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Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

blarg said:
you still judge others if you say what they do is good or evil becase a god says so be honest and don't try to hide behind your faith
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And you're judging right now...:roll:
 
blarg said:
it says to treat others as you would like to be treated by others


your ignoring that if you declare what others do as being wrong based on faith instead of reason

if you dont want people to believe what you do is wrong without any evidence or thought
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If your house was on fire and you didn't know it, would you wanna be told?
 
augustus said:
Our faith does not contain evil, it combats evil. Namely, Satan. Satan and his demons are the ones responsible for the evil in the world. People forget about him.....
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if you say people are doing evil based on faith your faith contains evil if you don't want to be judged without evidence or reason

your devil seems to be fictional but let me ask your god

hey god is the devil responsible for evil?

your gods not backing you up
 
Elvira said:
And you're judging right now...:roll:
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yes have not told any one not to judge others im judging based on the known actions of others and reason instead of blind faith

do you see any problems with that reasoning?
 
augustus said:
The Methodist church would welcome, with open arms, gay, trans..., whatever into a sanctuary to worship. They would not hire them or put them on the payroll or allow them to volunteer. That's the same thing as condoning homosexuality, which is a soul-condemning sin.
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god is homsosexuilaity a soul condemning sin?

your gods not backing you up

why would god have a problem with it?
 
blarg said:
yes have not told any one not to judge others im judging based on the known actions of others and reason instead of blind faith

do you see any problems with that reasoning?
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Unless you are wicked, you have nothing to worry about, do you?
 
Elvira said:
Unless you are wicked, you have nothing to worry about, do you?
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judging others by faith seems wicked and people do that no matter how you behave we should try to get them to stop if you dont want people to condemn you based on faith


dont get what your talking about
 
augustus said:
Our faith does not contain evil, it combats evil. Namely, Satan. Satan and his demons are the ones responsible for the evil in the world. People forget about him.....
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Which I'm sure he deeply appreciates. It's not as delicious as the claims that he doesn't exist at all, but it's very helpful. ;)
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I love how in this article there is a lot of talk about who’s attending Sunday services and not any about the Bible. Unrepentant homosexuality is a sin, you will be condemned for it. A church that is willing to tell people not to repent and follow God’s teaching is like a Doctor that tells you not to change your diet when you are very overweight.

It is very concerning that had it not been for the Black African delegates they might’ve opened the door to changing the policy. If you’re in a Methodist congregation in the US you need to consider leaving, a church that tells you unbiblical things is bad for your spiritual health. This should never have even been discussed because the Bible clearly does not allow for gay marriage and a pastor should not be living an unrepentant sinful lifestyle.

Traditionalists prevail in United Methodist Church sexuality conversation | News | themountaineer.com
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Stupid religious bull****.

Christianity is based on the New Testament, on Jesus Christ. Jesus would not be in support of this. Many christians in this country are no better than the Taliban and ISIS. Ignorant, hateful assholes that try to use their dumb religion to justify their hate
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well except that god explicitly condemns homosexuality in the bible.

There is nothing evil about understanding that disordered behavior is bad for society. It took not even a year before it went from "we just want to be left alone" to "you must affirm us or we'll have the government shut you down" rational people wouldn't complain to government boards over something like Jack Phillips.
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god also say a lot of your abhorrent behavior is a sin as well, nice job picking and choosing your sins. Typical religious hypocrite, just make things up as you go
 
Somerville said:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.​

I don't see where it says anything about "sin". Then there is the matter of who gets to decide exactly what action(s) is/are to be seen as a "sin".
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I get it. You guys are pretty desperate tyo pick and choose which verse helps you best maintain the lie that there is no sin. You like Jesus when he said Do unto others..... but you just want to ignore Jesus when he says to the prostitute who he had just forgiven...Sin no more....

Hey...if you think it is going to work for you...have at it.
 
blarg said:
you still judge others if you say what they do is good or evil becase a god says so be honest and don't try to hide behind your faith
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I do not judge others...not in the least. Not my place.
 
blarg said:
it says to treat others as you would like to be treated by others


your ignoring that if you declare what others do as being wrong based on faith instead of reason

if you dont want people to believe what you do is wrong without any evidence or thought
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Indeed. But that does not allow for sin. Sorry...no matter how desperately you try, you cant escape reality.
 
Elvira said:
Unless you are wicked, you have nothing to worry about, do you?
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There are many that claim they have already passed into eternal life that should be worried, don't you think>
 
RAMOSS said:
There are many that claim they have already passed into eternal life that should be worried, don't you think>
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I agree...salvation is a work in progress...Philippians 2:12...that is not accomplished until the end, whether it be the end of one's life or the end of this world...whichever comes 1st...Matthew 24:13...
 
Elvira said:
I agree...salvation is a work in progress...Philippians 2:12...that is not accomplished until the end, whether it be the end of one's life or the end of this world...whichever comes 1st...Matthew 24:13...
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I disagree with the concept of 'salvation'. It's not needed.
 
RAMOSS said:
I disagree with the concept of 'salvation'. It's not needed.
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That is beside the point...you brought up everlasting life, which is what salvation achieves...
 
Elvira said:
That is beside the point...you brought up everlasting life, which is what salvation achieves...
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I disagree with the concept even with the concept of 'everlasting life'. It's not needed.
 
Elvira said:
Speak for yourself...I look forward to it...
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I think you misunderstanding.. I disagree with the concept of salvation even with the added concept of everlasting life.

As for your looking forward to everlasting life, won't you be surprised if isn't there.
 
RAMOSS said:
I think you misunderstanding.. I disagree with the concept of salvation even with the added concept of everlasting life.

As for your looking forward to everlasting life, won't you be surprised if isn't there.
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How will I know if it's not? And if it is...well, I am anxious to see my momma again, along with my other loved ones and friends who are sleeping in death...just one of the many perks of everlasting life...
 
Elvira said:
How will I know if it's not? And if it is...well, I am anxious to see my momma again, along with my other loved ones and friends who are sleeping in death...just one of the many perks of everlasting life...
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Unless they are all in one of the other rooms.
 
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