Miss Michigan stripped of title for being a Conservative.

[JMR]

I am amazed how some of the news shows-Fox most obviously but some of the others too, can find an "expert" be it on the reproductive cycles of manatees to Formula One Engine restrictions and the expert looks like she worked as a Ford Agency Model.

I guess it keeps some viewers tuned in. Maybe one or two are actually expert.

 

[TurtleDude]

I guess it keeps some viewers tuned in. Maybe one or two are actually expert.

the funny thing is most of them seem pretty well educated in the field they are designated as expert in. and most of them have doctorates in the subject.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Racist breath air.. conclusion.. all air breathers are racist.

Can someone check if SonOfDaedalus is a fish?
Because I'm starting to sense a bias.

Racist are dumb. It's a waste of time arguing logic with racists. If they could understand logical arguments they wouldn't be racists.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You're Billy Joel? :lol:

Oh my Gawd please...

I'd be thrilled if I could be THIS guy:



Or this guy:

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Billy Joel is a flaming no talent hack who came up with some clever lyrics for a couple of songs.
He can't play the piano for **** and lately most of his stuff sounds like kvetching set to music.
The piano is a PROP for him.

 

[JMR]

I oppose affirmative action when it is based on "black disadvantaged" "white advantaged" "Asian advantaged"

I liked having a diverse class in terms of skills and strengths. My suite my senior year had the following. A guy who was a computer major and had two legs towards GrandMaster in Chess. A guy who was a brilliant speaker, and ended up being the US Attorney General, as well as a Supreme Court Clerk. A guy who was a professional level dancer and league champion in gymnastics-now he is a shrink dealing with eating disorders among dancers and gymnasts and models. A guy who graduated HS at 17, enlisted in the marines for a couple years, and was growing weed in a shower that didn't work. A guy who was the son of a labor organizer in Scranton, PA-sadly this fellow died of Colon cancer at age 29 and a guy who was the quintessential pre-med science nerd. Me, I was very active politically and was on three different teams and realized being number one board on my HS chess team didn't cut it playing a guy with a rating over 2400.

I learned from all those guys. We all had very different interests and strengths. Notice, I don't mention their ethnicity. It is not something that was relevant that.

Might the ethnicity be relevant, or tolerable, if a woman organized a day care in her neighborhood and maintained an A average in HS but due to not paying a tutor had average SAT scores? She obviously had no time to play chess or compete in Internation fencing...but perhaps some day that would be in her repertoire? Would she bring anything to the table?

 

[TurtleDude]

I find it difficult to believe anyone has ever found Ann Coulter attractive.

I met her a few times. her smoking and the fact she smelled of smoke was a major turn off

 

[cpwill]

I did answer your question.

Actually, you didn't

See, what I asked was:

Is a yamulka a symbol of oppression? How about a turban? A cross?

I dunno. Do women in countries dominated by those religious ever get acid thrown in their face, beaten, or executed, for the crime of not wearing one?

Which pretty immediately gets to the point of whether or not the Hijab is a symbol of oppression for hundreds of millions of women around the world.

It's a fairly easy question. You could have responded with "Yes" or "No", or "Yes, and in these countries [followed by a sourced list of the nations involved]"

Instead of answering the question, you stated:

The atrocities that occur in other countries are not equal to women in this country who choose to wear religious symbols. Or men who choose to wear religious symbols.

which is an attempt to say that, because we have greater individual liberty in this country, oppressive symbols somehow lose their symbolism once they get her.


Your response to that seems more than a bit off-base:

You are making the case that the Hijab is a hateful symbol equal to the Swastika?

since What I am clearly pointing out instead is that your logic of "symbols of oppression elsewhere cease to be symbols of oppression once they come to America Because Freedom" produces results I think we can all agree are bizzare and wrong. No one thinks that a swastika flag at a white nationalist rally is anything but a symbol of an oppressive regime, just because we have never- actually rounded up and mass-murdered Jews in the United States. My argument never premised moral equality between the Hijab and the Swastika - it premised that they were both symbols.

Now, this:

True that Burka and Hijab have been used to oppress women.

Is an actual response to my original question. You are correct, it has been, and continues to be, used to oppress women on a massive scale around the globe, and there is nothing wrong with identifying it as such, and refusing to partake as a result.

FYI, I am totally in support of laws requiring women to be bareheaded for passport or ID photos. I would support public schools eliminating hijabs as part of the dress code.
If an adult woman chooses to wear one, I really don't care.

same. I would even extend that logic and argue that, if an adult woman chooses not to wear one, that is not only equally fine, but furthermore that identifying that act as racist is ridiculous, hyperbolic, and harmful, as it means the charge of racism will be taken less seriously in the future.

 

[Oborosen]

Racist are dumb. It's a waste of time arguing logic with racists. If they could understand logical arguments they wouldn't be racists.

You do realize that argument alone is illogical, correct?

Just because you say that someone is dumb, racist, or even illogical itself. Does not indeed make it so. One has to actually supply some form of concrete proof to the matter, in order for the claim to be valid.

Just saying, this group does, or thinks it as well. Is nothing more than a coincidence at best, and shouldn't be used as a base claim to paint such a wide swath. Because you could fall prey to such claims as easily as you make them.

 

[JMR]

the funny thing is most of them seem pretty well educated in the field they are designated as expert in. and most of them have doctorates in the subject.

Perhaps there has been affirmative action for pretty women? Oh wait.......lol

 

[beefheart]

I don't think what she said meets the standards for being controversial. and other contestants have said stuff that was equally or MORE controversial

I also believe that there is value in discussing intolerance beyond the contractual realities of this matter.

Of course you don't...but you aren't a beauty queen with a social media contract are you?

Think some more.

 

[truthatallcost]

Wow. She's really hot. Just sayin'

She's welcome to do the swimsuit portion of the contest, even if she can't compete in it :lol:

 

[cpwill]

Oh my Gawd please...

I'd be thrilled if I could be THIS guy:

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Or this guy:

Who are those guys?

 

[JMR]

I met her a few times. her smoking and the fact she smelled of smoke was a major turn off

Did the smoke smell come before of after the hateful soul? I once heard the devil stinks of smoke.

 

[beefheart]

Billy Joel is a flaming no talent hack who came up with some clever lyrics for a couple of songs.
He can't play the piano for **** and lately most of his stuff sounds like kvetching set to music.
The piano is a PROP for him.

A freaking men.

Hate that sack of warm garbage putting out nothing but dreck....

 

[cpwill]

What argument have I made against another race

You have posted, multiple times, the claim that blacks victims of violence are overwhelmingly the victim of black perpetrators.

YOU have also identified the act of repeating this claim as indicative of sharing the KKK's beliefs.

Either accept that you share the KKK's beliefs, or accept that your logic is flawed.




You will do neither, mind you, because partisanship and disdain for the Other is more emotionally rewarding than intellectual consistency.

 

[Condor060]

That's your irrational argument. Sharing the beliefs Hitler has about pets is not equivalent to sharing his beliefs about Jews. This woman shares the beliefs of White Supremacists about Blacks and crime. That's a significant shared belief.

And in this one statement is your problem. First off, she wasn't sharing her belief. She was stating a statistical fact. She was arguing with a person who tried to convince her about how blacks were being murdered by cops. She is a fairly intelligent girl and knew her argument based on the actual statistics.

For example, in Philadelphia’s safest police district, which is approximately 85% White, no one was reported killed by gun violence. In the most violent district, with a roughly 90% Black population, there were 189 shooting victims and 40 deaths (Philadelphia Police Department, 2017). The homicide rate for Black Americans in all 50 states is, on average, eight times higher than that of Whites (CDC, 2017). In general, Black people specifically are 500 times more likely to die this way. Importantly, most urban areas, especially those that experience the most gun violence, are characterized by poverty, inequality, and racial segregation.

Gun Violence and the Minority Experience | National Council on Family Relations

So now that you know the actual facts, it will be your belief that the statistics are true. Does this mean your a racist?

 

[cpwill]

A freaking men.

Hate that sack of warm garbage putting out nothing but dreck....

Stop the Thread.


So, I enjoy Billy Joel music because I love the integration of Piano into a rock sound.


If you people are telling me there is a consistent integration of Piano into the rock sound an order of magnitude better than Billy Joel,


...Then that is far more important than the end of western civilization's tolerance for diversity of thought, and the resulting violence between belief-factions that will probably eventually result.



Links, please?

 

[TurtleDude]

Might the ethnicity be relevant, or tolerable, if a woman organized a day care in her neighborhood and maintained an A average in HS but due to not paying a tutor had average SAT scores? She obviously had no time to play chess or compete in Internation fencing...but perhaps some day that would be in her repertoire? Would she bring anything to the table?

I will repeat a post-as best I can recall, that fully explains my views on the subject of "affirmative action".

I will explain it from my perspective as once having been the head coach and acting head coach of a major league D-I college team. I will use tennis since it is easier to explain-I also was an Asst coach of the school's women's team

I have one slot left to use my "coach's request" for a student. I am looking at two tennis players. Player #1 is ranked in the top 25 in the country. He goes to a private school that has the best team in the state. He has an indoor facility to practice in, and in addition to his HS coach, he has a private coach that works with him year round. His father, a former pro-takes him all over the country, so his ranking is as high as it can be.

The second kid comes from a lower middle class background. He is #1 on a very good inner city team. He is the state champion but his national ranking is not very good, because he cannot afford to travel all over the country and participating in ranking events. He doesn't have a private coach or club, but his father, a good HS player, works with him on the public courts near their home and his HS coach, gives him some private lessons

Now who do I pick? The kid with the high national ranking? but he probably won't get much better playing for a top DI school. Now the other kid, if he can play daily, with really good players, and with top coaches-well he might be the better athlete, and once he gets that training, he might end up being better than the kid who is pretty well maxed out. So I choose the second boy for the slot the admissions office gave me.

Now that is the sort of "affirmative action" that I can get behind.

Sadly, what I saw in college, grad school and law school, were wealthy black kids who went to schools such as Exeter academy, St Pauls, or Cincinnati Saint Xavier, who got into top schools and when they got there, they didn't do all that well. But they still got into places like Harvard Law, Cornell Law, Yale Medical School or Chicago MBA over white kids who may have had more humble backgrounds and who made far more of the opportunities in college.

 

[TurtleDude]

Did the smoke smell come before of after the hateful soul? I once heard the devil stinks of smoke.

I never got THAT close.

 

[Condor060]

Good Times wasn't bad.

Yep forgot that one.

 

[Dick Tornado]

black on black crime is a valid argument for anyone who gets tired of hearing whites blamed for every problem blacks have-problems that liberals use to justify higher taxes, reparations, affirmative action or gun restrictions.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Race/ethnicity

The majority of white violence / deaths is done by whites.

The majority of mass murders are done by whites.

Most mass shootings are done by whites.

The majority of hate crimes are done by whites.

Most murder / suicides are done by whites.

Maybe the whites should get their own house in order before they complain about someone else's.

It isn't safe to go to a Denny's, a synagogue or the mall. (Why don't the cops do something about these people?)

:hm

 

[TurtleDude]

Perhaps there has been affirmative action for pretty women? Oh wait.......lol

Of course there is. but some would claim it is a bona fide occupational requirement.

 

[JMR]

Actually, you didn't

See, what I asked was:



Which pretty immediately gets to the point of whether or not the Hijab is a symbol of oppression for hundreds of millions of women around the world.

It's a fairly easy question. You could have responded with "Yes" or "No", or "Yes, and in these countries [followed by a sourced list of the nations involved]"

Instead of answering the question, you stated:



which is an attempt to say that, because we have greater individual liberty in this country, oppressive symbols somehow lose their symbolism once they get her.


Your response to that seems more than a bit off-base:



since What I am clearly pointing out instead is that your logic of "symbols of oppression elsewhere cease to be symbols of oppression once they come to America Because Freedom" produces results I think we can all agree are bizzare and wrong. No one thinks that a swastika flag at a white nationalist rally is anything but a symbol of an oppressive regime, just because we have never- actually rounded up and mass-murdered Jews in the United States. My argument never premised moral equality between the Hijab and the Swastika - it premised that they were both symbols.

Now, this:



Is an actual response to my original question. You are correct, it has been, and continues to be, used to oppress women on a massive scale around the globe, and there is nothing wrong with identifying it as such, and refusing to partake as a result.



same. I would even extend that logic and argue that, if an adult woman chooses not to wear one, that is not only equally fine, but furthermore that identifying that act as racist is ridiculous, hyperbolic, and harmful, as it means the charge of racism will be taken less seriously in the future.

You seem to go to great lengths to prove I did not answer a question which you then conclude I answered.... I do not notice where I ever stated it was wrong to identify the hijab as a symbol of oppression. And of course I have never stated that refusal to wear one is racist. What I did state is that adult women who CHOOSE to wear a hijab as a religious statement are similar to men who CHOOSE to wear a yalmahka or a turban. Is your position so tenuous that you need to fabricate positions I have not taken?

 

[TurtleDude]

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Race/ethnicity

The majority of white violence / deaths is done by whites.

The majority of mass murders are done by whites.

Most mass shootings are done by whites.

The majority of hate crimes are done by whites.

Most murder / suicides are done by whites.

Maybe the whites should get their own house in order before they complain about someone else's.

It isn't safe to go to a Denny's, a synagogue or the mall. (Why don't the cops do something about these people?)

:hm

duh whites are the majority ethnic group. but the fact remains, whites-the majority race in the USA is not the source of the majority of murderers.