Mueller testimony delayed by one week

[haymarket]

Doubtful. In his Stone indictment Mueller says that after the initial Wikileaks release, the campaign reached out to Stone to see if he could reach out to Wikileaks to find out if it had anything else. It would seem kind of redundant to look for information they supposedly already had from a source that they already supposedly had received information from and had existing contacts with.

Mueller says otherwise.

 

[haymarket]

And none of those indictments for lying to investigators had a damn thing to do with a Trump Campaign conspiracy or coordination with Russians.

If Mueller feels his investigation was stymied by lies and did nothing about it, then it's he that's more likely lying.

They were indictments and convictions of Trump campaign people that came out of the Mueller investigation.

 

[hanger4]

They were indictments and convictions of Trump campaign people that came out of the Mueller investigation.

Well :doh:

And none of those indictments for lying to investigators had a damn thing to do with a Trump Campaign conspiracy or coordination with Russians.

 

[hanger4]

Mueller says otherwise.

Do tell haymarket ??

 

[Athanasius68]

Mueller says otherwise.

It's Muellers indictment.

 

[haymarket]

Well :doh:

And none of those indictments for lying to investigators had a damn thing to do with a Trump Campaign conspiracy or coordination with Russians.

Do you for a hot minute believe that any of those people would have been investigated and indicted and convicted if they had NOT participated in the behavior associated with Russians and the Trump Campaign?

 

[haymarket]

It's Muellers indictment.

That makes no rational sense as a reply to my post.

Mueller himself states that new light could be shed upon the events if they can get past the lies and withholding of testimony and evidence that was an obstacle to his investigation and I quoted the Report on that.

 

[haymarket]

Do tell haymarket ??

If you read the report, Mueller clearly says it - all I do is quote it.

Mueller himself states that new light could be shed upon the events if they can get past the lies and withholding of testimony and evidence that was an obstacle to his investigation and I quoted the Report on that.

You should read it and learn so you do not make boners like you just did.

 

[Athanasius68]

That makes no rational sense as a reply to my post.

Mueller himself states that new light could be shed upon the events if they can get past the lies and withholding of testimony and evidence that was an obstacle to his investigation and I quoted the Report on that.

Are you accusing Mr. Mueller of lying to the court in his indictment of Stone? No? Ok. So Mr. Mueller is telling a court the campaign had no direct means of communicating with Russia about anything. He has to believe it's true.
So what does Mueller mean in that passage? Probably one of these process crime things that he fed on. It won't mean anything substantial for what you are looking for (Trump conspiring with Russia). So, for example, did Mufsid commit perjury when he said he never told PapaD about Russia having emails? I don't know. But even if he did it doesn't add anything to the story of Trump's complicity.

 

[hanger4]

Do you for a hot minute believe that any of those people would have been investigated and indicted and convicted if they had NOT participated in the behavior associated with Russians and the Trump Campaign?

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that none, read that none, of those lies/convictions had anything to do with a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy ??

 

[hanger4]

If you read the report, Mueller clearly says it - all I do is quote it.

Mueller himself states that new light could be shed upon the events if they can get past the lies and withholding of testimony and evidence that was an obstacle to his investigation and I quoted the Report on that.

You should read it and learn so you do not make boners like you just did.

And yet Mueller indicted no one for those lies and withholding evidence that was an obstacle to his investigation concerning a conspiracy or coordination.

 

[haymarket]

Are you accusing Mr. Mueller of lying to the court in his indictment of Stone? No? Ok. So Mr. Mueller is telling a court the campaign had no direct means of communicating with Russia about anything. He has to believe it's true.
So what does Mueller mean in that passage? Probably one of these process crime things that he fed on. It won't mean anything substantial for what you are looking for (Trump conspiring with Russia). So, for example, did Mufsid commit perjury when he said he never told PapaD about Russia having emails? I don't know. But even if he did it doesn't add anything to the story of Trump's complicity.

I have no idea what that has to do with the post of mine that you were pretending to be replying to.

 

[haymarket]

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that none, read that none, of those lies/convictions had anything to do with a Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy ??

If those people had not worked for the Trump campaign - none of them would have been hauled into court and convicted.

 

[haymarket]

And yet Mueller indicted no one for those lies and withholding evidence that was an obstacle to his investigation concerning a conspiracy or coordination.

He indicted Trump campaign officials and workers and got convictions in many cases.

 

[Athanasius68]

I have no idea what that has to do with the post of mine that you were pretending to be replying to.

It means Mr. Mueller has already said in court there will be nothing of substance in whatever the other folks have said, assuming Muelller correctly characterizes those statements.

 

[haymarket]

It means Mr. Mueller has already said in court there will be nothing of substance in whatever the other folks have said, assuming Muelller correctly characterizes those statements.

That is NOT what the Mueller Report has said and I have provided the quote previously.

"Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."

 

[hanger4]

If those people had not worked for the Trump campaign - none of them would have been hauled into court and convicted.

He indicted Trump campaign officials and workers and got convictions in many cases.

None of which stymied or had anything to with Mueller's investigation.

 

[Athanasius68]

That is NOT what the Mueller Report has said and I have provided the quote previously.

Mueller has already laid out the chain of events surrounding the Wikileaks release. That disproves any sort of conspiracy between Russia and Trump & Co.. It is simply not realistic to think "new" information would change this, other than perhaps around the edges.

 

[haymarket]

None of which stymied or had anything to with Mueller's investigation.

It came directly from the Mueller investigation. And it came directly from their criminal association with Donald Trump.

 

[haymarket]

Mueller has already laid out the chain of events surrounding the Wikileaks release. That disproves any sort of conspiracy between Russia and Trump & Co.. It is simply not realistic to think "new" information would change this, other than perhaps around the edges.

Mueller says otherwise. When Trump people deliberately lie to you.... when they deceive you... when they withhold valuable and needed testimony .... the results are a unfinished picture that Mueller says could change.

 

[hanger4]

It came directly from the Mueller investigation. And it came directly from their criminal association with Donald Trump.

Which still had nothing to do with the Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy.

Your flailing haymarket.

 

[Athanasius68]

Mueller says otherwise. When Trump people deliberately lie to you.... when they deceive you... when they withhold valuable and needed testimony .... the results are a unfinished picture that Mueller says could change.

Mueller doesn't say otherwise. He states this in his indictment of Mr. Stone:
The campaign didn't know of the release, they didn't know what Wikileaks had our whether there would be future releases. They asked Stone to find out. And as Mueller starts also in his indictment, STONE had no direct way of contacting Wikileaks.
Nothing will be produced that will substantially change this narrative of Mueller.

 

[haymarket]

Which still had nothing to do with the Trump Campaign Russian conspiracy.

Your flailing haymarket.

Which had everything to do with the Trump campaign as that is what Mueller was investigating in the first place.

 

[haymarket]

Mueller doesn't say otherwise. He states this in his indictment of Mr. Stone:
The campaign didn't know of the release, they didn't know what Wikileaks had our whether there would be future releases. They asked Stone to find out. And as Mueller starts also in his indictment, STONE had no direct way of contacting Wikileaks.
Nothing will be produced that will substantially change this narrative of Mueller.

Here is what the official Mueller Report states about the lies, the deceit, the false testimony and the withholding of testimony and how it effected the Report

"Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."

Mueller is quote clear and you are quite wrong if you keep insisting otherwise.

 

[Athanasius68]

Here is what the official Mueller Report states about the lies, the deceit, the false testimony and the withholding of testimony and how it effected the Report



Mueller is quote clear and you are quite wrong if you keep insisting otherwise.

Unless you believe Mueller knowingly falsely indicted Mr. Stone, he is referring to other things with that passage.