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Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

it's just me said:
1. The poster in question claims to have grown up Catholic
2. Marriage in the Catholic Church is a sacrament
3. A sacrament is defined as an outward sign of an inward
Grace
4. Therefore, the poster is wrong about:
A. Having been raised Catholic, or
B. The marriage ceremony is meaningless
5.)There, I have proven him wrong.
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1.) im aware and meaningless to the factS he posted
2.) yes in the church if a person choose to have a religious marriage . . which again . . changes nothing about the facts he posted
3.) im aware and meaningless to the factS he posted
4.) nope factually NOT true thats your unsupportable feelings and nothing more
5.) nope you just exposed how factually wrong and retarded your false claim was because it was based on your feelings/assumptions and NOT what was actually said and referred too . . . .
. . . . .you proved ZERO wrong and the facts he posted still stand. Please though feel free to try again! THANKS lol
 
AGENT J said:
1.) im aware and meaningless to the factS he posted
2.) yes in the church if a person choose to have a religious marriage . . which again . . changes nothing about the facts he posted
3.) im aware and meaningless to the factS he posted
4.) nope factually NOT true thats your unsupportable feelings and nothing more
5.) nope you just exposed how factually wrong and retarded your false claim was because it was based on your feelings/assumptions and NOT what was actually said and referred too . . . .
. . . . .you proved ZERO wrong and the facts he posted still stand. Please though feel free to try again! THANKS lol
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Oldest trick in the book, accuse me of what you are doing.
 
it's just me said:
Oldest trick in the book, accuse me of what you are doing.
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Translation: you still cant back up your false claim so you try (and fail again) to deflect LMAO I love it.
Well here we are in the same spot. His statement still stands, your attempts to show otherwise completely and hilariously failed and you provided ZERO facts that prove otherwise. Let us know when that fact changes, thanks!
 
AGENT J said:
Churches are free to do as they wish unless they are breaking the law or violating rights and this is NOT a rights violation by them in this case. A "church" doesnt have to "religiously" marry anybody or Ordain anybody :shrug:
If some Methodist churches want to align themselves with the sick vile practices of countries "where homosexuality is a reason to be jailed, or even put to death " that is their choice but thank god thats not reality in my great country. Interesting enough that is also NOT the way in my church which is Methodist also. I do not know about the ordain part in my church but accepting member no matter their sexual orientation and marrying them does in fact happen.

The reality is that soon, maybe not in my life time but in about 50 years churches that still do discriminate against members based on sexual orientation will be as low as churches that do so now based on race.
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So what? In the times of Ancient Rome Christians were an extreme persecuted minority. The Bible commands against homosexuality and if you do not agree you’re not a Christian. The Bible says unrepentant sin leads to eternal damnation. If you have a church that conducts homosexual weddings this church is damning those homosexuals to hell by not pointing out they need to repent of their lifestyle. Now if you’re not a Christian and don’t agree with this fine, but a Christian who endorses gay marriage actually hates gays because if/she believes the Bible then he/she is knowingly assisting their destruction.
 
Elvira said:
Find me someone who never dies and I'll show you someone who does not have the disease...God absolutely backs me up...
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You are making the unsupported assumption that 'sin' is 'death', and that your interpretation of the bible is true and from God. God disagrees.
 
it's just me said:
1. The poster in question claims to have grown up Catholic
2. Marriage in the Catholic Church is a sacrament
3. A sacrament is defined as an outward sign of an inward
Grace
4. Therefore, the poster is wrong about:
A. Having been raised Catholic, or
B. The marriage ceremony is meaningless

There, I have proven him wrong.
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This is the logical fallacy known as 'false dicotomy'. There are other very logical and much more probably possibilities.
 
RAMOSS said:
You are making the unsupported assumption that 'sin' is 'death', and that your interpretation of the bible is true and from God. God disagrees.
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That is not what God told Adam and Eve...the Bible supports the fact that sin leads to death...from Genesis to Revelation...
 
Elvira said:
That is not what God told Adam and Eve...the Bible supports the fact that sin leads to death...from Genesis to Revelation...
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That is a story in the bible. That is a interpretation of that story from someone 1500 years later who took things out of context, and then added a heretical spin to it.
 
RAMOSS said:
This is the logical fallacy known as 'false dicotomy'. There are other very logical and much more probably possibilities.
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Fine, let's hear them.
 
it's just me said:
Fine, let's hear them.
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1) He can have left teh Catholic tradition because of disagreements iwth it, and have moved a liberal church.
2) The specific Catholic Church he went to is more flexible than many (I know a case where a person was rejected by as a Godfather for a baby because he was gay, so the parents went to a parish 2 blocks over, and the priest said yes_)
 
RAMOSS said:
1) He can have left teh Catholic tradition because of disagreements iwth it, and have moved a liberal church.
2) The specific Catholic Church he went to is more flexible than many (I know a case where a person was rejected by as a Godfather for a baby because he was gay, so the parents went to a parish 2 blocks over, and the priest said yes_)
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This has nothing to to with the topic at hand. I don't know what conversation you are having, but this one has to do with whether the marriage ceremony has meaning.
 
it's just me said:
This has nothing to to with the topic at hand. I don't know what conversation you are having, but this one has to do with whether the marriage ceremony has meaning.
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Of course, the marriage ceremony has meaning.. to the people who get married.
 
Excuse me, are you a Catholic or even a Christian?9
 
EMNofSeattle said:
So what? In the times of Ancient Rome Christians were an extreme persecuted minority. The Bible commands against homosexuality and if you do not agree you’re not a Christian. The Bible says unrepentant sin leads to eternal damnation. If you have a church that conducts homosexual weddings this church is damning those homosexuals to hell by not pointing out they need to repent of their lifestyle. Now if you’re not a Christian and don’t agree with this fine, but a Christian who endorses gay marriage actually hates gays because if/she believes the Bible then he/she is knowingly assisting their destruction.
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Weird nothing you just babbled about changes what i said or reality. You wittle fweelings and lies are duly noted though but they are meaningless. Also you have ZERO power to judge who is christian or not . . ZERO:lamo

I love when people do this its hilarious and always makes me laugh because of how retarded their claims are!
 
Logicman said:
It doesn't matter. Lusting after anyone who isn't one's legal spouse of the opposite sex, in the eyes of God, is a sin. Sin is conceived in the mind / heart.

It's the same with any moral sin. If you murder someone in your mind it's the same as murdering them in real life. That's just the way it is.
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Hmmm.. I see a divergence of opinion here. Thank you for getting back to me on this question.
 
kitsune said:
Hmmm.. I see a divergence of opinion here. Thank you for getting back to me on this question.
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Well, hatred that does not lead to murder is not quite the same thing as hatred that does lead to murder, wouldn't you agree?
 
Sweden said:
That the bible contains 'truths' is, of course, a matter of opinion.
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The resurrection of Christ stands solid as a rock. If you can't bust it then you need to become a believer.
 
Elvira said:
Well, hatred that does not lead to murder is not quite the same thing as hatred that does lead to murder, wouldn't you agree?
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Yes, I would tend to agree. Your approach to all this makes the most sense to me.

But what I'm having trouble with is this. Seems to me It's not my opinion that matters, or yours either. It's God's. And he has been sufficiently opaque and ambiguous about this whole sin issue that honest and intellegent believers have come to different conclusions. So where does that leave us?. And those who disagree with us? Is everyone just keeping their fingers crossed and hoping they've made the right call?
 
kitsune said:
Yes, I would tend to agree. Your approach to all this makes the most sense to me.

But what I'm having trouble with is this. Seems to me It's not my opinion that matters, or yours either. It's God's. And he has been sufficiently opaque and ambiguous about this whole sin issue that honest and intellegent believers have come to different conclusions. So where does that leave us?. And those who disagree with us? Is everyone just keeping their fingers crossed and hoping they've made the right call?
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That is where your own investigation comes into play...just as Paul stated...you have to prove to yourself what is true and what is not...keep testing what you believe against what Jesus taught...

"Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved. I truly hope you will recognize that we are not disapproved." 2 Corinthians 13:5,6

And pray for God's holy spirit to guide you to the truth...with that, you cannot be steered wrong...

"And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither sees it nor knows it. You know it, because it remains with you and is in you." John 14:16,17
 
AGENT J said:
Weird nothing you just babbled about changes what i said or reality. You wittle fweelings and lies are duly noted though but they are meaningless. Also you have ZERO power to judge who is christian or not . . ZERO:lamo

I love when people do this its hilarious and always makes me laugh because of how retarded their claims are!
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Actually I have the power to judge someone’s words and actions.

This is very biblical. If you claim to be a Christian but do not accept biblical values then you are not.

In this morning’s homily the Priest at a Canadian parish I was visiting used the term “ice cream god” to describe this kind of thing. You want a sundae with all the feel good Christianity and not the authentic whole word of God including his judgements and moral rules
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Actually I have the power to judge someone’s words and actions.

This is very biblical. If you claim to be a Christian but do not accept biblical values then you are not.

In this morning’s homily the Priest at a Canadian parish I was visiting used the term “ice cream god” to describe this kind of thing. You want a sundae with all the feel good Christianity and not the authentic whole word of God including his judgements and moral rules
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True and that type is nothing new...Paul spoke of them as those who prefer having their ears tickled, rather than hearing the truth...

"For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories." 2 Timothy 4:3,4
 
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