Michael Flynn Pleads Guilty: Is Trump Finished?

[DamnYankee]

It's amazing how they did the very same thing before the election and wound up in tears on election day and now they are doing the very same thing all over again and expecting different results. What's the definition of stupidity again?

I know, I know, seems the left would have learned something. lol

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI. That doesn't have anything to do with Trump. Once again, all you've got are "ifs".

Apparently, you don’t understand how this works. You plead guilty to a lesser crime and are given immunity for a more serious crime in exchange for incriminating information against someone higher up.

If you get busted for drug trafficking and you agree to give up a drug lord maybe you plead guilty to possession instead of trafficking.

Once the drug trafficker plead guilty to possession it makes no sense to argue that his only crime was possession. It’s a plea deal.

Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI to avoid more serious charges. But he had to give up Trump to get that deal.


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[Nickyjo]

Trump has done nothing wrong. He is an international businessman so he does business around the world. What did Trump do that was illegal? It is not illegal to "collude". The left started out claiming that Trump and his campaign illegally colluded with the Russians to influence the election and yet there is not one shred of truth or evidence of that. Out of all of the charges filed against Manafort, Flynn, et al, not one has anything to do with colluding with the Russians in order to influence the election. Not one. The joke is on you. As I said, after losing the House, the Senate, the presidency, and Supreme Court, and the governorships and state legislatures of 2/3'ds of the country, you guys have nothing left in this world but hope. That's all you can hang your hat on.

As they say since Watergate, it’s not the crime it’s the coverup. Unless I am mistaken, Trump’s problem is obstruction of justice. And Nixon left after a far bigger victory than Trump (though Trump probably wouldn’t admit that.)

 

[beefheart]

 

[lurchadams]

So far 4 members of the Trump campaign have been charged with crimes. Flynn is obviously offering Mueller information that will indict others.

Flynn was hired in spite of Obama's warnings and Flynn was simultaneously on two foreign payrolls while serving as the United States National Security Advisor!

The white house has been a revolving door of nut jobs and unqualified people for over a year!

The adorables in this thread are claiming none of this is a big deal. They remind me of this guy:

 

[beefheart]

So far 4 members of the Trump campaign have been charged with crimes. Flynn is obviously offering Mueller information that will indict others.

Flynn was hired in spite of Obama's warnings and Flynn was simultaneously on two foreign payrolls while serving as the United States National Security Advisor!

The white house has been a revolving door of nut jobs and unqualified people for over a year!

The adorables in this thread are claiming none of this is a big deal. They remind me of this guy:

Hey....that looks familiar.

 

[poweRob]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...n-937am:homepage/story&utm_term=.4cbc66502efd

Let's face it. Trump is finished. If Flynn got a deal it's because he gave Mueller something juicy enough to cut loose a guy who knows EVERYTHING like Flynn. Flynn admitted to talking about removing sanctions with Russia. No doubt, Mueller wanted the big firsh--Trump. The only way I see Mueller cutting Flynn loose is if he gave up the Donald.

It's over folks. Trump is done.

Trump is finished when he signs the GOP tax bill into law. Then the GOP won't have any more use for him and his distractions. Then you'll see GOP politicians finally pretending they give a **** about trump atrocities.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Trump is finished when he signs the GOP tax bill into law. Then the GOP won't have any more use for him and his distractions. Then you'll see GOP politicians finally pretending they give a **** about trump atrocities.

I wonder what would happen if pence ends up getting caught up in the act?

 

[poweRob]

I wonder what would happen if pence ends up getting caught up in the act?

He will play is adorable lying and denying grandfather role again and again and again and again and again... like this:

 

[Unitedwestand13]

He will play is adorable lying and denying grandfather role again and again and again and again and again... like this:

If Flynn implicates pence then the republicans have nothing to stand on.

 

[Moderate Right]

Apparently, you don’t understand how this works. You plead guilty to a lesser crime and are given immunity for a more serious crime in exchange for incriminating information against someone higher up.

If you get busted for drug trafficking and you agree to give up a drug lord maybe you plead guilty to possession instead of trafficking.

Once the drug trafficker plead guilty to possession it makes no sense to argue that his only crime was possession. It’s a plea deal.

Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI to avoid more serious charges. But he had to give up Trump to get that deal.


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Out comes the crystal ball again. Have you ever heard about the expression of counting chickens? Flynn will probably rat on a few in the campaign but it will not include Trump at all and it will not include charging anyone with colluding with the Russians in order to influence the election. Apparently YOU don't know how it works. People are innocent until proven guilty. Once again, I take pity on you for only having fantasies. The very best you can hope to accomplish is bringing on President Pence, who is even more far right than Trump. And, even that is a one in a million shot. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning or winning the lottery but, hey, I fantasize about winning the lottery too. As I said, I empathize with the fact that this is the only thing you have left in life.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Why are you defending Trump? He's a liar. He said he had nothing to do with Russia. Flynn will testify that Trump directed him to talk to the Russians. And we already know that Flynn was negotiating sanctions.

Why are you defending this? Our president betrayed our nation and colluded with a hostile foreign power. Why can't you let Trump go? Flynn did.

And yes, we hope Trump will go. He's a horrible embarrassment of a president. It's not about politics anymore for me. Put that nutjob Mike Pence in, I don't care but Trump is totally unqualified for this job. He's a joke. It's time our nation moved on.

Hate to interrupt your left wing fantasy, however talking to the Russians on it's own is not illegal. Every incoming administration does it. Nothing about collusion.

 

[Moderate Right]

As they say since Watergate, it’s not the crime it’s the coverup. Unless I am mistaken, Trump’s problem is obstruction of justice. And Nixon left after a far bigger victory than Trump (though Trump probably wouldn’t admit that.)

Trump doesn't have a problem with obstruction of justice at all. Events regarding that have already been played on the six o'clock news many moons ago and Democrats have already found him guilty of it. If it was such an open and shut case in legal land Trump could have been charged a half year ago and they wouldn't need any investigations at all. The reason why he hasn't been charged is because the only evidence they have is opinion and interpretations of what Trump had. You can't convict someone on opinions and interpretations. Hell, Democrats had been clamoring for Comey's firing eve since the election then all of a sudden they are against it when it suits their political agenda.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Good.

All of you said the same when Manafort was busted. How many let downs can you take?

 

[washunut]

Trump is finished when he signs the GOP tax bill into law. Then the GOP won't have any more use for him and his distractions. Then you'll see GOP politicians finally pretending they give a **** about trump atrocities.

Do you really think Democrats in congress want Trump out of office. He is the best thing they have going for the 2018 elections. They want him just where is he.

The real question is, what happens in 2019. If they win the house will they pull the trigger and impeach him. I am sure they would prefer to run against him in 2020.

 

[MaggieD]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...n-937am:homepage/story&utm_term=.4cbc66502efd

Let's face it. Trump is finished. If Flynn got a deal it's because he gave Mueller something juicy enough to cut loose a guy who knows EVERYTHING like Flynn. Flynn admitted to talking about removing sanctions with Russia. No doubt, Mueller wanted the big firsh--Trump. The only way I see Mueller cutting Flynn loose is if he gave up the Donald.

It's over folks. Trump is done.

You can’t impeach a president because you don’t like his foreign policy.

 

[Nickyjo]

Trump doesn't have a problem with obstruction of justice at all. Events regarding that have already been played on the six o'clock news many moons ago and Democrats have already found him guilty of it. If it was such an open and shut case in legal land Trump could have been charged a half year ago and they wouldn't need any investigations at all. The reason why he hasn't been charged is because the only evidence they have is opinion and interpretations of what Trump had. You can't convict someone on opinions and interpretations. Hell, Democrats had been clamoring for Comey's firing eve since the election then all of a sudden they are against it when it suits their political agenda.

Depends, according to legal comments I heard. If Trump asked for investigations to end to protect himself or those close to him, he may be in trouble. I assume that is difficult to prove, however. But I believe there are still a lot of shoes to drop yet.

 

[calamity]

All of you said the same when Manafort was busted. How many let downs can you take?

Let down? Hardly. Flynn gives Mueller Kushner. Kush will roll on family Trump. I doubt sniffing Ivanka's ass is worth going to prison over. But, I sort of hope the dumbass takes that route. I wonder if Ivanka will write.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Let down? Hardly. Flynn gives Mueller Kushner. Kush will roll on family Trump. I doubt sniffing Ivanka's ass is worth going to prison over. But, I sort of hope the dumbass takes that route. I wonder if Ivanka will write.

Again, you are fantasizing over what you want to think will happen. Flynn pleaded guilty to a process crime. Do you know what that is? It's basically a crime related to an investigation of an alleged crime. The same thing happened to Scooter Libby during the so-called CIA-gate scandal. All Flynn is giving Mueller is: "Yes Trump and others in the administration as the incoming administration told Flynn to talk to the Russians , as every incoming administrations do. Your letdown will be that it was quite legal and nothing that amounted to collusion. Would you like cheese and onions with that nothing burger?

 

[Moderate Right]

Depends, according to legal comments I heard. If Trump asked for investigations to end to protect himself or those close to him, he may be in trouble. I assume that is difficult to prove, however. But I believe there are still a lot of shoes to drop yet.

As far a obstruction of justice goes, there are no shoes. What you see is what you get and, as you already admitted, it is difficult to prove, nothing but opinions and interpretations. Bottom line, Mueller actually can't do a damn thing to Trump. Your only hope is that the Republican Congress impeaches Trump, needing a 2/3'ds majority in order to remove him from office. Even if this drags on into 2019 after the elections and Democrats win back a majority, are they going to have a 2/3'ds majority? And, even if they do, or get enough Republicans to vote with them and they actually do remove Trump from office, you've got President Pence, who is farther right than Trump. That's your very best case scenario. You guys are nothing but sinking in quicksand. No matter what you do you are sunk with reality and the reality is that even if both Trump and Pence are removed from office and either Hillary or Bernie were annointed president, they wouldn't be able to accomplish anything through the Republican Congress and the conservative leaning Supreme Court. As you already know, Republicans can dish out obstructionism and resistance just as well as the Democrats are doing now.

 

[iliveonramen]

As far a obstruction of justice goes, there are no shoes. What you see is what you get and, as you already admitted, it is difficult to prove, nothing but opinions and interpretations. Bottom line, Mueller actually can't do a damn thing to Trump. Your only hope is that the Republican Congress impeaches Trump, needing a 2/3'ds majority in order to remove him from office. Even if this drags on into 2019 after the elections and Democrats win back a majority, are they going to have a 2/3'ds majority? And, even if they do, or get enough Republicans to vote with them and they actually do remove Trump from office, you've got President Pence, who is farther right than Trump. That's your very best case scenario. You guys are nothing but sinking in quicksand. No matter what you do you are sunk with reality and the reality is that even if both Trump and Pence are removed from office and either Hillary or Bernie were annointed president, they wouldn't be able to accomplish anything through the Republican Congress and the conservative leaning Supreme Court. As you already know, Republicans can dish out obstructionism and resistance just as well as the Democrats are doing now.

Gotta love those Constitutional Patriots on the right! If Trump has been found obstructing justice to hide that he colluded with a foreign government they won't do a thing!

 

[Moderate Right]

Gotta love those Constitutional Patriots on the right! If Trump has been found obstructing justice to hide that he colluded with a foreign government they won't do a thing!

There is nothing wrong with "colluding" with foreign governments, including Russia. It's done all the time. Hell, the Clintons and Obama did it all the time. Hell, Obama colluded with the Iranians by paying them billions of dollars in cash ransom to release our sailors they took hostage. I was watching left leaning ABC News last night and even they were saying that the only evidence of "collusion" seemed to be talking to the Russians about working together to fight ISIS.

 

[Nickyjo]

As far a obstruction of justice goes, there are no shoes. What you see is what you get and, as you already admitted, it is difficult to prove, nothing but opinions and interpretations. Bottom line, Mueller actually can't do a damn thing to Trump. Your only hope is that the Republican Congress impeaches Trump, needing a 2/3'ds majority in order to remove him from office. Even if this drags on into 2019 after the elections and Democrats win back a majority, are they going to have a 2/3'ds majority? And, even if they do, or get enough Republicans to vote with them and they actually do remove Trump from office, you've got President Pence, who is farther right than Trump. That's your very best case scenario. You guys are nothing but sinking in quicksand. No matter what you do you are sunk with reality and the reality is that even if both Trump and Pence are removed from office and either Hillary or Bernie were annointed president, they wouldn't be able to accomplish anything through the Republican Congress and the conservative leaning Supreme Court. As you already know, Republicans can dish out obstructionism and resistance just as well as the Democrats are doing now.

And a “third rate burglary” brought down Nixon. I give Trump two years, then he’s bored or gone.

 

[Moderate Right]

And a “third rate burglary” brought down Nixon. I give Trump two years, then he’s bored or gone.

Like I said, if Trump goes, you've got Pence, who is even more far right than Trump is. That's your hope?

 

[DamnYankee]

Like I said, if Trump goes...

The last major leftist prediction occurred last year. The election of the Queen of Corruption was in the bag, a done deal. Well, we know what happened to that. Prior to that major prediction, was another major prediction; the demise of the GOP. If you recall back in 2009/10, the GOP was on the verge of crumbling to dust. The GOP was becoming extinct, gone, history. Not only was the left wrong, they proceeded to have 1200+ of the fellow kookers chased out of office and sent packing by every day normal Americans. They can't even buy an election today, save for those that are already deep blue.

So how much weight can we put into this next leftist prediction? Well, a stopped clock is right twice a day, I'll give the radical left that. My money goes on DJT leaving office either 2020 or 2024. And then we'll have Pence. And hopefully by then another 1200+ kookers will be ran out of office.