My incredibly unpopular view on trans people

[Good4Nothin]

Good point. If keeping male genitals and how they appear in clothing and makeup - what is a transwoman? What does they "are a man in a woman's body" even mean if there is no definition of what a woman is to begin with - if physiology and social appearance and demeanor all are irrelevant?

Yeah, we don't know any of that. Our civilization evolved for eons and we wound up with these gender stereotypes. How real are they? We don't know.

 

[Eriech]

I know a Darryl that became a Dawn. Not sure how far she/he went but she always had "man" hands working outside . Great person. Never quite pulled off the female thing, imo.

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[Good4Nothin]

Their body doesn't have the proper organs to produce the necessary hormones that align with the psychological gender identity of their brain. Testes don't secrete estrogen and ovaries don't secrete testosterone, Hippocrates.

So nature ****s up. Modern medicine to the rescue.

 

[Good4Nothin]

No rational parent wants their child to be transgendered or tries to convince their CIS child that they are transgendered. That is an absurd misstatement of the situation. Supportive parents whose children exhibit signs of being transgender merely want them to get the necessary and effective care so they are happy.

Very often, those signs they exhibit are temporary. Children are children. They go through phases. They don't know very much about life.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Why not ask one?
Or research what those that claim to be one, actually say.

Are you under the assumption, they all lie?

They don't lie. But they might be influenced by the medical industry. The might be better off just accepting their non-traditional gender.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Why are there masculine females and feminine males? You do think that there are such people, yes?

Yeah there are. And thankfully our society now tries to accept them. Not everyone does, of course, but it's not like you're going to be stoned to death.

 

[maquiscat]

You can keep on saying that, but that doesn't make it true. Where is the evidence that "who we are " is either male or female?

I identify with the female stereotype at times, and with the male stereotype at other times. Most times I don't identify with either.

And, as I said before, if there wasn't a little pink female symbol on my description you would never assume I am female.

This rather falls to my point. I'm willing to bet that at all times, even while doing or feeling things stereotypically "male" you still view yourself as female. How another experiences you, what you view yourself as remains constant. My husband wears women's underwear. Not because he feels feminine or anything, but because they are bloody more comfortable than men's, at least for him. He purely identifies as male. Gender isn't the expression. It simply is.

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[Moonglow]

True. What is a "typical woman"?

Nag, nag, nag...

 

[Good4Nothin]

No, actually it isn't. That you are unaware of certain events that we have seen in ALL media, shows how far away you have been from awareness of what is going on.

Why DO you think the APA decided to issue a statement as strong and public regarding these matters ?



Again, why DO you think the APA decided to issue a statement as strong and public regarding these matters ?

Because a little girl decided to play with a GI Joe, or a little boy decided to try on mommies underwear, doesn't mean parents should get their child treated with hormones to try to recreate their child into the incorrect gender.

Yes, absolutely. It is so dangerous to **** with hormones, especially at a young age.

 

[Good4Nothin]

No]Bad title - Wikipedia, actually it isn't. That you are unaware of certain events that we have seen in ALL media, shows how far away you have been from awareness of what is going on.

Why DO you think the APA decided to issue a statement as strong and public regarding these matters ?




Again, why DO you think the APA decided to issue a statement as strong and public regarding these matters ?

Because a little girl decided to play with a GI Joe, or a little boy decided to try on mommies underwear, it doesn't mean parents should get their child treated with hormones to try to recreate their child into the incorrect gender. Who told that this is happening?

They were never transgendered. Who told you that they were or that some doctor prescribes hormones to anyone under the age of 12?

The fact that the entire process is driven by the transgdered person with the counsel of psychologists and endocrinologists and not by the parents seems to be beyond your grasp. Nobody can be forced to take hormones against their will or undergo counseling. It is abuse of they tried to force them.

Young children don't know the dangers of taking drugs and hormones. They trust their parents and doctors.

 

[Good4Nothin]

1.) The parents don't make those treatment decisions.

2.) Hormones and blockers aren't administered until after significant psychologist testing and counseling (2-4 months) and they aren't given until they are in their early teens when their CIS friends are also beginning to mature at puberty.

Children in their early teens are not qualified to make this decision. They don't understand the dangers of these drugs. They don't understand social gender roles (well no one does).

 

[Lisa]

Usually, genetics are very clear about who is male or female. If every cell in your body says MALE, chances are you are male. Case closed.

The genes do play a role and medical science is learning more about how it happens. That mind-body incongruency is the core concept of being transgender. This fact has been explained to you in the past in other threads, so why are you still repeating a lie?

How genes and evolution shape gender – and transgender – identity

 

[Lisa]

Children in their early teens are not qualified to make this decision. They don't understand the dangers of these drugs. They don't understand social gender roles (well no one does).

They do understand because it is explained to them at length. Not treating the condition properly or at the optimum time also has severe consequences but you don't want to admit that. You want them to wait till later but when it's later their body as matured in the wrong gender when instead they could have matured in a way that matches their psychological gender identity. You are setting them up to fail and then blaming them for the physical and emotional effects of waiting too long. This is an example of gaslighting.

They do understand the social roles because it is innate to them as is it to their classmates unless you want to force all teens to be asexual eunuchs.

 

[Lisa]

Yes, absolutely. It is so dangerous to **** with hormones, especially at a young age.

Having their body excrete the wrong gender hormones is also dangerous but you want to ignore that because it doesnt allign with your intellectual dishonest ideas.

 

[dairyair]

We have absolutely no reason to think that can happen. We have no reason to think the brain can be simply male or female.

Hormones. What effect do they have?

 

[maquiscat]

You want them to wait till later but when it's later their body as matured in the wrong gender when instead they could have matured in a way that matches their psychological gender identity. You are setting them up to fail and then blaming them for the physical and emotional effects of waiting too long. This is an example of gaslighting.

There is more to consider here. For example, it is being discovered that if hormone blockers are introduced too early in MtF transgenders, the penis does not grow enough to provide sufficient material for creating the vagina. Which means that they have to pull from other parts. IIRC the colon is a common area. Granted, if the trans female is one who can alieviate GD simply by presentation, or top only surgery/hormones, no big deal. But if they don't yet know if they will need SRS, blockers can actually be detrimental.

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[dairyair]

Yes, it can be tragic when children are prematurely labeled as transgender. I know of one case. Once you start down that road, it's hard to go back. A young child is NOT capable of knowing if they are really transgender! But the politically correct medical industry has been promoting gender "affirmation."

The decision has to be made early if you want to avoid secondary sex traits from appearing. So they give puberty blocking drugs to pre-adolescents. These children are NOT capable of knowing if they are really transgender. But the drugs make it impossible for them to develop normally, to find out if they are heterosexual or homosexual.

So many little girls want to be little boys. But we got a little older and instead of wanting to BE boys, we wanted to LOVE them. A complete transformation. But if you take puberty blockers, the transformation doesn't happen.

So I can see the dilemma. If a boy wants to be a girl, it's better to prevent the voice change and facial hair, and strong muscles, etc. So they give the blockers. But it is tragic to interfere with these natural processes.

Your expertise on the subject is what?

 

[dairyair]

Usually, genetics are very clear about who is male or female. If every cell in your body says MALE, chances are you are male. Case closed.

And every cell in a person's body is documented?

What about hormones?
Brain synapses?

 

[dairyair]

Yeah, we don't know any of that. Our civilization evolved for eons and we wound up with these gender stereotypes. How real are they? We don't know.

Those with gender dysphoria would know better than you and I.

 

[dairyair]

Yeah there are. And thankfully our society now tries to accept them. Not everyone does, of course, but it's not like you're going to be stoned to death.

Who ever said they would be stoned to death.

But, having treatment to align with hormones etc is likely better than denying reality. IMO, based on those who are in that category saying so. As opposed to those who never even met one who claims transgender.

 

[dairyair]

Young children don't know the dangers of taking drugs and hormones. They trust their parents and doctors.

Doctors aren't perfect. But they are professionally trained.

It is most often best to take the doctors opinion more serious than those who have no training or experience on the subject.

 

[maquiscat]

Usually, genetics are very clear about who is male or female. If every cell in your body says MALE, chances are you are male. Case closed.

Out of curiosity, which are you claiming is the overriding factor; the chromosomes (presence or lack of the X) or the SRY gene (which can be missing from the X and present on the Y, even if not usually)?

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[captaintrips]

Yes, it can be tragic when children are prematurely labeled as transgender. I know of one case. Once you start down that road, it's hard to go back. A young child is NOT capable of knowing if they are really transgender! But the politically correct medical industry has been promoting gender "affirmation."

The decision has to be made early if you want to avoid secondary sex traits from appearing. So they give puberty blocking drugs to pre-adolescents. These children are NOT capable of knowing if they are really transgender. But the drugs make it impossible for them to develop normally, to find out if they are heterosexual or homosexual.

So many little girls want to be little boys. But we got a little older and instead of wanting to BE boys, we wanted to LOVE them. A complete transformation. But if you take puberty blockers, the transformation doesn't happen.

So I can see the dilemma. If a boy wants to be a girl, it's better to prevent the voice change and facial hair, and strong muscles, etc. So they give the blockers. But it is tragic to interfere with these natural processes.

That's correct, it is tragic.

It's tragic & ridiculous that adults are visiting their own bizarre fetishes on children in the name of some idea of "woke" or "diversity" or whatever asinine reasoning might be used.

It's just one more result of pushing these kinds of things beyond sensible boundaries.

Now we have women & girls suing to prevent boys who claim they're girls from joining sports... because *gasp !* BOYS BEAT THEM and make their sport unfair ! Imagine that LOL

According to Christiana Holcomb, the attorney representing the girls, Connecticut's policy "robs female athletes of opportunities because of the physical advantages of males" and "deprived female athletes of honors and opportunities to compete at elite levels."

3 Connecticut high schoolers sue to prevent transgender athletes from competing in girls' sports - CBS News

 

[Hawkeye10]

I was recently looking at something re Studio 54 and I remembered how many gender bending freaks were around in those days, but it was not much of a problem and specifically there only being two genders and two sexes was not a problem. This whole trans issue feels very manufactured, and I have some ideas who might do it.

 

[Good4Nothin]

The genes do play a role and medical science is learning more about how it happens. That mind-body incongruency is the core concept of being transgender. This fact has been explained to you in the past in other threads, so why are you still repeating a lie?

How genes and evolution shape gender – and transgender – identity

My facts are different than your facts.