#MeToo movement lawmaker investigated for sexual misconduct allegations

[HowardBThiname]

Sorry I made you cry. You should go on a date tonight or something so you can feel better.

I hope you don't continue to feel weak and marginalized by the actions of strangers on other strangers. That has to suck.

Awww...look at you.

You're just so darned cute when you're angry.

 

[Paperview]

I'm so sorry I made you cry, Howard. I think you must be easily triggered. You're the only person in the free world tinkling her panties because you feel marginalized and weakened by what happened to people you don't even know. I shouldn't have been so mean to you. I hope things get better for you and you don't feel so weak and marginalized anymore. It's a great world out there. Join the strong women in it.

A girl named Howard....

is that like a boy named Sue?

 

[Manc Skipper]

That can go both ways. I dated a few sluts, but I wouldn't marry one.

It's like that old saying: you can make a housewife into a whore, but you can't make a whore into a housewife.

Dating several sluts doesn't rub off?

 

[tres borrachos]

Awww...look at you.

You're just so darned cute when you're angry.

Howard, girl. I'm not the one who is claiming to be weak and marginalized by what went on between a bunch of people I don't know and don't care about. That was you. And I'm not the one who was blubbering about burkas. That was you.

I'm not angry. I feel bad for you. I can't imagine being rendered weak and marginalized because of creeps like Harvey Weinstein and Steve Wynn, who I never met and never will meet, and never want to meet. I can't imagine what that must be like. You have my sympathies.

 

[Moot]

Nope. Check out major media sources.

Todays headline...

Utah Rep. Jon Stanard, accused of meeting call girl for sex, used public money for hotel rooms

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politic...signed-after-meeting-call-girl-twice-for-sex/​

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Depends on the person. I was a total slut before I met my wife, hooking up with a different woman every weekend. But I got it out of my system. Women can commit after sowing their wild oats as well.

Double standard, fine for you but I'm not going to marry a reformed slut. Any slutty past you had is a testament to your capacity for seduction, women are the gatekeepers to sex and a key that can open any lock is a master key.

That said, a lock that can be opened by any key is a ****ty lock.

Men are the gatekeepers to relationships, that is not what sluts are for (relationships, marriage) and a reformed slut is often reformed due to age and desire for family. There is no pride in being with the town pump, when everyone else has already had a turn. To commit so easily, makes one a different kind of slut; A Time Ho.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Double standard, fine for you but I'm not going to marry a reformed slut. Any slutty past you had is a testament to your capacity for seduction, women are the gatekeepers to sex and a key that can open any lock is a master key.

That said, a lock that can be opened by any key is a ****ty lock.

Men are the gatekeepers to relationships, that is not what sluts are for (relationships, marriage) and a reformed slut is often reformed due to age and desire for family. There is no pride in being with the town pump, when everyone else has already had a turn. To commit so easily, makes one a different kind of slut; A Time Ho.

To each their own. I can’t think of many things less appealing than marrying a virgin or someone who doesn’t know what they are doing in the bedroom.

 

[ludin]

So all the guys that have been accused are a bunch of sluts too?

Instead of the typical blame the victim now that the victim is male the abuser is a slut. Go figure.

i think that work place harassment is bad, but given some of the conversations i have had with other women they are worse than any
conversation i have had with any group of guys.

i think there is a difference in hitting on a co worker or person and sexually harassing them.

while there could be a fine line the fact is that there is a difference and now you are seeing a difference in
work place environment from guys that mean no harm or anything.

 

[apdst]

Dating several sluts doesn't rub off?

Sorry, but the thread isn't about me.

That's enough.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Sorry, but the thread isn't about me.

That's enough.

Hypersensitive? But why? Can only women be sluts in your world?

 

[JasperL]

Because you're adopting the attitude of a wilting-flower female who's afraid of men looking in her direction. A burka would offer you plenty of ways to hide away and not face the world.

That's an incredibly unfair and ignorant view of what's going on. Just for example, my wife was subject to sexual harassment out of town on a job. The man (a heavy hitter partner) chased her to her room, then stood outside banging on the door, drunk. Came back an hour later, same thing. I've left out a lot of the story, but she's been in a male dominated field for DECADES and "men looking in her direction" isn't the problem, it was fear of RAPE, 1000 miles from home, with no way to fight back against a guy 100 pounds heavier. She was incredibly shaken up.

So the next day, what are her options? There's no evidence anything happened. He's a big hitter, she's disposable really. Paid well, but 100 people can do her job fine. She ended up deciding she is willing to risk that job to report him, and she did and it worked out OK, but it did work out OK because other women had come forward. They didn't fire the guy, but they changed scheduling, etc.

The #metoo movement is women coming forward, and reporting those incidents. There's nothing weakening or marginalizing about that - you've got it 180 degrees wrong. Ask a woman in the work force in a male dominated field. She'll know more than your ignorant view of the issues. You should listen to her.

You also mentioned some powerful, famous women who are pushing back. Well, that's fine, they're entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't mean they are by definition the ONLY opinion or the right one. The problem hasn't ever been for women who by virtue of their current success are among the most talented in their fields. The exploitation, for lack of a better word, has always been of women without power who are vulnerable in their careers or who aren't the strongest of their gender. That's who it empowers and affects.

Maybe the pendulum swings too far. Well, darn. That's too bad but getting the issue just right is impossible and we're seeing there's been an awful lot of problems with women in the workplace and at home buried for far too long, so the pendulum needed to swing.

 

[tres borrachos]

Double standard, fine for you but I'm not going to marry a reformed slut. Any slutty past you had is a testament to your capacity for seduction, women are the gatekeepers to sex and a key that can open any lock is a master key.

That said, a lock that can be opened by any key is a ****ty lock.

Men are the gatekeepers to relationships, that is not what sluts are for (relationships, marriage) and a reformed slut is often reformed due to age and desire for family. There is no pride in being with the town pump, when everyone else has already had a turn. To commit so easily, makes one a different kind of slut; A Time Ho.

What is your definition of a "slutty woman"?

 

[HowardBThiname]

Howard, girl. I'm not the one who is claiming to be weak and marginalized by what went on between a bunch of people I don't know and don't care about. That was you. And I'm not the one who was blubbering about burkas. That was you.

I'm not angry. I feel bad for you. I can't imagine being rendered weak and marginalized because of creeps like Harvey Weinstein and Steve Wynn, who I never met and never will meet, and never want to meet. I can't imagine what that must be like. You have my sympathies.

Of course you're angry. You're seething. You couldn't even bring yourself to post your opinion on whether you thought MeToo was beneficial or not. You're scared silly to post your opinion. You had to resort to telling everyone you're a tall, white, upper-middle class gal who travels to the Middle East on business. Like anyone gives a ****.

LOL

So predictable.

If you're going to continue your meltdown, give me a head's up and I'll pop some corn so I can thoroughly enjoy it.

 

[tres borrachos]

Of course you're angry. You're seething. You couldn't even bring yourself to post your opinion on whether you thought MeToo was beneficial or not. You're scared silly to post your opinion. You had to resort to telling everyone you're a tall, white, upper-middle class gal who travels to the Middle East on business. Like anyone gives a ****.

LOL

So predictable.

If you're going to continue your meltdown, give me a head's up and I'll pop some corn so I can thoroughly enjoy it.

How can I be angry when I'm not weakened and marginalized? I'm happy, well off, happily married, have great kids, and love my life. Just because you're weak and marginalized you shouldn't take your troubles out on me.

I hope things get better for you. I feel bad that these people have wrecked your life. Be strong, girl. Don't be weak. It's sad.

 

[Moderate Right]

She probably is guilty, considering that more than one person accused her, and the people who did accuse her were very specific with the details - dates, places, etc. Do you think she's innocent?

More than one accusation does not prove guilt. I have no effing clue if she is guilty or innocent. But, I do know that in this country people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not the court of public opinion. I don't think she herself understands that. I do believe in Karma though so it sounds like she is getting what she deserves. I have been very busy lately so I haven't heard what she says about it all.

 

[tres borrachos]

More than one accusation does not prove guilt. I have no effing clue if she is guilty or innocent. But, I do know that in this country people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not the court of public opinion. I don't think she herself understands that. I do believe in Karma though so it sounds like she is getting what she deserves. I have been very busy lately so I haven't heard what she says about it all.

I don't know for sure if she's guilty either. I didn't claim to know. I'm not her nor her accusers. It was an observation and a post.

Yes, I know what the Constitution says. I assume most people here do.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

What is your definition of a "slutty woman"?

High number of sexual partners (adjusted for age), easy to sleep with (for high status/value males), not discerning when it comes to a good mate that would provide for offspring(likely to be a pregnant & single mother at a young age), not strict about condom use, and justifying infidelity are among the qualities that make a slut, to me.

Why do you ask?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

To each their own. I can’t think of many things less appealing than marrying a virgin or someone who doesn’t know what they are doing in the bedroom.

Who said I wanted virgins just because I wont marry the town slut? Who said anything about marrying a virgin at all? There are a great deal many women that fall between those two extremes. Sexual compatibility is a prerequisite for a long term relationship to me.

 

[tres borrachos]

High number of sexual partners (adjusted for age), easy to sleep with (for high status/value males), not discerning when it comes to a good mate that would provide for offspring(likely to be a pregnant & single mother at a young age), not strict about condom use, and justifying infidelity are among the qualities that make a slut, to me.

Why do you ask?

I ask because I wanted to know.

What's a high number of sexual partners?

How does infidelity make one slutty?

 

[Paperview]

High number of sexual partners (adjusted for age), easy to sleep with (for high status/value males), not discerning when it comes to a good mate that would provide for offspring(likely to be a pregnant & single mother at a young age), not strict about condom use, and justifying infidelity are among the qualities that make a slut, to me.

Why do you ask?

So, like Donald Trump?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

So, like Donald Trump?

No, he's a male, double standards for males capable of high sexual partner count.

Like I said earlier, a key that can open any lock is a master key, but a lock that can be opened by any key is a ****ty lock.

 

[apdst]

That's an incredibly unfair and ignorant view of what's going on. Just for example, my wife was subject to sexual harassment out of town on a job. The man (a heavy hitter partner) chased her to her room, then stood outside banging on the door, drunk. Came back an hour later, same thing. I've left out a lot of the story, but she's been in a male dominated field for DECADES and "men looking in her direction" isn't the problem, it was fear of RAPE, 1000 miles from home, with no way to fight back against a guy 100 pounds heavier. She was incredibly shaken up.

So the next day, what are her options? There's no evidence anything happened. He's a big hitter, she's disposable really. Paid well, but 100 people can do her job fine. She ended up deciding she is willing to risk that job to report him, and she did and it worked out OK, but it did work out OK because other women had come forward. They didn't fire the guy, but they changed scheduling, etc.

The #metoo movement is women coming forward, and reporting those incidents. There's nothing weakening or marginalizing about that - you've got it 180 degrees wrong. Ask a woman in the work force in a male dominated field. She'll know more than your ignorant view of the issues. You should listen to her.

You also mentioned some powerful, famous women who are pushing back. Well, that's fine, they're entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't mean they are by definition the ONLY opinion or the right one. The problem hasn't ever been for women who by virtue of their current success are among the most talented in their fields. The exploitation, for lack of a better word, has always been of women without power who are vulnerable in their careers or who aren't the strongest of their gender. That's who it empowers and affects.

Maybe the pendulum swings too far. Well, darn. That's too bad but getting the issue just right is impossible and we're seeing there's been an awful lot of problems with women in the workplace and at home buried for far too long, so the pendulum needed to swing.

Therein lies the problem: you only want one side of the story.

What happened to your wife is ****ed up and if it had been my wife, I would've ****ed that dude up, but we can't take one true story and make it the gospel for every incident.

The unintended concequences of MeToo are already taking effect.

Since #MeToo, the Number of Men Who Are Uncomfortable Mentoring Women Has Tripled

After #MeToo, Men Are Uncomfortable Mentoring Women | Fortune

Next, we're going to hear women complain that they're being held back, either because they can't advance, or can't get hired, in the first place.

As far as women like Uma Thurmon and Ashley Judd go, I have zero sympathy. They could have easily said no, but they didn't. They gave up that ass in exchange for fame and fortune.

The pendulum is indeed swinging too far and it's working women that are going to feel the effect.

 

[JasperL]

Therein lies the problem: you only want one side of the story.

What happened to your wife is ****ed up and if it had been my wife, I would've ****ed that dude up, but we can't take one true story and make it the gospel for every incident.

The unintended concequences of MeToo are already taking effect.

First of all I was mainly responding to an ignorant view of what women are afraid of, which is NOT being looked at in the wrong way, but abuse, assault, rape.

And of course there are going to be downsides. I acknowledged them. There are downsides to just about every decision/major change. Tax cuts have a huge downside, but pointing them out doesn't mean we shouldn't do them, just that we have to consider them, and weigh them against the benefits.

No difference here. Is it better that women are feeling more empowered to report incidences of physical abuse at home and at work, or that men are slightly more hesitant to mentor women? That's a fair question, and one that is probably best answered by women in the workforce rather than us mansplaining what's best for them. What's not fair IMO is pointing out that men are more reluctant to mentor women, and without carefully weighing the upside declaring that #metoo has gone too far.

Next, we're going to hear women complain that they're being held back, either because they can't advance, or can't get hired, in the first place.

As far as women like Uma Thurmon and Ashley Judd go, I have zero sympathy. They could have easily said no, but they didn't. They gave up that ass in exchange for fame and fortune.

The pendulum is indeed swinging too far and it's working women that are going to feel the effect.

I don't know enough about Thurmon and Judd's cases to judge them and won't. I will point out that in general I don't blame women for being sexually assaulted and making the wrong decision coming out of that. The person at fault is the abuser. Period. The woman is a victim. Period. What decision she makes to deal with that doesn't affect either outcome.

I'm not going to look up the details, but one woman assaulted by Weinstein did report the assault, the cops came, took a statement, she was obviously assaulted. What happened? His influence bought silence, nothing happened, the cops and prosecutors did NOTHING. So this woman ruined her career, likely, and the outcome to her was all negative.

The point is when there is a power differential, and there nearly always is, a very real and likely outcome in many cases is this:

Woman reports assault, she's called a whore, slut, liar, bitch, crazy, her reputation shattered, job loss, black balled, and nothing happens to the abuser. Well, hell, I can't fault women for not signing up for THAT. Are they moral giants? No, in some ways they are cowards, but they are VICTIMS who often have no good choices. THAT is the real core of the problem.

 

[HowardBThiname]

How can I be angry when I'm not weakened and marginalized? I'm happy, well off, happily married, have great kids, and love my life. Just because you're weak and marginalized you shouldn't take your troubles out on me.

Anyone who feels the need to post that they're tall, white , a world-traveler, upper-middle class, and well off, most likely isn't any of those things. How much more class-conscious and shallow can one get?

In reality -- a very sad persona hides behind the horse's rumpus.

 

[tres borrachos]

Anyone who feels the need to post that they're tall, white , a world-traveler, upper-middle class, and well off, most likely isn't any of those things. How much more class-conscious and shallow can one get?

In reality -- a very sad persona hides behind the horse's rumpus.

I never said that I was white. I said that I was blonde. Why did you just lie?