My Goodness, Ms. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez IS STILL the gift that keeps on giving.

[MateoMtnClimber]

We enjoy her because she's a poster child for the new clueless "abolish ICE" type left. We want more. More please!!!:mrgreen:

Oh, is that it? Let me get this straight. She wants to eliminate ICE. Fox News translated that as "open borders", which is not even a real concept. Her platform is not awfully similar to the Democratic party's. So you want to somehow use a woman running for a first term in the House to represent an entire political party by mischaracterizing her positions. Is that right?

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

I don't think I missed your point. I understand you would like more than anything the democrats to portray themselves as socialists. Yup, that's exactly what they will do. Yup.

I think you miss the point that in her district YOUNG people turned out to vote for her. That is why she is in Kansas. She is not running for president, she is registering voters.

At least veritas admitted what Harshaw is too meek to say. The right has propelled AOC to national prominence because they're trying to assassinate her character and her credentials while starting a new scare. Good luck to them.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

At least veritas admitted what Harshaw is too meek to say. The right has propelled AOC to national prominence because they're trying to assassinate her character and her credentials while starting a new scare. Good luck to them.

So basically the right is trying to do to AOC what they did to Hilliary clinton.

 

[JMR]

So basically the right is trying to do to AOC what they did to Hilliary clinton.

They are making it an art form....pesky females!!

 

[PLizzy]

I never said he wasn't. But what I said about the Democrats is true.

But if you think it isn't, tell me exactly what you mean by saying Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is "what you get when you elect Trump."

Give it a rest.

Nobody thought Trump could win, even the Republican establishment. It wasn't just his lack of decorum, his policies were openly radical to a point that most of us thought he'd come in third in the primaries.

Of course, he went all the way despite all of his flaws, his abusive tone, all of his rookie mistakes, and having a platform most Americans opposed.

It was only a matter of time before Democrats responded to the Palin's and Trump's that the right has been pushing for high office, and here it is. If you think she can't win because of her policy, you didn't learn the lessons of 2008 either.

 

[PLizzy]

At least veritas admitted what Harshaw is too meek to say. The right has propelled AOC to national prominence because they're trying to assassinate her character and her credentials while starting a new scare. Good luck to them.

I'll be honest, Cortez is not qualified for office and she really comes across as uninformed.

That having been said, the right started this game of rage voting unqualified people into office to irritate people across the aisle.

 

[Harshaw]

So that Republicans can continue to obsess over her? Everyone on the right has been repeating what you just said since AOC won the primary. Why is that? Why have you all laser focused on this individual and why do you want her to be the face of the Democratic party? Do you really think that her platform is so antithetical to American sensibilities that the right's single-minded determination to villainize her and cast her as representative of every other Democrat is going to cost her party seats?

No. I think her politics will turn off almost everyone except those who were going to vote Democrat no matter what anyway. "Social democracy" doesn't play in Dayton, and neither do identity politics. Democrat strongholds will love her. But Democrats don't need Democrat strongholds to win. They need swing areas. She'll turn those off. That works for me. Her repeatedly showing that she doesn't really know what she's talking about is just gravy.

So, hell yes. Make her the face of the Democrats. More and faster, please.

 

[Harshaw]

I don't think I missed your point. I understand you would like more than anything the democrats to portray themselves as socialists. Yup, that's exactly what they will do. Yup.

I think you miss the point that in her district YOUNG people turned out to vote for her. That is why she is in Kansas. She is not running for president, she is registering voters.

I tell you this from the bottom of my heart -- go for it. Rally 'round that flag. Please.

 

[Harshaw]

Ok, seriously, what is the point you're trying to make? Look. I can post just as many articles about her from the right.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wrong-on-minimum-wage-economics/

WATCH: Ocasio-Cortez Supporters Stumped on How Democratic Socialism Would Be Funded | Fox News Insider

https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/2...cortez-totally-fail-explaining-pay-socialism/

Watters: Ocasio-Cortez' Economic Plan Like Raising '$500 to Buy a BMW' | Fox News Insider

https://www.thecut.com/2018/07/cons...rtable-at-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-event.html

https://www.thecut.com/2018/07/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wins-primary-in-another-district.html

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/...over-satirical-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-video

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...o-cortez-interview-triggers-media-uproar.html

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018...e-just-slammed-gopers-for-being-weak-on-what/

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018...ecks-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-and-its-brutal/

https://www.nationalreview.com/videos/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-cant-answer-questions-about-israel/

https://www.aei.org/publication/the...iews-of-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-in-2-charts/

So who is pushing the story again? What is your group obsession with a single House candidate in NYC?

Sure there are plenty of articles about her from the right. But that's wasn't the point. You and JMR are saying it's ONLY coming from the right. But it's not. Far, far from it.

 

[Harshaw]

Give it a rest.

Nobody thought Trump could win, even the Republican establishment. It wasn't just his lack of decorum, his policies were openly radical to a point that most of us thought he'd come in third in the primaries.

Of course, he went all the way despite all of his flaws, his abusive tone, all of his rookie mistakes, and having a platform most Americans opposed.

It was only a matter of time before Democrats responded to the Palin's and Trump's that the right has been pushing for high office, and here it is. If you think she can't win because of her policy, you didn't learn the lessons of 2008 either.

None of this explains why you would say, of Ocasia-Cortez, that she's "what you get when conservatives elect Trump." What is she?

 

[JMR]

I tell you this from the bottom of my heart -- go for it. Rally 'round that flag. Please.

I think you missed the point.

 

[Harshaw]

Why? I have asked you several times.

See above. I don't get what's so difficult to understand about it. She as the face of the party will make it more likely that Democrats will lose. That works for me.

 

[Harshaw]

I think you missed the point.

No, I don't think I did. I think you think the electorate is something different than what it is.

 

[JMR]

No, I don't think I did. I think you think the electorate is something different than what it is.

I think YOU miss that she is engaging new members of the electorate. I think You might not realize how different the electorate is.

 

[Harshaw]

I think YOU miss that she is engaging new members of the electorate. I think You might not realize how different the electorate is.

I know that the "youth vote" has rarely had any effect on elections, not least because the youth, for all the noise they may make, tend not to vote in numbers sufficient to do so.

The "youth vote" has been touted in every election I can recall. It always amounts to little. So, if you're putting your eggs in that basket, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[PLizzy]

None of this explains why you would say, of Ocasia-Cortez, that she's "what you get when conservatives elect Trump." What is she?

I just explained to you that she's the liberal answer to the radicals the right has been running, so stop acting like you don't understand.

 

[Harshaw]

I just explained to you that she's the liberal answer to the radicals the right has been running, so stop acting like you don't understand.

OK. In your estimation, is that good or bad?

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

So basically the right is trying to do to AOC what they did to Hilliary clinton.

I'm not following.

 

[Harshaw]

At least veritas admitted what Harshaw is too meek to say. The right has propelled AOC to national prominence because they're trying to assassinate her character and her credentials while starting a new scare. Good luck to them.

"Too meek"? No. I didn't say any of that because it's bull****. It's apparently what you tell yourself, but I'm not responsible for that, nor am I obliged to put voice to arguments you assign to me.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

I'll be honest, Cortez is not qualified for office and she really comes across as uninformed.

That having been said, the right started this game of rage voting unqualified people into office to irritate people across the aisle.

I really don't know. I've avoided the hysteria surrounding this woman and don't know much about her. Assuming you're right, do you suppose AOC is less qualified for office than the typical member of Congress?

 

[PLizzy]

OK. In your estimation, is that good or bad?

Bad.

I personally want people that are qualified and understand the issues at a deep level, rather than people that are rookies that base their entire understanding of civics on what they learned in a political echo chamber.

 

[Harshaw]

Bad.

I personally want people that are qualified and understand the issues at a deep level, rather than people that are rookies that base their entire understanding of civics on what they learned in a political echo chamber.

As do I.

But nobody makes anybody else do anything. If Democrats vote in bad candidates, it's because they chose to, not because of what anyone else did. At best, they're no better than Republican voters.

 

[PLizzy]

I really don't know. I've avoided the hysteria surrounding this woman and don't know much about her. Assuming you're right, do you suppose AOC is less qualified for office than the typical member of Congress?

She's simply a sign of the lowered standards.

I mean, look at Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, etc. The GOP has been putting uninformed crazies in government for years. The closest the left has had is Maxine Waters.

It doesn't help that conservative voters have admitted they voted for Trump in part to anger liberal America. That is what's opening the door for left-wing voters to look for candidates they think will drive the right crazy for political strike back.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

No. I think her politics will turn off almost everyone except those who were going to vote Democrat no matter what anyway. "Social democracy" doesn't play in Dayton, and neither do identity politics. Democrat strongholds will love her. But Democrats don't need Democrat strongholds to win. They need swing areas. She'll turn those off. That works for me. Her repeatedly showing that she doesn't really know what she's talking about is just gravy.

So, hell yes. Make her the face of the Democrats. More and faster, please.

There's the rub. AOC could not represent the Democratic party nationally. Yet you want to take the positions of a first-time candidate for the US House from the Bronx and attribute them to the entire Democratic party.

It's disingenuous, it's unrepresentative of reality, and frankly, it's lazy.

By the way, the word is Democratic, not Democrat.

 

[PLizzy]

As do I.

But nobody makes anybody else do anything. If Democrats vote in bad candidates, it's because they chose to, not because of what anyone else did. At best, they're no better than Republican voters.

I never said Democrats are being made to do anything. I simply stated as a matter of fact that much of this election is political strike back by the left.