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Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign.

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Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign.

Okay so we've had this running "misinterpretation" playing out in the MSM that Mick Mulvaney admitted Trump withheld aid to affect the current election.

Here is the entire segment of the briefing starting with the questions asked by ABC's Jonathan Karl which led to the "Admitting to quid pro quo."



Context is everything, and is important these days when being given slanted news on a daily basis.

Mulvaney was clear when "dealing with the second question" (Ukraine aid) first.

1. He points out that the President has always been opposed to sending US aid to corrupt places.

2. He then points out that the EU nations have given nearly zero dollars for "lethal aid" while the USA is giving it's money for such "lethal aid." That Trump did not like that disparity in aid disbursement.

3. That Trump also mentioned "in passing the corruption related to the DNC server." That concerned the issue of hacking from back in 2016; and Mulvaney says "That's it. THAT's why we held up the money," referring to corruption and lethal aid disparities serving to delay aid disbursement.

Jonathan Karl then asks "So the demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason he ordered to withhold funding Ukraine."

Mulvaney's response "the look BACK to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the things he (Trump) was worried about in corruption with that nation. That is absolutely appropriate."

Now at this point Mulvaney is looking to recognize another person to ask a question and Jonathan Karl sneaks in this last question:

"Withholding the funding?" to which Mulvaney responds "Yeah, which ultimately flowed."

Mulvaney then goes off on a tangent about "There was worry if we did not pay out the money it would be illegal," referring to Congressional allocation requirements and timeliness or the funds can't be used.

At this point Karl goes off again and asks "What you've just described is a 'Quid Pro Quo' concerning the investigation of the DNC server." To which Mulvaney says "We do that all the time with foreign policy." THAT is the "gotcha" moment.

Mulvaney goes on the talk about how funds are held up all the time to enforce policies using Southeast Asian drug smuggling countries as the example.

IMHO it is clear that Mulvaney was discussing the Ukraine corruption issue regarding (whether one thinks it has been debunked or not) the hacking and dissemination of information from the DNC server.

At NO POINT was the Biden issue raised. The only issue raised was the DNC server, which cannot by any stretch of imagination relate to the current election cycle.

Last point: Mr. Mulvaney was absolutely correct in that all of our past Administrations have withheld aid in one form or another to force foreign governments to do, or stop doing things we don't like or want them to improve on. Aid is rarely given without such strings. So it appears that his "walk-backs" since this MSM tempest in a teapot were actually simple clarification of the mistaken impression given during the above press briefing.
 
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Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Your spinning and stretching of the truth is transparent and disgusting. We can't trust our own lyin' eyes and ears, we can only trust the story from the liar in chief.

Mulvaney made it abundantly clear that both aid and a meeting with Trump was explicitly withheld in exchange for complying with a demand to investigate Democrats and when asked to clarify doubled-down on it. We have the White House transcript where Trump explicitly asked for an investigation into Biden and his son. If there was any evidence whatsoever to support the conspiracy theory about Biden, Trump wouldn't have attempted to illegally extort the President of Ukraine in order get some. The goal shifting from your cult members has been absolutely astounding. Haven't you heard? Most of your ideological kin have already shifted the goals to "Yeah so what there was quid-pro-quo, but who cares?".

The worse this all gets, the harder you guys kick, scream, lie, distract and gaslight. Whether our broken system can hold Trump accountable for his crimes or not, we'll see you corrupt assholes at the polls.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Your spinning and stretching of the truth is transparent and disgusting. We can't trust our own lyin' eyes and ears, we can only trust the story from the liar in chief.

Mulvaney made it abundantly clear that both aid and a meeting with Trump was explicitly withheld in exchange for complying with a demand to investigate Democrats and when asked to clarify doubled-down on it. We have the White House transcript where Trump explicitly asked for an investigation into Biden and his son. If there was any evidence whatsoever to support the conspiracy theory about Biden, Trump wouldn't have attempted to illegally extort the President of Ukraine in order get some. The goal shifting from your cult members has been absolutely astounding. Haven't you heard? Most of your ideological kin have already shifted the goals to "Yeah so what there was quid-pro-quo, but who cares?".

The worse this all gets, the harder you guys kick, scream, lie, distract and gaslight. Whether our broken system can hold Trump accountable for his crimes or not, we'll see you corrupt assholes at the polls.

["GET OVER IT" intensifies]
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

["GET OVER IT" intensifies]

Trumpsters a week ago: THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO.

Trumpsters this week: WE QUID-PRO-QUO ALL THE TIME, GET OVER IT!!!
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

We all heard it. He explicitly stated it multiple times, with explicit clarification.

GET OVER IT.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Your spinning and stretching of the truth is transparent and disgusting. We can't trust our own lyin' eyes and ears, we can only trust the story from the liar in chief...

How funny is it that the OP came from a poster with that avatar?

Or is funny the wrong word?
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Okay so we've had this running "misinterpretation" playing out in the MSM that Mick Mulvaney admitted Trump withheld aid to affect the current election.

Here is the entire segment of the briefing starting with the questions asked by ABC's Jonathan Karl which led to the "Admitting to quid pro quo."



Context is everything, and is important these days when being given slanted news on a daily basis.

Mulvaney was clear when "dealing with the second question" (Ukraine aid) first.

1. He points out that the President has always been opposed to sending US aid to corrupt places.

2. He then points out that the EU nations have given nearly zero dollars for "lethal aid" while the USA is giving it's money for such "lethal aid." That Trump did not like that disparity in aid disbursement.

3. That Trump also mentioned "in passing the corruption related to the DNC server." That concerned the issue of hacking from back in 2016; and Mulvaney says "That's it. THAT's why we held up the money," referring to corruption and lethal aid disparities serving to delay aid disbursement.

Jonathan Karl then asks "So the demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason he ordered to withhold funding Ukraine."

Mulvaney's response "the look BACK to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the things he (Trump) was worried about in corruption with that nation. That is absolutely appropriate."

Now at this point Mulvaney is looking to recognize another person to ask a question and Jonathan Karl sneaks in this last question:

"Withholding the funding?" to which Mulvaney responds "Yeah, which ultimately flowed."

Mulvaney then goes off on a tangent about "There was worry if we did not pay out the money it would be illegal," referring to Congressional allocation requirements and timeliness or the funds can't be used.

At this point Karl goes off again and asks "What you've just described is a 'Quid Pro Quo' concerning the investigation of the DNC server." To which Mulvaney says "We do that all the time with foreign policy." THAT is the "gotcha" moment.

Mulvaney goes on the talk about how funds are held up all the time to enforce policies using Southeast Asian drug smuggling countries as the example.

IMHO it is clear that Mulvaney was discussing the Ukraine corruption issue regarding (whether one thinks it has been debunked or not) the hacking and dissemination of information from the DNC server.

At NO POINT was the Biden issue raised. The only issue raised was the DNC server, which cannot by any stretch of imagination relate to the current election cycle.

Last point: Mr. Mulvaney was absolutely correct in that all of our past Administrations have withheld aid in one form or another to force foreign governments to do, or stop doing things we don't like or want them to improve on. Aid is rarely given without such strings. So it appears that his "walk-backs" since this MSM tempest in a teapot were actually simple clarification of the mistaken impression given during the above press briefing.


You left out the most important part of the Mulvaney statement.

Here is what you left out.

 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Your spinning and stretching of the truth is transparent and disgusting. We can't trust our own lyin' eyes and ears, we can only trust the story from the liar in chief.

Mulvaney made it abundantly clear that both aid and a meeting with Trump was explicitly withheld in exchange for complying with a demand to investigate Democrats and when asked to clarify doubled-down on it. We have the White House transcript where Trump explicitly asked for an investigation into Biden and his son. If there was any evidence whatsoever to support the conspiracy theory about Biden, Trump wouldn't have attempted to illegally extort the President of Ukraine in order get some. The goal shifting from your cult members has been absolutely astounding. Haven't you heard? Most of your ideological kin have already shifted the goals to "Yeah so what there was quid-pro-quo, but who cares?".

The worse this all gets, the harder you guys kick, scream, lie, distract and gaslight. Whether our broken system can hold Trump accountable for his crimes or not, we'll see you corrupt assholes at the polls.

Clearly, as usual, you did not view the video evidence.

Nothing I can do about that :shrug:
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

To the Trump haters...

Context means nothing. It is something to be ignored.

Spin means everything. It is something to be splashed across the media and all of the echo chambers.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

would be nice for the White House if Americans could just erase their memory of last week.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

You left out the most important part of the Mulvaney statement.

Here is what you left out.



Actually MY video is a complete recording of the back and forth from start to finish.

Your post of the statements taken out of context by ABC in that report, coupled with "commentary" is part of the problem.

What you posted was "propaganda." What I posted was the entire part of the press conference from the start of Karl's questions to the finish.

CONTEXT is the point. A point opponents of the current Administration consistently refuse to see.
 
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Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Attacking the DNC and attacking the foundation of the 2 year long criminal investigation into President Trump, doesn't help Trump in the 2020?

Tell me some more lies Captain Adverse.

You guys got corrupted too. They help your candidate, in exchange you lies your asses off and protect them.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

You left out the most important part of the Mulvaney statement.

Here is what you left out.



You love your media spin, don't you?
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Okay so we've had this running "misinterpretation" playing out in the MSM that Mick Mulvaney admitted Trump withheld aid to affect the current election.

Here is the entire segment of the briefing starting with the questions asked by ABC's Jonathan Karl which led to the "Admitting to quid pro quo."



Context is everything, and is important these days when being given slanted news on a daily basis.

Mulvaney was clear when "dealing with the second question" (Ukraine aid) first.

1. He points out that the President has always been opposed to sending US aid to corrupt places.

2. He then points out that the EU nations have given nearly zero dollars for "lethal aid" while the USA is giving it's money for such "lethal aid." That Trump did not like that disparity in aid disbursement.

3. That Trump also mentioned "in passing the corruption related to the DNC server." That concerned the issue of hacking from back in 2016; and Mulvaney says "That's it. THAT's why we held up the money," referring to corruption and lethal aid disparities serving to delay aid disbursement.

Jonathan Karl then asks "So the demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason he ordered to withhold funding Ukraine."

Mulvaney's response "the look BACK to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the things he (Trump) was worried about in corruption with that nation. That is absolutely appropriate."

Now at this point Mulvaney is looking to recognize another person to ask a question and Jonathan Karl sneaks in this last question:

"Withholding the funding?" to which Mulvaney responds "Yeah, which ultimately flowed."

Mulvaney then goes off on a tangent about "There was worry if we did not pay out the money it would be illegal," referring to Congressional allocation requirements and timeliness or the funds can't be used.

At this point Karl goes off again and asks "What you've just described is a 'Quid Pro Quo' concerning the investigation of the DNC server." To which Mulvaney says "We do that all the time with foreign policy." THAT is the "gotcha" moment.

Mulvaney goes on the talk about how funds are held up all the time to enforce policies using Southeast Asian drug smuggling countries as the example.

IMHO it is clear that Mulvaney was discussing the Ukraine corruption issue regarding (whether one thinks it has been debunked or not) the hacking and dissemination of information from the DNC server.

At NO POINT was the Biden issue raised. The only issue raised was the DNC server, which cannot by any stretch of imagination relate to the current election cycle.

Last point: Mr. Mulvaney was absolutely correct in that all of our past Administrations have withheld aid in one form or another to force foreign governments to do, or stop doing things we don't like or want them to improve on. Aid is rarely given without such strings. So it appears that his "walk-backs" since this MSM tempest in a teapot were actually simple clarification of the mistaken impression given during the above press briefing.


PLLLLLLEASE!!!

There are numerous rationals for Mulvaney's disaster in front of the cameras. Your's is not one of them.

I am even willing to accept the idea that he was simply caught under the strain and under the bright lights and unconsciously told the truth. Mick the Quick was never more than the House Dennis the Menace while he was there and he is really something of a child.

Most likely, its a combination of haltingly stumbling into the truth and Trumpkin's stove-piped organization. Like any mob boss, what is left of Trumpkin's organization is stove-piped. None of his underbosses talk to each other. Hell, they don't even schedule time to talk to each other. Rudy has all the secure space booked up talking to the 3 amigos and trying to get a Visa for corrupt as all get out former Chief Prosecutor Shokin.

Notice how quickly Administration types ran for cover. WH Attorney Jay Sekulow immediately claiming that WH legal had "nothing to do" with Mulvaney's statement. DOJ announcing "that was news" to them.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

How funny is it that the OP came from a poster with that avatar?
Or is funny the wrong word?

His avatar and lean are meant to be ironic. He's a Trump cultist that enjoys making libertarians look spineless and deceitful.

Clearly, as usual, you did not view the video evidence.
Nothing I can do about that :shrug:

We've all seen the video, but of course we can't believe our lying eyes and ears. It's amazing that you guys consistently lie about things we've all seen them admit on live TV.

Of course, Trump has never shown any interest fighting corruption up until now, either in his own administration or abroad, but a year before an election he's suddenly wildly interested in fighting corruption in his potential opponent. Transparent and pathetic as usual.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

To the Trump haters...
Context means nothing. It is something to be ignored.
Spin means everything. It is something to be splashed across the media and all of the echo chambers.

Don't believe your eyes and ears, believe what Mycroft is saying... a bunch of hore****! Hilarious.
It's a fact that Mulvaney admitted it was quid pro quo.

Context is that he regretted it after getting his ass chewed, and he tried to the deny it. Only way to know for sure is have him go testify to congress.

What's that Mycroft? He won't do that because he's a ****ing liar? Yep.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

We all heard it. He explicitly stated it multiple times, with explicit clarification.

GET OVER IT.

I know this is the 50th time I have asked you to bend over and let me take advantage of you. I am tired of you complaining about it. I want you to "get over it".
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

So the OP is saying that Trump wanted to withhold military aid to chase a conspiracy theory that would benefit Russia should it prove to be true?

Someone explain how that is better.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Okay so we've had this running "misinterpretation" playing out in the MSM that Mick Mulvaney admitted Trump withheld aid to affect the current election.

Here is the entire segment of the briefing starting with the questions asked by ABC's Jonathan Karl which led to the "Admitting to quid pro quo."



Context is everything, and is important these days when being given slanted news on a daily basis.

Mulvaney was clear when "dealing with the second question" (Ukraine aid) first.

1. He points out that the President has always been opposed to sending US aid to corrupt places.

2. He then points out that the EU nations have given nearly zero dollars for "lethal aid" while the USA is giving it's money for such "lethal aid." That Trump did not like that disparity in aid disbursement.

3. That Trump also mentioned "in passing the corruption related to the DNC server." That concerned the issue of hacking from back in 2016; and Mulvaney says "That's it. THAT's why we held up the money," referring to corruption and lethal aid disparities serving to delay aid disbursement.

Jonathan Karl then asks "So the demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason he ordered to withhold funding Ukraine."

Mulvaney's response "the look BACK to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the things he (Trump) was worried about in corruption with that nation. That is absolutely appropriate."

Now at this point Mulvaney is looking to recognize another person to ask a question and Jonathan Karl sneaks in this last question:

"Withholding the funding?" to which Mulvaney responds "Yeah, which ultimately flowed."

Mulvaney then goes off on a tangent about "There was worry if we did not pay out the money it would be illegal," referring to Congressional allocation requirements and timeliness or the funds can't be used.

At this point Karl goes off again and asks "What you've just described is a 'Quid Pro Quo' concerning the investigation of the DNC server." To which Mulvaney says "We do that all the time with foreign policy." THAT is the "gotcha" moment.

Mulvaney goes on the talk about how funds are held up all the time to enforce policies using Southeast Asian drug smuggling countries as the example.

IMHO it is clear that Mulvaney was discussing the Ukraine corruption issue regarding (whether one thinks it has been debunked or not) the hacking and dissemination of information from the DNC server.

At NO POINT was the Biden issue raised. The only issue raised was the DNC server, which cannot by any stretch of imagination relate to the current election cycle.

Last point: Mr. Mulvaney was absolutely correct in that all of our past Administrations have withheld aid in one form or another to force foreign governments to do, or stop doing things we don't like or want them to improve on. Aid is rarely given without such strings. So it appears that his "walk-backs" since this MSM tempest in a teapot were actually simple clarification of the mistaken impression given during the above press briefing.




Mulvaney did admit to a quid pro quo regarding "DNC server" and he told everyone to "get over it" , and essentially that horse trading for politics is done all the time.


No, it's done to further US foreign policy, NOT to benefit the president's reelection campaign.

And, you are missing a greater point and surrounding context and evidence that Cuomo presents so well.


 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

The Mulvaney debacle points out how much Trumpkin's WH misses Sara Hucksterby Sanders. Woman had nerves of steel but eventually even she was broken down by the constant need to lie her way through a briefing. Nobody has a good enough memory to keep juggling that many lies. Trumpkin can't do it either. He is simply shameless. Thats the only dif.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Okay so we've had this running "misinterpretation" playing out in the MSM that Mick Mulvaney admitted Trump withheld aid to affect the current election.

Here is the entire segment of the briefing starting with the questions asked by ABC's Jonathan Karl which led to the "Admitting to quid pro quo."



Context is everything, and is important these days when being given slanted news on a daily basis.

Mulvaney was clear when "dealing with the second question" (Ukraine aid) first.

1. He points out that the President has always been opposed to sending US aid to corrupt places.

2. He then points out that the EU nations have given nearly zero dollars for "lethal aid" while the USA is giving it's money for such "lethal aid." That Trump did not like that disparity in aid disbursement.

3. That Trump also mentioned "in passing the corruption related to the DNC server." That concerned the issue of hacking from back in 2016; and Mulvaney says "That's it. THAT's why we held up the money," referring to corruption and lethal aid disparities serving to delay aid disbursement.

Jonathan Karl then asks "So the demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason he ordered to withhold funding Ukraine."

Mulvaney's response "the look BACK to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the things he (Trump) was worried about in corruption with that nation. That is absolutely appropriate."

Now at this point Mulvaney is looking to recognize another person to ask a question and Jonathan Karl sneaks in this last question:

"Withholding the funding?" to which Mulvaney responds "Yeah, which ultimately flowed."

Mulvaney then goes off on a tangent about "There was worry if we did not pay out the money it would be illegal," referring to Congressional allocation requirements and timeliness or the funds can't be used.

At this point Karl goes off again and asks "What you've just described is a 'Quid Pro Quo' concerning the investigation of the DNC server." To which Mulvaney says "We do that all the time with foreign policy." THAT is the "gotcha" moment.

Mulvaney goes on the talk about how funds are held up all the time to enforce policies using Southeast Asian drug smuggling countries as the example.

IMHO it is clear that Mulvaney was discussing the Ukraine corruption issue regarding (whether one thinks it has been debunked or not) the hacking and dissemination of information from the DNC server.

At NO POINT was the Biden issue raised. The only issue raised was the DNC server, which cannot by any stretch of imagination relate to the current election cycle.

Last point: Mr. Mulvaney was absolutely correct in that all of our past Administrations have withheld aid in one form or another to force foreign governments to do, or stop doing things we don't like or want them to improve on. Aid is rarely given without such strings. So it appears that his "walk-backs" since this MSM tempest in a teapot were actually simple clarification of the mistaken impression given during the above press briefing.


The day I need a rightwinger to spin and interpret what I heard with my own ears is the day I quit politics.

Mulvaney said what he said and there ain't no taking it back. So get over it.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

This dumb-**** administration is out of practice after over 200 days of denying the press/Americans press briefings...because they are so transparent..cough cough, that they simply can't answer questions from the press.

They then forget they can't tell the truth because they have told so many lies... and send Mick out there? And he took questions on this when he KNOWS they are full of ****? Then he blurts out the truth at least 3 times, with clarification that yeah, it was quid pro quo?

THEN THEY ALL DENY IT?

Some sad ****.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

What difference, at this point, does it make? ;)
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Actually MY video is a complete recording of the back and forth from start to finish.

Your post of the statements taken out of context by ABC in that report, coupled with "commentary" is part of the problem.

What you posted was "propaganda." What I posted was the entire part of the press conference from the start of Karl's questions to the finish.

CONTEXT is the point. A point opponents of the current Administration consistently refuse to see.

You are right about showing the whole video. Nonetheless, in your OP the part where he actually admitted to quid pro quo was not addressed by you and yet it is crystal clear that he admitted to quid pro quo. Whether he knew what he was saying or not is another discussion. The reporter asking the question was "extremely clear" so as to not misrepresent and his response was "yes, that is what we do all the time"

You can argue what he meant but you cannot argue what he said.
 
Re: Mulvaney did not assert a "Quid Pro Quo" to investigate Biden and influence the Current campaign

Trump's so-called objection to sending money to corrupt places (and let's be honest, he pretty much objects to sending money anywhere. Its all he thinks about.) might help explain why he allegedly refuses to accept a salary.
 
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