Mexican Cartel violence: 22 dead in shoot-out near Texas border area

[apdst]

Straw man purchase laws must be strictly enforced. In Arizona Judges have ruled that the paper you sign swearing that the gun purchase is for yourself is void as soon as you leave the store and you can sell it the parking lot to anyone you choose. That is unacceptable.

You mean the background check law isn't working?

 

[Kreton]

Nope; President Obrador of Mexico will solve the drug cartel violence with hugs, not bullets.

But, frankly, I am not for sending any help to that ****-hole country.

2019 - "New Government Map Shows 80% of Mexico’s 266 Districts Are Controlled By Drug Cartels
.. as of 2018, “the Taliban controlled or contested 46 percent of the districts in Afghanistan’s civil war.” ..."

New Government Map Shows 80% of Mexico's 266 Districts Are Controlled By Drug Cartels

Well is redstate.com says it it must be true.

 

[Harshaw]

The context is legal drugs. The subject was marijuana being legal in some states. Some posters here have claimed with links that the black markets exist despite marijuana being legal. So the question is: is the level of violence in the black market the same after the legalization?

It's not legal federally, so it doesn't matter what states it's legal in. And it's about considerably more than just marijuana.

Anyway, you said:

I didn't realize the black market equals turf wars, drug wars and the murders of thousands of people.

They always do, always have.

 

[apdst]

Why would Mexico want our help? We can't even control our own gun violence problems.

Compared to mexico, we have no "gun violence problem".

How The Sinaloa Cartel Just Beat The Mexican Army | Time

 

[AProudLefty]

It's not legal federally, so it doesn't matter what states it's legal in. And it's about considerably more than just marijuana.

Anyway, you said:



They always do, always have.

No they don't always do. Usually yes. But not always. For example, certain things are banned in some countries, like China. Do the black markets there cause violence?

 

[Harshaw]

No they don't always do. Usually yes. But not always. For example, certain things are banned in some countries, like China. Do the black markets there cause violence?

Of course they do.

 

[AProudLefty]

Of course they do.

So people there are killing each other over books?

 

[iguanaman]

Pretty much destroys the argument that legalizing drugs will somehow hurt the cartels.

So depriving them of their main source of income isn't hurting them? Do you think they can make as much money off avocados? :lamo

 

[Felis Leo]

It's pretty easy. We trade with South America all the tie, yes? If certain businesses have been linked to crimes, stop trading or buying from said businesses. We do that all the time here.

Okay. But if people then start purchasing cocaine through the black market rather than legal suppliers, what will the penalty be against smugglers, dealers and illicit purchasers? And how will it be any different than our current drug war?

 

[AProudLefty]

Okay. But if people then start purchasing cocaine through the black market rather than legal suppliers, what will the penalty be against smugglers, dealers and illicit purchasers? And how will it be any different than our current drug war?

Why smuggle drugs when they're legal?

 

[Harshaw]

So people there are killing each other over books?

Violent crime has been on the rise in China for decades, much of it surrounding black markets. If you're going to be try to be obtusely granular about it, you either aren't serious or you really don't understand the issue.

 

[Harshaw]

Why smuggle drugs when they're legal?

OK, per my post above, it's pretty clear you really don't understand the issue at all.

Being legal doesn't mean unregulated. There are thriving black markets in plenty of legal things, like alcohol and cigarettes.

 

[Felis Leo]

Why smuggle drugs when they're legal?

Because if people want cocaine, but cocaine cannot be imported because all the "legal" suppliers are in the pockets of criminal cartels, the only way it will be imported is illegally through smuggling operations.

 

[AProudLefty]

Violent crime has been on the rise in China for decades, much of it surrounding black markets. If you're going to be try to be obtusely granular about it, you either aren't serious or you really don't understand the issue.

Oh yeah I am not being serious. :roll: Black markets existed in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. I guess all of them were violent.

 

[AProudLefty]

Because if people want cocaine, but cocaine cannot be imported because all the "legal" suppliers are in the pockets of criminal cartels, the only way it will be imported is illegally through smuggling operations.

Then we would be back to square one if that happens. The solution would be for the governments to profit from the business so naturally they would cooperate.

 

[AProudLefty]

OK, per my post above, it's pretty clear you really don't understand the issue at all.

Being legal doesn't mean unregulated. There are thriving black markets in plenty of legal things, like alcohol and cigarettes.

So drugs being legal will not have any impact?

 

[Harshaw]

Oh yeah I am not being serious. :roll: Black markets existed in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. I guess all of them were violent.

What makes you think black markets in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy weren't violent?

 

[Harshaw]

So drugs being legal will not have any impact?

It will have impact. It won't eliminate.

 

[AProudLefty]

What makes you think black markets in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy weren't violent?

I didn't say that. I am sure some of them were violent. Your claim was that ALL black markets are violent. Always.

 

[AProudLefty]

It will have impact. It won't eliminate.

The question is how much of an impact it will have? Some posters here think it won't change much in the way of violence.

 

[Slartibartfast]

You said political ideology.

true! I missed that.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The question is how much of an impact it will have? Some posters here think it won't change much in the way of violence.

There are two reasons the cartels are getting so bad again.

1. El Chapo is out, so there's a power vacuum. Happens.

2. They more or less lost the weed market, so are making up the income with extortion.

 

[AProudLefty]

There are two reasons the cartels are getting so bad again.

1. El Chapo is out, so there's a power vacuum. Happens.

2. They more or less lost the weed market, so are making up the income with extortion.

Good point. That usually happens, especially when governments are overthrown. It will even out eventually.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Good point. That usually happens, especially when governments are overthrown. It will even out eventually.

Well, the good news is that they no longer have the tacit support of the general population.

 

[Felis Leo]

Then we would be back to square one if that happens. The solution would be for the governments to profit from the business so naturally they would cooperate.

Just a moment, I do not think I understood what you were referring to. Do you mean the South American governments would work our government in to stop coca production from being controlled by violent cartels? Because if I grasped what you are saying, that sounds rather similar to current policy.