Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

[devildavid]

God Bless America...it’s a free country and you are free to it believe in God if that’s your choice.


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Thanks to the men who formed this country by use of force and formed a government that enforces the laws that make this possible.

 

[VanceMack]

Thanks to the men who formed this country by use of force and formed a government that enforces the laws that make this possible.

God fearing men that they were.

Are you done with your religious bigotry? Because frankly...people like you bore the **** out of me.


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[blarg]

I dont declare you a sinner. God does. Your actions do. But thats not my role.

a god may or may not declare people to be sinners you do because you believe a god says so

 

[blarg]

Oh, baby...you need to read the Bible.

god is that true?

helo god?


gods not backing you up

 

[blarg]

No...what this looks like is you roiling in anger trying to divert attention from sin by blaming others. Its a petty and sad act. Im not sure who you think you are fooling, because you arent even fooling yourself.

you sem to be fooling yourself

 

[devildavid]

God fearing men that they were.

Are you done with your religious bigotry? Because frankly...people like you bore the **** out of me.


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What religious bigotry?

I don't know if the founders of our country feared god or not. It is irrelevant as to why they formed the country. Our country was not formed for religious reasons, but for political reasons. It was a rejection of the authority of a king, and a desire to self govern. It was not a religiously based revolution.

 

[blarg]

You dont make sense...at all.

God judges people. Gods laws establish the baseline for morality. You arent wrangling with me. You arent wrangling with the judgement of man. You are wrangling with God and ultimately, yourself.

i make sense if you accept the judgments of others over whats good and evil you also judge things as good or evil and judge people as good or evil if they do what you believe is good or evil
doing
if those judgments are not prone to be from who you belve said them you judge based on faith


if you accept those judgments just because some one makes them you judge without though

you seem to be doing both do you rely want to be judged without evidence or though because other people believe someone said so?

if not you dont treat others as you would want to be treated

furthermore every ones personal preferences establish morality for themselves good and evil become arbitrary lists if they are just some one else's declarations

im wrangling with you and others on hear you just don't want to take responsibility for or admit your own actions for some reason its odd

i dont seem to have a god to argue with could you present one please


hey god do you exist?


gods not backing up your claim it exists


god do you have a list of things you don't like and don't want people to do?


gods not backing up your claim sin exists

 

[blarg]

So, you have no morals...got it...

sure i do for example judging others based on faith seems immoral to me because i don't want to be judged based on faith

strange take away form the post you are quoting

 

[blarg]

For starters, he needs to learn proper grammar...:crazy3:

would be more helpful the going over the bible without a god to back up the bibles claims

 

[TheParser]

It is very concerning that had it not been for the Black African delegates they might’ve opened the door to changing the policy.

Very enlightening that the Methodist Church lets people from another continent make decisions that affect Americans.

 

[zyzygy]

sure i do for example judging others based on faith seems immoral to me because i don't want to be judged based on faith

strange take away form the post you are quoting

In my experience the non-religious have better morals than the religious.

 

[Integrityrespec]

hey god do you mind homosexulity?

................................................................


nope god dosent care


but maybe people should just abandon their faith if it contains evil rather then trying to change it since the faith is false (or if an evil god exists) then its in service to an evil god

Pretty sure you are wrong, God does care. Liberals don't care.

 

[Integrityrespec]

What religious bigotry?

I don't know if the founders of our country feared god or not. It is irrelevant as to why they formed the country. Our country was not formed for religious reasons, but for political reasons. It was a rejection of the authority of a king, and a desire to self govern. It was not a religiously based revolution.

The right to practice a chosen religion was very much a concern in colonization and later in declaring independence and forming the new nation. In many coutries in europe and in England certain religous groups were persecuted and prevented from openly practicing their given faith. The Church of England was not very tolerate.

 

[RAMOSS]

Pretty sure you are wrong, God does care. Liberals don't care.

Can you provide any evidence of that, aside from speculation, religious dogma, and unsupported claims?

 

[AGENT J]

Very interesting, because of nonsense like this there were pamphlets at my church today reassuring members of my church that regardless of anything they read or hear the church is still accepting all members regardless of sexual orientation and gay marriage will still be held at the church for its members. There are also going to be counseling and discussion sessions for those seeking guidance on such issues.

 

[blarg]

Pretty sure you are wrong, God does care. Liberals don't care.

odd thing to be sure of

we know an all powerful god who wants you to know if it cares dosent exist because it wont say it cares

it's true i don't care what with people being gay not doing anything to me

and it seems unlikely it has any negative effects on gods either

 

[Omega Man]

God fearing men that they were.

Most of whom were Deists who believed in an impersonal God who did not interfere in their lives and fates. In other words, they had no reason to fear God.


OM

 

[nota bene]

Most of whom were Deists who believed in an impersonal God who did not interfere in their lives and fates. In other words, they had no reason to fear God.


OM

Why do you think that "God-fearing" means "afraid"?

 

[Logicman]

Most of whom were Deists who believed in an impersonal God who did not interfere in their lives and fates. In other words, they had no reason to fear God.

Most of the founding fathers were NOT deists. Only a handful were.

Dr. M. E. Bradford of the University of Dallas conducted a study of the Founding Founders to look at this very important question (whether the Founding Fathers were deists or Christians, etc). He discovered the Founders were members of denominations as follows: twenty-eight Episcopalians, eight Presbyterians, seven Congregationalists, two Lutherans, two Dutch Reformed, two Methodists, two Roman Catholics, and only three deists.

 

[Omega Man]

Why do you think that "God-fearing" means "afraid"?

It refers to levels of religiousness. Deism on the other hand was more philosophical.


OM

 

[nota bene]

It refers to levels of religiousness. Deism on the other hand was more philosophical.

OM

Yes, I know. This doesn't explain why you said, "In other words, they had no reason to fear God."

 

[RAMOSS]

Most of the founding fathers were NOT deists. Only a handful were.

Dr. M. E. Bradford of the University of Dallas conducted a study of the Founding Founders to look at this very important question (whether the Founding Fathers were deists or Christians, etc). He discovered the Founders were members of denominations as follows: twenty-eight Episcopalians, eight Presbyterians, seven Congregationalists, two Lutherans, two Dutch Reformed, two Methodists, two Roman Catholics, and only three deists.

Now, this is the problem with Dr Bradford's analysis. Just because someone socially went to a specific church does not mean they weren't deists. He included some people in that list whose writings were very deist, but were minimally going to another church. That is bad propaganda at best.

 

[Logicman]

Now, this is the problem with Dr Bradford's analysis. Just because someone socially went to a specific church does not mean they weren't deists. He included some people in that list whose writings were very deist, but were minimally going to another church. That is bad propaganda at best.

Well just hop out here in your infinite wisdom and show me SIX deist founding fathers.

And remember what a deist was in those days:

1. Although God created the universe, he did not intervene in the affairs of men and nations. He did not guide men into the founding of nations, or do miracles, or answer prayer, or provide providential protection to his followers.

2. God did not give divine / revealed revelation to man (i.e. the Bible, prophecy, etc.)

Show me more than five and anyone over that figure I'll show you quotations of theirs where they believed in a God who did not match the criteria above.

Let's see some BIG NAMES too.

 

[RAMOSS]

Well just hop out here in your infinite wisdom and show me SIX deist founding fathers.

And remember what a deist was in those days:

1. Although God created the universe, he did not intervene in the affairs of men and nations. He did not guide men into the founding of nations, or do miracles, or answer prayer, or provide providential protection to his followers.

2. God did not give divine / revealed revelation to man (i.e. the Bible, prophecy, etc.)

Show me more than five and anyone over that figure I'll show you quotations of theirs where they believed in a God who did not match the criteria above.

Let's see some BIG NAMES too.

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Benjimun Franklin
Thomas Paine
Ethan Allen
James Monroe

 

[Omega Man]

Most of the founding fathers were NOT deists. Only a handful were.

Dr. M. E. Bradford of the University of Dallas conducted a study of the Founding Founders to look at this very important question (whether the Founding Fathers were deists or Christians, etc). He discovered the Founders were members of denominations as follows: twenty-eight Episcopalians, eight Presbyterians, seven Congregationalists, two Lutherans, two Dutch Reformed, two Methodists, two Roman Catholics, and only three deists.

One must also take into consideration, in 18th century terms, the following:

a) Religious upbringing of their parents, including the sacraments they were subjected to as children. George Washington, as an identified “Christian”, and rejecting the sacrament of communion as an adult would be a good indicator of a switch to Deism. Same with James Monroe.

b) That Deism was so prevalent within the realm of 18th and early 19th century thought, of not only educated men, but the uneducated as well; despite ones upbringing.

c) Colonial churches were all Christian churches, yet were also the centers of local social and political activities. As a Deist, there was no “Church of Spinoza’s God” to attend.

d) The glaring omission of any use of Judeo-Christian terminology within otherwise religious language of most of the FF’s. There were definitely exceptions among the Unitarians.

e) Many of the FF’s were obviously Christian, but stood united in ideological terms with their Deist colleagues.


OM