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Most of The World Could Be 100% Powered With Renewables by 2050

Lord of Planar said:
What is the reasoning behind hydroelectric as non-renewable? It's natural and more reliable than wind!
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I think its dumb as well. I can only speculate it has to do with electric generation markets, currently their is two separate market places one for renewables and one for non-renewables. The pricing structures are different and renewables get more favorable prices whiles non-renewables don't. So its a price control to help push the renewable resources for investors.
 
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[h=1]Cambridge academic caught on plane with £100,000 in a box of chocolates jailed over £2.8m green energy scam[/h][FONT=&quot]From The Telegraph By Jamie Merrill 21 December 2018 • 8:28pm A Cambridge academic who stole £1m from a government green-energy project has been jailed for four years. Dr Ehsan Abdi-Jalebi, 37, was stopped by Border Force officers at Heathrow with £100,000 in cash in a Thorntons Continental chocolate box as he boarded a flight to…
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For every one who is caught, how many do something similar but don't get caught I wonder?

Climate science research money is out there... In the billions... It gets used for irresponsible science and otherwise by irresponsible people.
 
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[h=1]Carbon dioxide emissions from the U.S. power sector have declined 28% since 2005[/h][FONT=&quot]From EIA From December 17 through December 31, Today in Energy will feature a selection of our favorite articles from 2018. Today’s article was originally published on October 29. EIA’s forecast for energy-related CO2 emissions was detailed in another article. Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, U.S. Energy-Related Carbon Dioxide Emissions, 2017 U.S. electric power sector…
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Lord of Planar said:
For every one who is caught, how many do something similar but don't get caught I wonder?

Climate science research money is out there... In the billions... It gets used for irresponsible science and otherwise by irresponsible people.
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Your comprehension skills really are appalling. This story was about a green energy scam, not climate science research. Not only do words have meaning, but so do sentences and paragraphs!
 
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Your comprehension skills really are appalling. This story was about a green energy scam, not climate science research. Not only do words have meaning, but so do sentences and paragraphs!
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Given that clearly there are corrupt people involved in green energy, as in all aspects of life, how do you know that they don't use some of this sort of practice to get the backing from scientists who are not at all used to seeing tens of thousands of dollars?

Let's face it the sort of person who took the money and ran is also in the position to fund research by various scientists. He would be giving and expecting back handers.
 
New Report: Renewables indirectly make electricity MORE expensive, so ABC tells Australia the opposite


One big government agency quietly admits renewables make electricity more expensive, and another big gov media agency hides it.

The new AMEC report tells us renewables will make electricity prices go down a tiny 2% in the short run but make electricity more expensive in the long run due to forcing out cheap baseload players. What matters most to Australians — that we can expect our electricity costs to be 2% less than “obscene” for the next couple of years, or that the artificial transition we are forcing on the grid will indirectly make electricity more expensive?
Which message does the ABC headline? Say hello to Trivia!

Renewables set to drive down power prices, new AEMC analysis shows
The ABC is essentially a taxpayer funded advertising machine for the renewables industry.
A flood of new renewable energy projects is likely to drive down household electricity bills, according to new analysis by government policy adviser the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC).
On a national basis, household bills are set to fall by 2.1 per cent — but price falls in the eastern states and South Australia are offset by increases in Western Australia, the Northern Territory and the ACT.
We pay the ABC three million dollars a day so they can parrot press releases. Unpaid bloggers only had to read to paragraph 24 to find the report says that the renewable subsidy may lead to higher wholesale prices (page V, summary, para 24). The qualification “may” applies to the renewable schemes that don’t “incentivize investment in firming technology”. In other words the “may” might as well be a “must” in Australia. There are no cheap options for “firming technology” that the RET is not actively forcing out of the market.
There’s always a way to blame coal:

The price reductions will go some way to reversing big power bill hikes driven by increased cost and market volatility driven by the retirement of two brown coal power stations — Northern at Port Augusta in SA, and Hazelwood in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley.
Look what happens when renewables increase and coal decreases…
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The big picture is all a bit complicated for big-welfare-journalists. See the graph above. The carbon tax increased the price. The closure of coal plants increased the price. Renewables have increased through the whole duration of this graph and so has the price. What will make electricity cheaper … ABC says “renewables”. Sure.
In the long run, renewables increase the cost of electricity three different ways:

Firstly the subsidy itself costs money, secondly it indirectly it drives out reliable, cheap supply, then thirdly, it adds an unreliable supply that makes the other generators on the grid less efficient and higher in cost too.
The direct costs of the large-scale renewable energy target (LRET) are included in the environmental component of the cost stack. However it is important to also recognise the indirect impact of this policy. The LRET provides incentives for increased quantities of renewable generation to enter the market, even when demand is flat or falling. This is because the revenue that these intermittent generators receive from the scheme is additional to that available.

Over time, to the extent to which the LRET contributes to the exit of thermal generation but does not incentivise investment in firming technologies, it may result in a tighter supply-demand balance and lead to higher wholesale prices. from the wholesale market and the LGC penalty price is higher than the expected long-run cost of investing in new intermittent generation. . . .
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Interesting documentary about how renewables are starting to outcompete fossil fuels. Thanks to communities, governments, corporations and individuals leading the way.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/breakthrough-renewable-energy/



People are also starting to organizing and making their voices heard. Like for example that thousands of students are now participating in school strike across the globe demanding action on climate change.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ounder-greta-thunberg-tells-un-climate-summit

You also have climate demonstration sall across the world. For example that 65,000 particapated in Belgium’s biggest ever climate demonstration this month.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2018/1...-belgiums-biggest-ever-climate-demonstration/
 
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What sort of a wingnut do you have to be to compare scrap solar panels with nuclear waste and reference the Heartland Institute? :lamo Only on Watt's joke science site do you find this sort of idiocy! :roll:
 
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What sort of a wingnut do you have to be to compare scrap solar panels with nuclear waste and reference the Heartland Institute? :lamo Only on Watt's joke science site do you find this sort of idiocy! :roll:
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Perhaps you should focus on the data rather than defaulting immediately to an ad hominem.

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[h=1]The Hendy Wind Farm Scandal[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest post by Robert Owens (where ‘saving the planet’ from climate change trumps democracy and the protection of the environment) A brief summary of the history of this national scandal, involving the brushing aside of local democracy and the blatant flaunting of planning law: 1. In 2014 Hendy Wind Farm Ltd. applied for planning permission…
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Bergslagstroll said:
Interesting documentary about how renewables are starting to outcompete fossil fuels. Thanks to communities, governments, corporations and individuals leading the way.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/breakthrough-renewable-energy/



People are also starting to organizing and making their voices heard. Like for example that thousands of students are now participating in school strike across the globe demanding action on climate change.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ounder-greta-thunberg-tells-un-climate-summit

You also have climate demonstration sall across the world. For example that 65,000 particapated in Belgium’s biggest ever climate demonstration this month.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2018/1...-belgiums-biggest-ever-climate-demonstration/
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6c/kWhr is still generally more than coal.

It is also only availible when the sun shines.

Getting there but..
 
Surface Detail said:
What sort of a wingnut do you have to be to compare scrap solar panels with nuclear waste and reference the Heartland Institute? :lamo Only on Watt's joke science site do you find this sort of idiocy! :roll:
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Materials from solar panels can also be recycled and reused. While nuclear waste have to be safely stored for thousands of years. There many countries like USA lack solutions for long term storage of nuclear waste. So nuclear power is like building a house without a toilet.

You also don’t get accidents like this one from solar panel waste. That the American military ended up with a 2 billion dollars nuclear waste cleanup, just because they used the wrong type of kitty litter.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/kitty-litter-nuclear-waste-accident-2016-8?r=US&IR=T

With nuclear power you also have huge risk from operating the nuclear plants. There for example the Fukushima accident is expected to cost 180 billion dollars.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38131248
 
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You should of course have a debate about what places are suited for wind power. Still wind power can’t be compared with fossil fuels.

For example that entire villages and landscapes are destroyed to give way for coal mines. That thousands of people have been forced from their homes just in Germany because of coal mining.

German Court to Rule on Property Rights in Brown Coal Mining Dispute - SPIEGEL ONLINE

While fracking is so disruptive that even Rex Tillerson have sued to stop fracking operations close to his home.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...x-tillerson-oil-ceo-and-secretary-state-pick/

You also for example have the Deepwater Horizon accident with it’s devastating environmental impacts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_the_Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill
 
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Bergslagstroll said:
You should of course have a debate about what places are suited for wind power. Still wind power can’t be compared with fossil fuels.

For example that entire villages and landscapes are destroyed to give way for coal mines. That thousands of people have been forced from their homes just in Germany because of coal mining.

German Court to Rule on Property Rights in Brown Coal Mining Dispute - SPIEGEL ONLINE

While fracking is so disruptive that even Rex Tillerson have sued to stop fracking operations close to his home.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...x-tillerson-oil-ceo-and-secretary-state-pick/

You also for example have the Deepwater Horizon accident with it’s devastating environmental impacts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_the_Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill
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You are correct. Wind power cannot be compared to fossil fuels. Fossil fuels have brought prosperity, health and a better life to billions of people. Wind power has not.
 
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Very likely but [it] will not. We are a for-profit culture and oil is the big profit center.

Western civilizations worship of money and profits, will delay renewables for as long as they can.

This will and mark my words, western civilization will make sure humans burn every single drop of oil

the plutocrats will force upon society.

Blogroids, the world, the oil, life itself...is for a profit. Nothing else matters.

Get on board or go to jail...or die.
 
Pedestrian said:
Very likely but [it] will not. We are a for-profit culture and oil is the big profit center.

Western civilizations worship of money and profits, will delay renewables for as long as they can.

This will and mark my words, western civilization will make sure humans burn every single drop of oil

the plutocrats will force upon society.

Blogroids, the world, the oil, life itself...is for a profit. Nothing else matters.

Get on board or go to jail...or die.
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Or people just choose not to voluntarily impoverish themselves over vastly over hyped green guilt. Perhaps they are fed up being branded heretics by the church of AGW because they ask too many questions about why they should continue to hate themselves and their comfortable Western lifestyles ? Its why it has almost ceased to register as serious concern in those lives anymore.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Even Republican coal states like Indiana are replacing coal with renewable energy.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ev...are-cheaper-than-existing-coal-plants/540242/

Renewables are also for exampe starting to outcompete fossil fuel in for example India.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energy...ts-more-than-new-wind-and-solar/#441790864c0f
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Absolutely. And that has to do with logistics as well. But they won't replace all of it with renewable.

I commented on this before, and now I forget the numbers. They are planing to replace coal plants past their retirement already, with a little over 700 megawatts. Problem is, for a continuous grid, that's all they can add. The plan on retraining by that time something like 8.1 gigawatts of coal power by 2028 if I recall correctly, and they cannot replace it all with renewable energy. The rest will likely be natural gas.
 
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