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More Guns, more problems

Aberration said:
Having electricity increases your risk of fires. Having a bath tub and running water increases your risk of drowning.
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Do you get electricity to reduce the risk of fires ?


Kitchen fires. They can’t happen without a source of ignition.
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No fire can exist without a source of ignition
What a stupid comment.
 
jet57 said:
Right, and how many kids get shot in the head by an oven? Know any?
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You are correct. Ovens do not shoot kids in the head, and guns do not light houses on fire.

If our goal is to reduce gun-related deaths, then banning guns will do this. If our goal is to reduce the number of house fires, then banning ovens will do this. There is no logical difference between these two statements. The only difference between you and I is that you feel outlawing one dangerous thing to prevent children from dying but not another is rational.
 
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lwf said:
You are correct. Ovens do not shoot kids in the head, and guns do not light houses on fire.
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So, you find holding a gun in your hand to be as valuable as having an oven in your kitchen, do ya?
 
calamity said:
So, you find holding a gun in your hand to be as valuable as having an oven in your kitchen, do ya?
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No I don't. But I also don't assume the authority to tell others what they should value and what they shouldn't when things that I value are just as, or more, dangerous.
 
lwf said:
No I don't. But I also don't assume the authority to tell others what they should value and what they shouldn't when things that I value are just as, or more, dangerous.
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A gun blew out a four-year-old's brains. Let that sink in.
 
calamity said:
A gun blew out a four-year-old's brains. Let that sink in.
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A terrible tragedy. As horrific and upsetting a death as any four-year-old who dies in a car accident.
 
Rich2018 said:
But a significant number can be prevented by gun control.
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True. There are an enormous number of things a society can outlaw to prevent human tragedy. But we also like keep our freedom to do things like drink alcohol and own firearms. It is wise to regulate these things where appropriate, like making it illegal for a child to buy alcohol or a firearm. It is unnecessary to ban them outright for everyone based solely on the fact that they can potentially be dangerous when misused.
 
calamity said:
Here we go...

Boy, 4, shot dead

Like I always say, gun in the home vastly increases the odds that someone in that home will die.

Let's find out how this tyke died.



Kids playing, gun fires...someone dies. It figures.
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You found a dead body to climb on! How nice for you!
 
lwf said:
True. There are an enormous number of things a society can outlaw to prevent human tragedy. But we also like keep our freedom to do things like drink alcohol and own firearms.
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Drinking alcohol has, I suspect, more adherents than gun ownership so be careful how you use the term "we"


It is wise to regulate these things where appropriate, like making it illegal for a child to buy alcohol or a firearm. It is unnecessary to ban them outright for everyone based solely on the fact that they can potentially be dangerous when misused.
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Indeed

That's why Australia and the UK passed gun control legislation in the aftermath of mass shootings where the potential for (deadly) misuse had been comprehensively proven.
 
Rich2018 said:
Having a gun in the home makes you statistically LESS safe.
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Having one at home makes me feel good. Having more than one makes me feel fantastic. :gunsmilie
 
Rich2018 said:
Do you get electricity to reduce the risk of fires ?




No fire can exist without a source of ignition
What a stupid comment.
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No I do not have electricity to reduce my risk of fires. Having electricity increases the risk of fires.

How can fire exist without a source of ignition?
 
calamity said:
So, you find holding a gun in your hand to be as valuable as having an oven in your kitchen, do ya?
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Depends on the situation.

If I am killing varmints in the garden, hunting, or protecting my family from a(n) intruder(s). I would find a gun in my hand more valuable than an oven in my kitchen.
Now if I am baking a cake, heating up lasagna, or making Shrinky Dinks. The oven in my kitchen is more valuable in those moments than a gun would be.
 
lwf said:
You are correct. Ovens do not shoot kids in the head, and guns do not light houses on fire.

If our goal is to reduce gun-related deaths, then banning guns will do this. If our goal is to reduce the number of house fires, then banning ovens will do this. There is no logical difference between these two statements. The only difference between you and I is that you feel outlawing one dangerous thing to prevent children from dying but not another is rational.
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The false equivalency just knocks me out.
 
Chillfolks said:
Depends on the situation.

If I am killing varmints in the garden, hunting, or protecting my family from a(n) intruder(s). I would find a gun in my hand more valuable than an oven in my kitchen.
Now if I am baking a cake, heating up lasagna, or making Shrinky Dinks. The oven in my kitchen is more valuable in those moments than a gun would be.
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The four-year-old shot in the head didn’t burn to death. Just saying.
 
Rich2018 said:
Drinking alcohol has, I suspect, more adherents than gun ownership so be careful how you use the term "we"





Indeed

That's why Australia and the UK passed gun control legislation in the aftermath of mass shootings where the potential for (deadly) misuse had been comprehensively proven.
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And yet since the passing of those gun control legislation, more people are murdered in the UK then before the legislation passed. Contrast that with the US were less people are murdered now then the years before those regulations in the UK were passed.
 
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