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Mexican Cartel violence: 22 dead in shoot-out near Texas border area

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Mexico City — A Mexican border governor said Monday the death toll from a weekend battle between drug cartel members and security forces has risen to 22. Coahuila Governor Miguel Riquelme said two additional gunmen died overnight. He did not say whether they had died of injuries from Saturday's gunbattle or in subsequent operations.

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Riquelme said 16 gunmen and four police officers were killed. He said two civilians also were slain by gunmen after being abducted.

Villa Union Coahuila state shootout in Mexico leaves at least 22 dead in apparent cartel siege near Texas border - CBS News
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So Mexico....still sure you don't want our help?
 
Simple economic solution, quit empowering criminal enterprise with our continued and failed 'war on drugs.'
 
Roadvirus said:
So Mexico....still sure you don't want our help?
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Nope; President Obrador of Mexico will solve the drug cartel violence with hugs, not bullets.

But, frankly, I am not for sending any help to that ****-hole country.

2019 - "New Government Map Shows 80% of Mexico’s 266 Districts Are Controlled By Drug Cartels
.. as of 2018, “the Taliban controlled or contested 46 percent of the districts in Afghanistan’s civil war.” ..."

New Government Map Shows 80% of Mexico's 266 Districts Are Controlled By Drug Cartels
 
Let's tell it as it is: Mexico is right to blame Americans for what has happened to their country.

The cartels operate in Mexico because there seems to be a big demand in this country for certain illicit drugs.

So these cartel murders and political corruption are going to continue to corrupt Mexico as long as there are a lot of Americans who want those drugs.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no effective educational campaign in this country to discourage young people from becoming drug addicts.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Simple economic solution, quit empowering criminal enterprise with our continued and failed 'war on drugs.'
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How would we do that, OrphanSlug? Because the Cartels seem to take over anything that makes money in Central America. They are right now in the process of taking over avocado orchards. Who knows, perhaps they will eventually take over cocoa and coffee in Central and South America.
 
Superfly said:
Why would Mexico want our help? We can't even control our own gun violence problems.
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It is not a "gun violence problem", anymore than Afghanistan's issues can be boiled down to gun or bomb violence, Superfly. Mexico suffers from rampant state capture. In certain areas, if you are a government official and you do not want to do as the cartel tells you, they will kill you and your whole family, and little can be done to stop them. You take your orders and your bribe money from the Cartels, and if you don't, you die.
 
Felis Leo said:
How would we do that, OrphanSlug? Because the Cartels seem to take over anything that makes money in Central America. They are right now in the process of taking over avocado orchards. Who knows, perhaps they will eventually take over cocoa and coffee in Central and South America.
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No real choice now, at least if we are going to be honest about this.

The entire criminal enterprise exists (all these Cartels and so many other organizations) only because of demand fulfillment for something illegal. The US is still the largest consumer of these drugs, and so long as we continue to fight this 'war on drugs' the longer we will see Cartels down to street level criminal enterprise fight anyone they can to control that market.

Taking over Avocado, or Cocoa, or Coffee is all about means and probably intimidation. It is not rocket science to suggest the more means and methods Cartels own (or can directly influence) in the international distribution of other goods the better off they are at keeping drug enforcement guessing where those drugs are as they make their way from production to distribution. And it also ensures other accesses to financial markets for the purposes of money laundering.

Regardless we have few options now, the economic and social impact of fighting this 'war on drugs' is well documented.

To pretend we can double down or triple down on activities at the border or inside of these nations where the chain of distribution follows simply suggests more costs and more violence.
 
apdst said:
Avocados are legal.

Mexico’s avocado war may be linked to massacre that left 19 dead
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Seems like a turf war between gangs that seek to take over or control territories. Pretty sure the drugs are involved.

I just googled. Looks like I was right.
"During this time, the influence of Mexican drug cartels was expanding within the country. Seeing as they had plenty of previous experience in illegal greens, the cartels began edging into legal trades, like avocado farming, to supplement their income."
How Your Avocado Toast Is Funding Mexican Drug Cartels
 
AProudLefty said:
Seems like a turf war between gangs that seek to take over or control territories. Pretty sure the drugs are involved.

I just googled. Looks like I was right.
"During this time, the influence of Mexican drug cartels was expanding within the country. Seeing as they had plenty of previous experience in illegal greens, the cartels began edging into legal trades, like avocado farming, to supplement their income."
How Your Avocado Toast Is Funding Mexican Drug Cartels
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Pretty much destroys the argument that legalizing drugs will somehow hurt the cartels.
 
OrphanSlug said:
No real choice now, at least if we are going to be honest about this.

The entire criminal enterprise exists (all these Cartels and so many other organizations) only because of demand fulfillment for something illegal. The US is still the largest consumer of these drugs, and so long as we continue to fight this 'war on drugs' the longer we will see Cartels down to street level criminal enterprise fight anyone they can to control that market.

Taking over Avocado, or Cocoa, or Coffee is all about means and probably intimidation. It is not rocket science to suggest the more means and methods Cartels own (or can directly influence) in the international distribution of other goods the better off they are at keeping drug enforcement guessing where those drugs are as they make their way from production to distribution. And it also ensures other accesses to financial markets for the purposes of money laundering.

Regardless we have few options now, the economic and social impact of fighting this 'war on drugs' is well documented.

To pretend we can double down or triple down on activities at the border or inside of these nations where the chain of distribution follows simply suggests more costs and more violence.
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The cartels are going to operate outside the law. Legalizing drugs won't change that.
 
apdst said:
Pretty much destroys the argument that legalizing drugs will somehow hurt the cartels.
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No it doesn't. Because the drugs are illegal, there is a very high demand for them. Make them legal and poof the drug businesses collapse.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Simple economic solution, quit empowering criminal enterprise with our continued and failed 'war on drugs.'
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Really?

Even though legal Marijuana is creating more black markets?

How Legal Marijuana Is Helping the Black Market - POLITICO Magazine

Cannabis' Black Market Problem

5 Reasons the Marijuana Black Market Won't Go Away | The Motley Fool

California's Cannabis Black Market Is Insanely Larger Than Its Legal Market | The Motley Fool

That worn out argument **** the bed a few years ago.
 
AProudLefty said:
No it doesn't. Because the drugs are illegal, there is a very high demand for them. Make them legal and poof the drug businesses collapse.
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Avocados are legal and the cartels are killing people for control of the industry.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Really?

Even though legal Marijuana is creating more black markets?

How Legal Marijuana Is Helping the Black Market - POLITICO Magazine

Cannabis' Black Market Problem

5 Reasons the Marijuana Black Market Won't Go Away | The Motley Fool

California's Cannabis Black Market Is Insanely Larger Than Its Legal Market | The Motley Fool

That worn out argument **** the bed a few years ago.
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I didn't realize the black market equals turf wars, drug wars and the murders of thousands of people.
 
apdst said:
Avocados are legal and the cartels are killing people for control of the industry.
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No. Avocados are a part of their business. What it is is a drug turf war for territories.
 
AProudLefty said:
No it doesn't. Because the drugs are illegal, there is a very high demand for them. Make them legal and poof the drug businesses collapse.
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...and poof, they go into some other business.
 
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