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Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

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Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

What do you think the abortion issue is about: saving "babies" or power?

According to a new poll, anti-abortion advocates tend to hold views that are hostile to gender equality. The Guardian’s Jill Filipovic says the results show that the anti-abortion movement is more concerned with controlling women’s bodies than they are about the “sanctity of life.”

The poll, conducted by Supermajority and PerryUndem, surveyed both pro-life and pro-choice advocates and asked them 10 questions related to gender equity. On every question, pro-life advocates were significantly more hostile to ideas surrounding gender equity than their pro-choice counterparts.

According to Filipovic, the survey is just another example of how opposition to abortion “is tied up in a whole knot of misogyny.”

A new survey shows what really interests 'pro-lifers': controlling women | Jill Filipovic | Opinion | The Guardian

“Women, according to more than three-quarters of anti-abortion survey respondents, “are too easily offended,'” Filipovic writes. “More than 70% of ‘pro-lifers’ in the survey agree that women interpret innocent remarks or acts as being sexist – women, in other words, are a touch hysterical and perhaps not to be trusted. While 82% of pro-choice respondents said that the country would be better off with more women in political office, just 34% of abortion opponents agreed.”

“It’s not about life,” Filipovic continued. “It’s about the fact that abortion is inexorably tied to women’s freedoms and female power. If women can’t decide for themselves when and whether to have children – if having sex can mean being forced into motherhood – women also won’t be able to decide our own futures. We know that being forced to continue a pregnancy makes women more likely to remain in poverty. It makes women more likely to remain in abusive relationships. It hurts their children. It makes women more likely to die.”

In 2015, the Christian research group LifeWay conducted a survey of women who’ve had abortions and found that 70 percent of them considered themselves Christians. Additionally, over 50 percent of the surveyed women kept their abortions secret from their church community. Roughly two thirds of the women surveyed said their pastor’s teachings on forgiveness did not apply to them, and over half believed that their church is out-of-touch when it comes to helping women understand their options when facing an unplanned pregnancy.
 
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I see truth there, but nothing that is very complimentary to men. (Not that that is a requirement to posting.)

I doubt many men think of it in that much depth...and it doesnt make them look very bright.

OTOH, what makes them look even 'less bright' is to place their negative, personal, judgmental venting about women ahead of their own best interests...since they are mostly the ones on the hook for 18 years of child support or fatherhood when women are not allowed elective abortions.
 
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Political perception of the real end result of everyone's wants when it comes to the abortion debate have made a real mess of things.

Pro-choice will claim pro-life is all about control and telling a woman what to do, pro-life will claim pro-choice is all about licenses to murder for convenience.

It is your basic extreme polarizing **** show for a debate that will never end no matter who gets their way for however long.
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

I see truth there, but nothing that is very complimentary to men. (Not that that is a requirement to posting.)

I doubt many men think of it in that much depth...and it doesnt make them look very bright.

OTOH, what makes them look even 'less bright' is to place their negative, personal, judgmental venting about women ahead of their own best interests...since they are mostly the ones on the hook for 18 years of child support or fatherhood when women are not allowed elective abortions.

Gee this is fairly sexist
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

Political perception of the real end result of everyone's wants when it comes to the abortion debate have made a real mess of things.

Pro-choice will claim pro-life is all about control and telling a woman what to do, pro-life will claim pro-choice is all about licenses to murder for convenience.

It is your basic extreme polarizing **** show for a debate that will never end no matter who gets their way for however long.

I'm pro-choice and my view is that it is about women's rights...and the effects the violations to our rights would have on women and society in general. Our rights to bodily sovereignty, self-determination, preserving our health and lives, due process, and privacy are all protected under the Constitution, yet pro-life supporters are willing to see these all violated in order to provide the same exact things to the unborn...at our expense. As if the unborn are "more deserving." They seem to value the unborn more than women who's behavior they disapprove of.

It's not possible to treat born and unborn equally under the law. (Or if it is, I'm still waiting to see that explained)
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

Gee this is fairly sexist

I said that that was how I read the OP and acknowledged that it was not very complimentary.

Altho the last paragraph is mine. Do you disagree with it? if so, how? Doesnt it make you scratch your head and wonder why?
 
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I said that that was how I read the OP and acknowledged that it was not very complimentary.

Altho the last paragraph is mine. Do you disagree with it? if so, how? Doesnt it make you scratch your head and wonder why?

I see truth there, but nothing that is very complimentary to men. (Not that that is a requirement to posting.)

I doubt many men think of it in that much depth...and it doesnt make them look very bright.

OTOH, what makes them look even 'less bright' is to place their negative, personal, judgmental venting about women ahead of their own best interests...since they are mostly the ones on the hook for 18 years of child support or fatherhood when women are not allowed elective abortions.

That is how you read the comment, and isn't your opinion?
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

There's no child support with 50-50 custody. Really bright men look at the next 50 years, not just the next 18.

I see truth there, but nothing that is very complimentary to men. (Not that that is a requirement to posting.)

I doubt many men think of it in that much depth...and it doesnt make them look very bright.

OTOH, what makes them look even 'less bright' is to place their negative, personal, judgmental venting about women ahead of their own best interests...since they are mostly the ones on the hook for 18 years of child support or fatherhood when women are not allowed elective abortions.
 
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That is how you read the comment, and isn't your opinion?

The OP was clearly misogynistic IMO.

And I stand by my comment that IMO, most men dont think of it in those terms (at that depth, which is what I wrote).

hey...feel free to post a poll if you think differently.
 
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Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

There's no child support with 50-50 custody. Really bright men look at the next 50 years, not just the next 18.

One would hope.
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

The OP was clearly misogynistic IMO.

And I stand by my comment that IMO, most men dont think of it in those terms (at that depth, which is what I wrote).

hey...feel free to post a poll if you think differently.

Your post was clearly sexist towards men... it does not take a poll or anything to display that fact.
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

Your post was clearly sexist towards men... it does not take a poll or anything to display that fact.

"Child support Child support Child support"

And here arrives Beetlejuice. (and no surprise)

LOL the OP was focused on male perspectives.

But feel free to show any part of my post that was not opinion solidly 'based on fact.'

Psssst! Good luck finding a post by a pro-life male on abortion that's not sexist.
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

Your post was clearly sexist towards men... it does not take a poll or anything to display that fact.

Hey, your enemy won't do you no harm
(Rap on) 'cause you'll know where she's comin' from
Don't let the handshake and the smile fool ya
Take my advice, I'm only tryin' to school ya
Smiling faces, smiling faces, sometimes
They don't tell the truth


 
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It seems men are well aware of the risks then, eh?

So then who's responsible for their behavior and their choices? Esp. if you consider women your enemy?
SDET said:
Hey, your enemy won't do you no harm
(Rap on) 'cause you'll know where she's comin' from

That belief, plus the risks taken anyway...er, I think I can stand my 'not so bright' for those that operate under that perspective.
 
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Most men are not aware of the risks. You can tell which men understand women by the ones that don't trust them one iota and prepare accordingly. A pre-wall woman can be lots of fun, but it can blow up in the guy's face any second. They are like driving down at two lane blacktop road at 100+ MPH.

Like a fast car, they are always replaceable.

It seems men are well aware of the risks then, eh?

So then who's responsible for their behavior and their choices? Esp. if you consider women your enemy?


That belief, plus the risks taken anyway...er, I think I can stand my 'not so bright' for those that operate under that perspective.
 
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Most men are not aware of the risks. You can tell which men understand women by the ones that don't trust them one iota and prepare accordingly.

All men in America know that they are responsible for child support or their share of raising a child they produce. And that the law and DNA make that very hard to avoid. And they receive education on birth control and it's % of effectiveness.

Believe me, I would love it if more men 'planned accordingly.' Why dont they?

Laws in other countries are not the same.
 
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Psssst! Good luck finding a post by a pro-life male on abortion that's not sexist.

So you are justified in being sexist against males because some men do it against females... good move.
 
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All men in America know that they are responsible for child support

Only because of the current laws which are not fair towards men...
 
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Men that don't invest in their children are fools. A man's kids, especially his sons, not his wife is his REAL life partner.

All men in America know that they are responsible for child support or their share of raising a child they produce. And that the law and DNA make that very hard to avoid. And they receive education on birth control and it's % of effectiveness.

Laws in other countries are not the same.
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

Only because of the current laws which are not fair towards men...

The laws for child support apply equally to men and women.

But you already knew that.
 
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The laws for child support apply equally to men and women.

But you already knew that.

No they don't... because men do not get a post conception opt out like women do... so it is absolutely Unequal.
 
Re: Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

Political perception of the real end result of everyone's wants when it comes to the abortion debate have made a real mess of things.

Pro-choice will claim pro-life is all about control and telling a woman what to do, pro-life will claim pro-choice is all about licenses to murder for convenience.

It is your basic extreme polarizing **** show for a debate that will never end no matter who gets their way for however long.

Basically one side is asking for freedom and the other wants enslavement because women are not capable of making choices. Then you have those men whose behavior towards women is so abhorrent that they feel the only way to get one to have their child is to have the State force them to.
 
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Fight for that, sure. However, that unfairness can be mitigated. For example child support in California can be ten times what it would be in Georgia. Also, it helps to live in a constant state of discreetly always being prepared for divorce.

Only because of the current laws which are not fair towards men...
 
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No they don't... because men do not get a post conception opt out like women do... so it is absolutely Unequal.

That has nothing to do with child support laws and any 'post conception opt-out' you imagine would force the taxpayers to pay for the man's 50% responsibility. And we didnt knowingly risk creating the kid. If you are looking for 'just' or 'equal,' that aint it.

Can you explain why men shouldnt be held responsible for something they knowingly risked?
 
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She's got somewhat of a point. The incentive is for a guy to marry a woman that he can sponge off of. I, however have too much self respect to do that.

The laws for child support apply equally to men and women.

But you already knew that.
 
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