Miss Michigan stripped of title for being a Conservative.

[dobieg]

The "typical liberal treatment".
I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

It sounded more nefarious so I ran with it.


By the way, did you ever do any fishing on the Bay when you lived back here?

 

[JMR]

Conservatives seem to love to be victims lately.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Of course "leftists" aren't in charge of the pageant. The governing body of the pageant is and she violated their rules:



Who Is Kathy Zhu? Trump-supporting Model Stripped of Miss Michigan Title Over 'Racist, Islamophobic, and Insensitive' Posts

Their pageant, their rules. Like any other private organization.

Apparently not!!

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[TurtleDude]

It doesn't matter. The right has no future. None.

Automation will be the end of capitalism. The country and globe will continue to diversify and intermix. Racists will continue to be marginalized and ostracized because society needs civility to function. There's no future for your way of thinking.

this is interesting-you seamlessly shift from right to racist. Automation will be the end of unions and blue collar jobs. How that hurts capitalism is interesting. Racism has as many adherents on the left as the right. Hating capitalism seems to me to be something other than "slightly liberal".

 

[beefheart]

How about when someone is "Hired" to represent a brand, and then decides to use the platform for other causes?

Exactly....conservatives are all for companies upholding the rules on firing...until they aren't.

She is a beauty queen, she should be tweeting about puppies and sunshine and how she did a ribbon cutting at Kroger's. She is representing a brand, and she failed, time to be personally responsible for your screw up...

 

[TurtleDude]

Conservatives seem to love to be victims lately.

We should undertake a study of which side spends more time looking to find offense or to pretend to be offended.

 

[sangha]

No, but I think it is something an asshole would say. Who's blaming someone in the first place? Is there some universally accepted representative for all black people running around blaming others for black crime somewhere? Who are they?

It sounds like she's standing around on a corner yelling at any black person that goes by.
If Twitter didn't exist, that's what it would amount to.
Does she spout this nonsense at parties when black people are around, too?

If a person acts like an asshole, they're going to be treated like one.

Of course it's racist. She said that, unlike every other ethnic group, black people should solve crimes without help from the police and they should STFU until they do

 

[JMR]

She brought up that fact to make a point. But given that this fact applies to all ethnicities her point is illogical. Do you understand logic?

Her argument goes like this <some fact about Blacks > --> <conclusion about Blacks>
But the truth is <some fact about Blacks> is true for all ethnic groups. So her conclusion would have to apply to all ethnic groups including her own.

Was it part of her job description as Miss Michigan to post her observations on Twitter or wherever? Conservative posters here are way out on the victim limb.

 

[Gina]

true enough but one can debate, honestly, whether what she did violated their rules

Absolutely true. The governing body, has nothing to do with "leftists" though. They have a business to run and protect. In the quoted statement, they feel she violated their terms:

in violation of MWA's Rules and Conditions, specifically the contestant requirement of 'being of good character and whose background is not likely to bring into disrepute Miss World America or any person associated with the organisation'."

Who Is Kathy Zhu? Trump-supporting Model Stripped of Miss Michigan Title Over 'Racist, Islamophobic, and Insensitive' Posts

In the end they get to decide.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Not only can they do that, they can also call out Trump on stage and not a damn thing happens to them.


Of course because they're liberals.



Miss America Contestant Madeline Collins Slams Trump

Oh damn, I've been caught!!!

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[SonOfDaedalus]

A white person is also more likely to be killed by a black than the reverse. and the cases of blacks raping white women is many times higher than white men raping black women. More than half of the murders in the USA are perpetrated by blacks yet they are 13% of the popelation, and since black women don't kill many nor do black males under 13 years of age or over 45 years of age, you are looking at a group that makes up less than 4% of the population, committing more than half the murders. What does that tell you?

I don't know, what does it tell you? Blacks are genetically predisposed to crime? Is that your conclusions? It tells me you're a racist making racist arguments. No wonder you defend her.

I won't bother to explain it to you but you're missing a ton of facts. You're missing the effects of drug prohibition. When it was alcohol prohibition Chicago was full of White Italian, Irish and even Jewish gangs committing a lot of crime. Now that it's drug prohibition you have the same issue in Chicago with Blacks. Moreover, the poorer group will always have higher crime rates. A rich person has no incentive to rob you or break into your home or sell drugs. Surely, you realize this? I can go deeper and explain these statistics to you but it's a waste of my time.

I suggest you find your local community college and take a good course in statistics.

 

[dobieg]

It doesn't matter. The right has no future. None.

Automation will be the end of capitalism. The country and globe will continue to diversify and intermix. Racists will continue to be marginalized and ostracized because society needs civility to function. There's no future for your way of thinking.

Cool. So our standard of living will go down as every 3rd world country's standard of living will go up and everyone can live equal in the liberal's Utopian wet dream of everyone living in ****.

 

[TurtleDude]

Absolutely true. The governing body, has nothing to do with "leftists" though. They have a business to run and protect. In the quoted statement, they feel she violated their terms:



Who Is Kathy Zhu? Trump-supporting Model Stripped of Miss Michigan Title Over 'Racist, Islamophobic, and Insensitive' Posts

In the end they get to decide.

true, but I think she may have grounds for a suit based on a breech of contract. Trump ought to give her a million and a contract in one of his hotels and make the whole thing go away

 

[dobieg]

Conservatives seem to love to be victims lately.

It seems to be trendy nowadays to whine so I'm giving it a whirl.

 

[sangha]

Members of the modern left in the U.S., the dominant members of whom have become puritans, but, rather insane ones.

Like all extremist movements without a limiting principle, they will eventually eat their own to the point where it exhausts itself, but, not before it's done serious damage.

If you don't like it, you can go back to wherever it is you came from

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't know, what does it tell you? Blacks are genetically predisposed to crime? Is that your conclusions? It tells me you're a racist making racist arguments. No wonder you defend her.

I won't bother to explain it to you but you're missing a ton of facts. You're missing the effects of drug prohibition. When it was alcohol prohibition Chicago was full of White Italian, Irish and even Jewish gangs committing a lot of crime. Now that it's drug prohibition you have the same issue in Chicago with Blacks. Moreover, the poorer group will always have higher crime rates. A rich person has no incentive to rob you or break into your home. Surely, you realize this? I can go deeper and explain these statistics to you but it's a waste of my time.

I suggest you find your local community college and take a good course in statistics.

When I see people like you calling others racist, I realize your arguments are bankrupt and you have nothing rational to contribute. I suggest you don't want to discuss educational resumes with me

 

[maxparrish]

Seems kind of central to the story. She says it was because she refused to wear a hijab but the organizers say it was because of "Your social media accounts contain offensive, insensitive and inappropriate content,”
You don't really have a point without quotes from her social media accounts, do you.

Excuse us? An absence of evidence of ANY wrongdoing is, by definition, a smear. If no one can find the evidence, there is no case.

 

[Nap]

The majority in question is power and white people includes the US, EU, Russia and others. Chinese people will never be the majority power.

I wouldn't use absolutes. Just as nuclear weapons happened to develop in the west, the next leap could very well happen in China as they continue to gain ground economically.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

It sounded more nefarious so I ran with it.


By the way, did you ever do any fishing on the Bay when you lived back here?

Which bay...Atlantic Beach?
Of course but my uncle was actually the real fisherman in the family.
The Wicked Tuna guys tried to convince him to be part of the show for a long time but he wouldn't take the bait, not at age 78.

The entire sport fishing community in that area showed up at his funeral, I'm talking about almost 500 extra people.

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[TurtleDude]

Honestly, as a lawyer, you should know this, but, conveniently you ignore legalities when you disagree with them.

I don't think what she said meets the standards for being controversial. and other contestants have said stuff that was equally or MORE controversial

I also believe that there is value in discussing intolerance beyond the contractual realities of this matter.

 

[JMR]

Naw.


Sounds more like an intolerant, militant Muslim was so distraught she couldn't force another minority to wear her symbol of oppression that she organized a protest to get Zhu kicked out of school. And when some liberal snowflakes on the state and national committees caught wind of it along with a single factually correct post on black crime rates, she got the typical liberal treatment.

Is a yamulka a symbol of oppression? How about a turban? A cross?

 

[ecofarm]

I wouldn't use absolutes. Just as nuclear weapons happened to develop in the west, the next leap could very well happen in China as they continue to gain ground economically.

Fallout sufficient to lower the Western world and Russia would consume all. China never has more carriers.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

true, but I think she may have grounds for a suit based on a breech of contract.

Now THAT I can agree with. The pageant people sound awfully sloppy, and maybe indeed a wee bit biased.
I just refuse to elevate it to the level of some leftist plot.
And when you guys try to claim that ALL LEFTIES act this way, it sounds idiotic, but I sense you smelled blood in the water and this is a feeding frenzy.

 

[cpwill]

Let me try again and see if I can make it clear to you.

Facts:

Members of group A are far more likely to be killed by other members of group A
Members of group B are far more likely to be killed by other members of group B
Members of group C are far more likely to be killed by other members of group C

Given these facts what conclusion can I make regarding group A that doesn't also apply to group B and C?

I'll make it easy for you, none. There is no logical conclusion given these facts.

You are getting confused. Here, I'll make it simpler for you.


This:

Have you ever talked to KKK members or White Supremacists?

yup.

That's their favorite stat.

I've also talked with radical Islamist terrorists, people who literally murder innocents. Their favorite Kunyas all start with "son of" or "father of", just as you have.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE A TERRORIST, SON OF DAEDALUS. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE A TERRORIST, WHY DID YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT TERRORISTS ALSO SAY?!?!?

Is me responding to you and pointing out the ridiculousness of the logic that, because two people have said something similar, each must share the most odious characteristics of the other. You yourself in this very thread have repeated "Their Favorite Stat". That doesn't make you an equivalent of a KKK Member.


This:

if ever ethnicity has 4 to 5 times higher rates of violence by members of their own race, why single Blacks out?

Well, if I was responding to the claim that violence against whites was overwhelmingly by blacks (as, for example, I have while talking to the aforementioned white supremacists), then I would definitely pull out the statistics as they relates to whites. If I was responding to claims that blacks are uniquely victimized by white violence, then I would pull out the statistics as they relate to blacks.

Is me responding to your argument regarding Groups A, B, and C, above.

Though I find it entertaining that you attempted to repeat my own logic back to me (namely, that the stats said roughly the same about whites as they said about blacks in terms of what ethnicity is most likely to be the abuser when someone suffers violence - the same as that of the victim) as though you were proving a point, this is you attempting to conflate two separate claims.




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When I point out that you yourself reject your own logic when it is presented to you here:

Have you ever talked to KKK members or White Supremacists?

yup.

That's their favorite stat.

I've also talked with radical Islamist terrorists, people who literally murder innocents. Their favorite Kunyas all start with "son of" or "father of", just as you have.

YOU ARE JUST LIKE A TERRORIST, SON OF DAEDALUS. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE A TERRORIST, WHY DID YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT TERRORISTS ALSO SAY?!?!?

LOL. I don't need to say anything. Your argument speaks for itself

Precisely. The logic you put forth is so obviously broken that, as soon as you are shown its results, you see the flaws.

We are obviously talking about your previous claims regarding whether or not simply saying something similar to someone else means that you automatically share their odious characteristics. You aren't the moral equivalent of a member of the KKK simply because you "repeated their favorite stat" on this board, any more than this young lady is.

 

[JMR]

Social media policy.....beauty queens aren't supposed to be controversial.

You would think that obvious, no? But the victim squad needed a new victim today it appears.