truly defined constitutionally. Investigatory powers are not laid out in the US constitution, they are assumed by some in congress who think they are all knowing and have an ax to grind, justifiably or not.

There are plenty of threads were you can speculate about impeachment, and plenty of posters who will discuss it with you. I am not speaking of impeachment. I'm stating facts about Congressi0onal oversight and what it is.

 

[prometeus]

No, it is the job of the Justice department to investigate and adjudicate pursuant to the legislation passed into law and approved by the Office of the President. Subsequent to conviction of a crime by the Justice dept. then congress must decide whether or not to impeach, remove a sitting president from office, but they are not the ones to determine guilt, only the qualification for remaining in office subsequent to a criminal conviction.

Where and how exactly does the Justice convict a sitting president?

 

[Fishking]

Like I said, you're for state's rights until Trump tells you not to be.

I'd worry about Trump too if I were you.

So you have nothing, just like always.

 

[MTAtech]

No, it is the job of the Justice department to investigate and adjudicate pursuant to the legislation passed into law and approved by the Office of the President. Subsequent to conviction of a crime by the Justice dept. then congress must decide whether or not to impeach, remove a sitting president from office, but they are not the ones to determine guilt, only the qualification for remaining in office subsequent to a criminal conviction.

Is that so -- it is the job of the Justice department to investigate, not Congress? So, are you now saying that Congress had no investigative authority to investigate Hillary Clinton regarding Benghazi? How about the 911 Commission? The Assassination of JFK?

Of course, the idea that Congress has no authority to investigate is absurd and cuts against the grain of centuries of precedent. The Supreme Court determined that the framers intended for Congress to seek out information when crafting or reviewing legislation. George Mason of Virginia said at the Federal Convention that Members of Congress “are not only Legislators but they possess inquisitorial powers. They must meet frequently to inspect the Conduct of the public offices.”

 

[Conservative]

For a guy who used to dismiss polls, you sure cling on to the ones that you like as a life-raft.

LOL, for a person that touts polls like you why are you ignoring this one? Apparently you don't know the difference between a popularity poll and an economic poll.

 

[tres borrachos]

So you have nothing, just like always.

I have a lot, actually.

But at least I'm not chewing my nails in fear because of what the state of NY may uncover about Trump. That's you.