MSNBC Chris Matthews goes on a ‘Red Scare’ socialism tirade against Bernie

[Dans La Lune]

Chris Matthews thinks Bernie Sanders is going to go on an execution spree in Central Park. It’s going to get worse before it gets better as Bernie gets closer to the nomination and then eventually the presidency.

 

[Mr Person]

What is actually said?

 

[joko104]

Matthews is right (thought I'd never post this).

Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is NOT a liberal. He is a socialist - and of the communist version.

Basically, Bernie Sanders is the American Socialist Workers Party raiding the Democratic Party, connecting to the progressive-fascist extremists within the Democratic Party. He personally is just an old kook who rants continuously trying to buy votes with the public treasury.

 

[Felis Leo]

What is actually said?

The Daily Wire Posted the video from Twitter of what Matthews said. I do not know how to embed the video.

 

[joko104]

The Daily Wire Posted the video from Twitter of what Matthews said. I do not know how to embed the video.

Matthews is an old school liberal Democrat. He is not one of the new progressive (fascist) socialists. Democrats should listen to what he's explaining.

 

[aociswundumho]

So at 1:34 the dumb fat guy denies that Bernie "took the other side", which is incorrect. Bernie did take the side of Cuba, just like he took the side of the Marxist Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Bernie has never hid his luv for Marxist dictators like Castro and Otega. He was also personal friends with Chavez.

 

[Drawdown]

Chris Matthews thinks Bernie Sanders is going to go on an execution spree in Central Park. It’s going to get worse before it gets better as Bernie gets closer to the nomination and then eventually the presidency.

LOL of course it is going to get worse IF Bernie gets closer to the nomination, the further the dems get from the presidency.

 

[joko104]

Democrats also should ask what the hell is going on when one candidate's team declared that Chris Matthews is their enemy and he is sounding as loud an alarm on one of the candidates as possible.

Simply, Matthews does not share the view that Trump definitely will lose re-election and thinks it is a terrible tactic to try to use Trump as the vehicle to turn the USA into a Cuban-style socialist country. I also am glad he is bringing up that during the Cold War Bernie Sanders decided to honeymoon in the USSR.

What would be truthful would be for Bernie Sanders to have run on the Socialist Worker's Party ticket.

 

[Mr Person]

I do not know how to embed the video.

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Of course, Matthews wasn't saying anything like "elect Bernie and they'll execute me!" It does indeed begin with a rant, a rant against....apparently true socialism coming to America. Then it gets silly. He says he doesn't know what Bernie wants, then refers to Denmark, goes on about how it's harmless...but they cut to commentary.

Whatever it is, it doesn't sound like what OP is on about.




Simple reality: none of these candidates is arguing for actual socialism. Even "medicare for all" isn't pure socialism...government ownership of the means of production. True socialism always goes bad. It cannot be started without government ownership of the means of production, which in turn requires a government able to seize said means.

 

[joko104]

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Of course, Matthews wasn't saying anything like "elect Bernie and they'll execute me!"

He is saying he knows what true socialism is - and the nature of the countries that Sanders what to turn this country into.

 

[Felis Leo]

Matthews is an old school liberal Democrat. He is not one of the new progressive (fascist) socialists. Democrats should listen to what he's explaining.

Matthews is at the very least is old enough to remember the Cold War and why socialism was a rightfully dirty word in American politics, and remembered when most socialists like Sanders were fellow travelers with the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact's satellite states.

 

[Digger]

So at 1:34 the dumb fat guy denies that Bernie "took the other side", which is incorrect. Bernie did take the side of Cuba, just like he took the side of the Marxist Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Bernie has never hid his luv for Marxist dictators like Castro and Otega. He was also personal friends with Chavez.

Citations?

 

[aociswundumho]

Chris Matthews thinks Bernie Sanders is going to go on an execution spree in Central Park.

No, that's a strawman erected by the dumb fat guy in the video. Here's what Matthews said:

I have my views on the word ‘socialist,’ and I’ll be glad to share them with you in private and they go back to the early 1950s. I have an attitude about them, I remember the Cold War, I have an attitude toward Castro,” Matthews contined. “I believe if Castro and the reds had won the Cold War there would have been executions in Central Park and I might have been one of the ones getting executed and certain other people would be there cheering, OK?”

Matthews is not saying Bernie would perform the executions, he's implying that a socialist like Bernie would be cheering, and he's right. Bernie has great admiration for the Castro brothers and Guevara, and he knows what went on at La Cabana, and there is no doubt whatsoever that he approves of what they did.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Of course, Matthews wasn't saying anything like "elect Bernie and they'll execute me!" It does indeed begin with a rant, a rant against....apparently true socialism coming to America. Then it gets silly. He says he doesn't know what Bernie wants, then refers to Denmark, goes on about how it's harmless...but they cut to commentary.

Why did Matthews mention public executions in the context of Bernie Sanders?

Chris Matthews Rant Connects Bernie Sanders With Public Executions - Rolling Stone

 

[joko104]

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Of course, Matthews wasn't saying anything like "elect Bernie and they'll execute me!" It does indeed begin with a rant, a rant against....apparently true socialism coming to America. Then it gets silly. He says he doesn't know what Bernie wants, then refers to Denmark, goes on about how it's harmless...but they cut to commentary.

Whatever it is, it doesn't sound like what OP is on about.




Simple reality: none of these candidates is arguing for actual socialism. Even "medicare for all" isn't pure socialism...government ownership of the means of production. True socialism always goes bad. It cannot be started without government ownership of the means of production, which in turn requires a government able to seize said means.

Sanders has advocated nationalizing many sectors of industry (government seizes control).

 

[Dans La Lune]

Matthews is not saying Bernie would perform the executions, he's implying that a socialist like Bernie would be cheering, and he's right.

So Bernie wouldn’t be performing the public executions, he’d simply be cheering? Got it. Yes, that’s quite the strawman I posted. :lol:

 

[joko104]

Why did Matthews mention public executions in the context of Bernie Sanders?

Chris Matthews Rant Connects Bernie Sanders With Public Executions - Rolling Stone

To explain what the countries Bernie Sanders admires and is trying to copy would do to him. Specifically, he was referring to Sanders honeymooning in the USSR and if Russia and Cuba had won the Cold War and taken over the USA, they would execute people like him - which is an accurate statement.

 

[Felis Leo]

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Of course, Matthews wasn't saying anything like "elect Bernie and they'll execute me!" It does indeed begin with a rant, a rant against....apparently true socialism coming to America. Then it gets silly. He says he doesn't know what Bernie wants, then refers to Denmark, goes on about how it's harmless...but they cut to commentary.

Whatever it is, it doesn't sound like what OP is on about.

True. But then, to be fair to Matthews, Bernie Sanders is hiding behind seductive obscurity and the general mushiness of the term "socialism." Back when he was younger, he truly did mean that he wanted to nationalize all major industries because like most Marxist socialists, he saw Capitalism and private ownership of the means of production as a system of oppression.

Simple reality: none of these candidates is arguing for actual socialism. Even "medicare for all" isn't pure socialism...government ownership of the means of production. True socialism always goes bad. It cannot be started without government ownership of the means of production, which in turn requires a government able to seize said means.

Well, I would not say that for Bernie Sanders. The goal of most democratic socialists (if the folks over at Jacobin are to be believed) is to seize control over the means of production through legal, relatively non-violent means.

The question I think that should seriously be put to Bernie Sanders is: Why are you no longer for nationalization? Because he still calls for state control over power companies. And if he is okay with the government (whether state or federal) taking over energy companies, why stop there? Why not take over the entire energy sector?

 

[Dans La Lune]

To explain what the countries Bernie Sanders admires and is trying to copy would do to him. Specifically, he was referring to Sanders honeymooning in the USSR and if Russia and Cuba had won the Cold War and taken over the USA, they would execute people like him - which is an accurate statement.

Why do you think Bernie is trying to give everyone access to healthcare? So he can laugh at the public executions when his REAL plan kicks into action?

 

[aociswundumho]

Citations?

If you need a citation for Bernies love for the Castro brothers, Guevara, Ortega, and Chavez, then you need to educate yourself about this imbecile you're about to vote for.

 

[joko104]

Why do you think Bernie is trying to give everyone access to healthcare? So he can laugh at the public executions when his REAL plan kicks into action?

Sneering is not going to get Sander elected.

 

[Drawdown]

Sneering is not going to get Sander elected.

I think it is glorious that the party that spent TWO years weaving these elaborate Trump-Russia conspiracies is possibly on its way to nominating one of the biggest communist sympathizers in modern times as its candidate.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Sneering is not going to get Sander elected.

And McCarthyist “Red Scare” tactics from Roy Cohn’s protege aren’t going to save Trump and the Republican party from utter decimation. I asked an honest question, btw.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I think it is glorious that the party that spent TWO years weaving these elaborate Trump-Russia conspiracies is possibly on its way to nominating one of the biggest communist sympathizers in modern times as its candidate.

If this is the best Republicans have, Bernie has this locked.

 

[Drawdown]

If this is the best Republicans have, Bernie has this locked.

Locked out for certain. The democratic party is pooping bricks he is going to cost them both the presidency and the house.

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