Muslim Sex Gang Busted in England [W:117]

[DA60]

Yep, I'm opposed. Good work detective.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=6611338



Government findings suggest that only 1 in 10 rapes are reported to police. What do you think of that?



You forgot to say 'hilarious'.



I'm trying to avoid the middle ages. You're in favor of bringing it's occupants to be my neighbors. Why can't you understand anything?




See you soon.



Say what you mean Da. Do you really mean that?

A little advice for future reference.

a) I rarely respond to multi-quote posts - they drag on forever.

b) when I say 'we are done here' - that means I ain't reading anymore posts you direct at me on that subject for the foreseeable future (and I did not read the one above - I just saw that it had mega-quotes). So you are just debating with yourself.
But if that is your thing...knock yourself out.

Bu bye now.

 

[gunner]

There is also a strong cultural "snitches get stitches" kind of mentality among Muslims. I'd like to know how many of their neighbors were aware of this and kept silent and I'd like to know how much help the police got from the local Muslim community in investigating this.

What has that got to do with what I posted?

 

[calamity]

Got a source for that???

What's with all these un-sourced allegations??? Don't you people know that in an online discussion board it's pretty much accepted that you back up your allegations with a source???

What do you think "British-Pakistani" stands for? :doh

 

[truthatallcost]

A little advice for future reference.

a) I rarely respond to multi-quote posts - they drag on forever.

b) when I say 'we are done here' - that means I ain't reading anymore posts you direct at me on that subject for the foreseeable future (and I did not read the one above - I just saw that it had mega-quotes). So you are just debating with yourself.
But if that is your thing...knock yourself out.

Bu bye now.

Cool. Do your hit & run thing and bounce. eace

 

[Manc Skipper]

There is also a strong cultural "snitches get stitches" kind of mentality among Muslims. I'd like to know how many of their neighbors were aware of this and kept silent and I'd like to know how much help the police got from the local Muslim community in investigating this.

Where did you come up with this racist BS?

 

[Manc Skipper]

Oh look... Stupid stuff. straw men galore, false assumptions and bigotry all packaged up nice neat into one simple-minded little post....

You package them very succinctly.

 

[coldjoint]

Where did you come up with this racist BS?

Where did you come up with Muslims being a race?

 

[Andalublue]

..and again - Got a source for that allegation???

Yup.Got one. Google "FGM in Ethiopia" and so will you.

 

[Andalublue]

There is also a strong cultural "snitches get stitches" kind of mentality among Muslims.

Got any evidence to back up that allegation?

 

[truthatallcost]

Yup.Got one. Google "FGM in Ethiopia" and so will you.

1 in 3 Ethiopians are Muslim. We're sure that Christians are practicing FGM here?

 

[Andalublue]

1 in 3 Ethiopians are Muslim. We're sure that Christians are practicing FGM here?

It's practiced by 74% of the population. You do the maths.

 

[HonestJoe]

Well it wasn't an issue at all for years. Why? Because the local police and government squashed the story. This kind of thing has been going on for over 20 years in the UK, did you even know that?

Much longer than that, assuming you're not limiting on the national origin of the offenders. The official handling of child abuse of many decades has been a failure, which is why so many historic cases are now being raised. There are definitely specific issues with over-sensitivity to accusations of racism and segregated communities (created by all sides) but they're far from the only issues.

They're certainly the #1 target for these precious pedophiles, aren't they?

Some but certainly not all. The problem is the impression presented that only English (and lets be clear, that's code for "white") girls are of concern risks suggesting to victims who don't fit that profile that they're not going to be believed.

No. However, when a minority of people engage in what amounts to an onslaught of torture and rape against a specific race/gender/age group, I'm damn well going to be pissed off and say something about it.

No objection to speaking out against abuse, I'm challenging the selective nature of it. By focusing on these Asian gangs exclusively, you're ignoring the vast majority of abusers and victims.

 

[truthatallcost]

It's practiced by 74% of the population. You do the maths.

Some sources say that education programs have drastically lowered the incidents of new FGM cases in Ethiopia. But you're right, 74% of all women there are said to have been victims.

The Christian population of Ethiopia is surrounded on all sides by populations of Muslims, who do make up the overwhelming majority of FGM practitioners.

 

[truthatallcost]

Much longer than that, assuming you're not limiting on the national origin of the offenders.

Of course, since the dawn of mankind I'd assume. But this is a news site.

The official handling of child abuse of many decades has been a failure, which is why so many historic cases are now being raised. There are definitely specific issues with over-sensitivity to accusations of racism and segregated communities (created by all sides) but they're far from the only issues.

Interested to hear what those are

Some but certainly not all. The problem is the impression presented that only English (and lets be clear, that's code for "white") girls are of concern risks suggesting to victims who don't fit that profile that they're not going to be believed.

I'm the one speaking with concern about English girls, remember. For many years they weren't even considered worthy enough for anyone in the police or local government to bother about.

Given the fact that when an accuser is the same race as his/her abuser, no racial controversy exists, police probably don't feel as though they could lose their job for doing something about it, or alerting the press about it.

No objection to speaking out against abuse, I'm challenging the selective nature of it. By focusing on these Asian gangs exclusively, you're ignoring the vast majority of abusers and victims.

If you have evidence of dozens of organized networks of pedophiles which don't consist of men from Muslim backgrounds, please share. Yes I'd be open to discussing such cases, just haven't heard of any thus far.

 

[HonestJoe]

Of course, since the dawn of mankind I'd assume. But this is a news site.

It’s a political discussion site and you brought up a period of “over 20 years” with no reason for that cut-off.

Interested to hear what those are

You’re not aware of the practical and legal difficulties for the authorities addressing child abuse? Abusers tend to be manipulative and threatening, children often don’t have anyone they feel comfortable talking to about it, abuse victims are often generally vulnerable and have disruptive lives, accusations are often made some time after the offences and in general it can be difficult to get concrete evidence leading on to difficulties with victims having to give evidence in court. Sadly, the list is pretty much endless but the point here is that specific difficulties around cases involving Asian/Muslim gangs only add to it.

I'm the one speaking with concern about English girls, remember. For many years they weren't even considered worthy enough for anyone in the police or local government to bother about.

Not because they were English (or white) though. There are plenty of reasons why the authorities were too slow to address this such as the fact many of the victims didn’t see themselves that way so refused to co-operate and indeed over-sensitivity about accusations of discrimination against the attackers but nothing to suggest the nationality of the victims was a factor in itself.

Given the fact that when an accuser is the same race as his/her abuser, no racial controversy exists, police probably don't feel as though they could lose their job for doing something about it, or alerting the press about it.

I think there are still concerns and indeed false accusations of discrimination when any suspect is a minority, regardless of who the victim is but there is certainly people, from all directions, willing to spin up the Asian Muslim attackers and white English victims element for their own political benefit or personal entertainment. I prefer not to give those people any consideration though.

If you have evidence of dozens of organized networks of pedophiles which don't consist of men from Muslim backgrounds, please share. Yes I'd be open to discussing such cases, just haven't heard of any thus far.

This is one example I suspect you never heard about; https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/11/seven-members-paedophile-gang-jailed . Part of the problem is that the tabloid media aren’t interested in presenting an accurate picture of reality, they only want what gives the “best” headlines and attract the most attention.

And anyway, it isn’t just about organised networks. Most abused children are victimised by lone attackers they’re either related to or know well and lots of them continue to be abused for a long, long time. The Asian gangs are just one small element of a much wider issue and while they certainly shouldn’t be ignored, they also shouldn’t be pushed as the main issue to exclusively focus on.

 

[joG]

Got a source for that allegation???

I'm surprised you could have missed all the literature over the years.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

So Asian men have moved on to enslaving white children for the purpose of financial gain. This is far worse than the run of the mill pedophile, because they've turn this sickening behavior into a business. Which means that Muslim sex gangs have a bigger incentive to acquire more victims than the average pedophile in the UK would.

Yet's it's not the racism you try and claim.

A similar thing exists in the USA, but instead of Pakistani men targeting white girls, the pimps are black. They look for girls from broken homes, most of them still children, and then travel from town to town, selling them via the internet.

Do you think those black pimps are racist then or business opportunists because clients will pay more for white girls?

~ Which is why I don't report here on every case involving a white Christian suspect.

LOL.

~ White children sell on the black market for more than others do. Same in the USA.

So you answer my question above. Thanks.

You yourself tried earlier to rationalize Muslim rape gangs by pointing to the business side of their rape habits.

Whatever you want to call it, I'm basing my argument on the Rotherham report which you conveniently can't access from home / work or public library or computer...

~ The real blame lies at the feet of the people who have infected your police agencies with political correctness.

If you think it was solely down to political correctness then you are badly informed. The police didn't believe those girls, they came from broken homes and were difficult to deal with. They were not your classic middle class kid from good homes with great manners.

Many articles point out the fact that police officials panicked when they heard of white children being raped by mobs of Pakistani men, because they were more afraid of the British media (scum) than of failing to prevent future sexual assaults on children.

That's one reason, but like I said, there were others.

~ You wouldn't be so confused if it were white soldiers raping underage girls in Africa, would you? You'd probably see a racial component there I'm assuming.

What a stupid comment. Think about what you are trying to say and where your example is based. For one, the muslim rape gangs started on their own, then moved onto hindu / sikh and black girls in various towns and then white girls.

White soldiers in the middle of the Congo raping white kids..... where would these kids come from? :lol::doh

~ Covered this already.

And you had no argument.

 

[faithful_servant]

What do you think "British-Pakistani" stands for? :doh

That they are Pakistanis who live GB... You claimed with factual authority that they are British citizens, which excludes being resident aliens, so could you please show us where you got the information to make that statement. My guess is that like a lot of your posts, you're just pulling stuff out of thin air.

 

[faithful_servant]

Where did you come up with this racist BS?

What exactly was racist about my comment? I made no mention of anyone's race, just an observation about a specific sub-culture.

 

[faithful_servant]

Yup.Got one. Google "FGM in Ethiopia" and so will you.

Learn about the cultures you are talking about... In most of Cent./sub-Saharan Africa, the term "Christian" doesn't necessarily mean a follower of Christ, it means anyone who is not a Muslim. I have good friends who have been missionaries in Uganda for over 15 years (Otino Waa Path Ministries) and I've been blessed to get to listen to them speak on multiple occasions. One of the things that they speak out about is this flawed perception about what the word "Christian" means in Cent./sub-Saharan Africa. These are most likely animist tribes doing this, since there is NOTHING in Christianity that supports FGM.

 

[Andalublue]

Learn about the cultures you are talking about... In most of Cent./sub-Saharan Africa, the term "Christian" doesn't necessarily mean a follower of Christ, it means anyone who is not a Muslim. I have good friends who have been missionaries in Uganda for over 15 years (Otino Waa Path Ministries) and I've been blessed to get to listen to them speak on multiple occasions. One of the things that they speak out about is this flawed perception about what the word "Christian" means in Cent./sub-Saharan Africa. These are most likely animist tribes doing this, since there is NOTHING in Christianity that supports FGM.

You should take your own advice. Christians of the Ethiopian Orthodox, Pentay and Catholic denominations make up 65%+ of the population. Those are Christians, followers of Jesus Christ.

 

[calamity]

That they are Pakistanis who live GB... You claimed with factual authority that they are British citizens, which excludes being resident aliens, so could you please show us where you got the information to make that statement. My guess is that like a lot of your posts, you're just pulling stuff out of thin air.

Are you doing this intentionally?

Read.

British Pakistanis (Urdu: پاکستانی نژاد برطانوی‎; also known as Pakistani British people or Pakistani Britons) are citizens or residents of the United Kingdom whose ancestral roots lie in Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis

Maybe instead of guessing, you should use your Google. :roll:

 

[Manc Skipper]

What exactly was racist about my comment? I made no mention of anyone's race, just an observation about a specific sub-culture.

As there is no such thing as race, racism is denigrating members of a group or sub-culture based on ethnicity or some other shared aspect of that group or sub-culture, such as religion.

 

[Chagos]

As there is no such thing as race, racism is denigrating members of a group or sub-culture based on ethnicity or some other shared aspect of that group or sub-culture, such as religion.

Just as Jews not being a race taking nothing from anti-Semitism constituting racism.

 

[faithful_servant]

As there is no such thing as race, racism is denigrating members of a group or sub-culture based on ethnicity or some other shared aspect of that group or sub-culture, such as religion.

So you've decided to redefine the term to fit your particular bias...


So what did I say that was denigrating?? It's a simple fact that like most culturally isolated communities, there is a tendency to rally around their own, even when their own are in the wrong. Islamic communities are no different and are often even more insular.

British Report Warns against ?Isolation? of Muslim Community - ASHARQ AL-AWSAT English
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...ation-among-practicing-Muslims-in-Europe.html