Miami Shootout

[ecofarm]

Absolutely! Jesse James and Wyatt Earp would be no match for todays inner city thugs.

Damn right.

The Lying Lib will never address the years of astronomical shooting statistics between thugs where innocent lives were captured in the crossfire, in so-called Chiraq, which is a Lying Lib controlled major metropolitan city.

Way more than any rare, isolated police shooting.

Do you guys think the racism you present is "under the surface"?

 

[Jredbaron96]

still waiting for you to share with us the tactics the police should have alternatively employed to extricate themselves and the civilians and the hostage out of harm's way

Should I break out the crayons to or are you going to be able to follow along?

Well for starters, tale the suspect until his van runs out of gas. Do not commit to an engagement with civilians in the line of fire. Wait until the truck is empty (and it can be tracked because all UPS trucks have trackers on them) of gas and then surround it.

 

[HumblePi]

no, he is being truthful. While I see the cops tactics in this incident as probably falling short of ideal, the fact is the "wild west" was hardly what you think it was based on watching too many Clint Eastwood movies

It was a 'figurative', a euphemism -- whenever you people can't argue the substance of a comment, you pick it apart for individual words or phrases to criticize. It's very sophomoric. It's also exactly how the republicans have approached the impeachment investigation by picking at inconsequential minutia, not addressing the substance.

 

[calamity]

It was a 'figurative', a euphemism -- whenever you people can't argue the substance of a comment, you pick it apart for individual words or phrases to criticize. It's very sophomoric. It's also exactly how the republicans have approached the impeachment investigation by picking at inconsequential minutia, not addressing the substance.

It’s possible that some people are simply too stupid to understand metaphor. Actually, “Wild West” is such an iconic metaphor for describing America’s history of gun violence, it’s basically become an idiom.

 

[calamity]

Dodge City was quite tame during the days of the Old West, contrary to how the movies portray it. During the golden age of the American Cowboy, from about 1865 to the early 1900s, there was a total of only six shootouts in Dodge City.

Once again the point sailed overhead. No worries, some people get used to it.

 

[ecofarm]

Dodge City was quite tame during the days of the Old West, contrary to how the movies portray it. During the golden age of the American Cowboy, from about 1865 to the early 1900s, there was a total of only six shootouts in Dodge City.

And twelve people.

 

[calamity]

One report I saw stated the suspects were shooting at vehicles before the stop. Are you saying you would let the suspects continue to threaten the public?

Didn't the police know the suspects had a hostage? If it was your loved one being held would you be ok with Law Enforcement to not make a stop but to try and capture the robbers later?

Not if they shot him too. :doh

 

[Michael Johnson]

Do you guys think the racism you present is "under the surface"?

Only you assume facts are racism.

 

[TurtleDude]

It was a 'figurative', a euphemism -- whenever you people can't argue the substance of a comment, you pick it apart for individual words or phrases to criticize. It's very sophomoric. It's also exactly how the republicans have approached the impeachment investigation by picking at inconsequential minutia, not addressing the substance.

inaccuracy and factual distortions are the anti gun movement's stock in trade

 

[ecofarm]

Only you assume facts are racism.

"Facts" being whatever BS you wanna push regarding "inner city thugs". Like there aren't white gangs. Like there aren't white thugs. But you ain't got it to say "black people" so you go with the spineless "inner city thugs" dogwhistle.

Just say black people. You're not fooling anyone.

 

[nota bene]

Only you assume facts are racism.

Please stop trying to derail this thread.

 

[calamity]

inaccuracy and factual distortions are the anti gun movement's stock in trade

Meanwhile, ignorance appears to belong to the gun zealots.

BTW: is it not dishonest when the gun zealots pretend that "Wild West" is not synonymous with shootouts?

 

[TurtleDude]

Meanwhile, ignorance appears to belong to the gun zealots.

BTW: is it not dishonest when the gun zealots pretend that "Wild West" is not synonymous with shootouts?

we understand that the ignorant use that term incorrectly. and the anti gun side is constantly lying and making factually bankrupt claims about guns. Such as you do, when you call someone who premeditates murder as a "good guy with a gun"

 

[Divine_Wind]

So, today is worse than the Wild West. Is that your point?

ROFLMAO. No, that’s not true at all but thanks for not only another anti-gun thread, but for an anti-police thread too.

It always struck me as funny that the far Left anti-gun mob wants to disarm all Americans except the police and the military yet are strongly anti-police and anti-military. They really are living in a different reality of unicorns and rainbows.

 

[Jredbaron96]

One report I saw stated the suspects were shooting at vehicles before the stop. Are you saying you would let the suspects continue to threaten the public?

There was no pressing need to commit to an engagement given that doing so would put dozens more at risk.

Didn't the police know the suspects had a hostage? If it was your loved one being held would you be ok with Law Enforcement to not make a stop but to try and capture the robbers later?

I wouldn't want potentially more innocent people to die because the police pursued a very stupid course of action.

 

[Michael Johnson]

"Facts" being whatever BS you wanna push regarding "inner city thugs". Like there aren't white gangs. Like there aren't white thugs. But you ain't got it to say "black people" so you go with the spineless "inner city thugs" dogwhistle.

Just say black people. You're not fooling anyone.

LOL you're reaching with logical fallacies. I never said all inner city thugs were black.

My original point still stands: The hijackers caused the most damage, not the cops.

And you have yet to demonize the criminals of this case.

 

[mike2810]

There was no pressing need to commit to an engagement given that doing so would put dozens more at risk.



I wouldn't want potentially more innocent people to die because the police pursued a very stupid course of action.

Your uneducated opinion is noted.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Your uneducated opinion is noted.

Translation: I have no actual rebuttal to offer so I'm just going to say you're uneducated and go back to licking the boots of law enforcement.

 

[Crosscheck]

Dodge City was quite tame during the days of the Old West, contrary to how the movies portray it. During the golden age of the American Cowboy, from about 1865 to the early 1900s, there was a total of only six shootouts in Dodge City.

You have to keep in mind that Dodge City's population was 1,200 when Wyatt Earp came to be the sheriff.

What is interesting is that Dodge City had 19 businesses that had license to sell liquor for that town of 1,200. That is an establishment for every 63 people.

 

[mike2810]

Translation: I have no actual rebuttal to offer so I'm just going to say you're uneducated and go back to licking the boots of law enforcement.

So you were ok with the suspects firing at vehicles while moving. You want law enforcement to back off and let the suspects holding a hostage drive off.
When it is known they have a hostage, your ok with seeing how it will play out down the road.
Got it.

Was the tactic used ideal? No.
Since you feel law enforcement is so inept, please don't call them when you need help.:mrgreen:

 

[Jredbaron96]

So you were ok with the suspects firing at vehicles while moving. You want law enforcement to back off and let the suspects holding a hostage drive off.

So you would want cops to use your vehicle, with you in it, as a human shield against incoming gunfire. Yeah, okay boss. I guess that technically can be considered suicide by police.

 

[mike2810]

So you would want cops to use your vehicle, with you in it, as a human shield against incoming gunfire. Yeah, okay boss. I guess that technically can be considered suicide by police.

Your not going to address the fact the suspects were firing at vehicles before the stop , are you? In your world the suspects did not endanger anyone in the public, right?

Bet would be complaining if the cops did nothing. :mrgreen:

 

[Jredbaron96]

Your not going to address the fact the suspects were firing at vehicles before the stop , are you?

They were firing at cop cars.

 

[mike2810]

They were firing at cop cars.

really? You don't think that put the public at risk. The rounds fired at moving vehicles only would hit a police car. Good grief.

You also seem to have no issue with the suspect firing at cops behind private and police cars when the stop was made. Seems the suspects put the public in danger.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Seems the suspects put the public in danger.

And the cops did to be using civilians as human shields. I realize a lot of Americans will die before they stop licking the boots of law enforcement but to pretend like the cops didn't seriously **** this up and get two people killed is ridiculous.