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Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

nota bene said:
No, really? :doh
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So why do you bring up getting married in a church as if it has some significance regarding what marriage is? Marriage is not exclusive to nor did it originate from religions. That was the topic being debated.
 
devildavid said:
So why do you bring up getting married in a church as if it has some significance regarding what marriage is? Marriage is not exclusive to nor did it originate from religions. That was the topic being debated.
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Silly me; I thought the topic was the Methodists' recent vote on the ordination of gay clergy and whether gay marriages would be performed in their churches.
 
nota bene said:
Silly me; I thought the topic was the Methodists' recent vote on the ordination of gay clergy and whether gay marriages would be performed in their churches.
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Threads often go into sub topics, which it had at the time you posted.
 
Elvira said:
Lol...wrong...try finding it in the Christian Greek Scripturesl...you can't because it is not there....
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They have identified a witch. The book says that they musty not allow it to live. The fact that JC said that all the old rules were in place should make it clear.

OK they are deranged idiots who believe in stupid fairy magic drivel but....
 
devildavid said:
It is still a legal matter in the USA. Getting married in a church does not change that.
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FYI, the minister is acting as an agent of the state in a church wedding, the same as a justice of the peace in a civil ceremony. They're not mutually exclusive.
 
it's just me said:
FYI, the minister is acting as an agent of the state in a church wedding, the same as a justice of the peace in a civil ceremony. They're not mutually exclusive.
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Yes. In the absence of state agency (and the happy couple's having obtained a valid marriage license), a member of the clergy can't perform a marriage that would be legally binding. He or she could still perform marriages that would be valid in the eyes of whatever diety he/she is ordained to serve. For whatever that's worth.
 
kitsune said:
Yes. In the absence of state agency (and the happy couple's having obtained a valid marriage license), a member of the clergy can't perform a marriage that would be legally binding. He or she could still perform marriages that would be valid in the eyes of whatever diety he/she is ordained to serve. For whatever that's worth.
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In the absence of a state agency nobody can perform marriage that is legally binding, however, the purpose of the Church wedding is to make the marriage canonically legal and in states that have common law marriage statutes the marriage is legal by definition.

The Church wedding is a sacrament, the whole "Church wedding vs. Civil wedding" is apples and oranges.
 
it's just me said:
In the absence of a state agency nobody can perform marriage that is legally binding, however, the purpose of the Church wedding is to make the marriage canonically legal and in states that have common law marriage statutes the marriage is legal by definition.

The Church wedding is a sacrament, the whole "Church wedding vs. Civil wedding" is apples and oranges.
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That's interesting. So in jurisdictions that provide for some form of common law marriage, a couple married by a member of the clergy is automatically considered married under civil law as well as in the eyes of the relevant religion. Thank you. Learn something new every day.
 
kitsune said:
That's interesting. So in jurisdictions that provide for some form of common law marriage, a couple married by a member of the clergy is automatically considered married under civil law as well as in the eyes of the relevant religion. Thank you. Learn something new every day.
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The religious ceremony is incidental, but it is evidence that you and your spouse consider yourselves married. People have to check their own state laws, some people who have thought they were common law married weren't, and some who thought they weren't, were.
 
Example: My wife and I at one time were obviously single and had separate living arrangements, but at some point we decided to pool our resources and live in sin together. We were not legally married, but under that states common law statutes, if we had taken the step of having the Church wedding even without the marriage license we would have been common law married anyway, because one of the conditions for a common law marriage is that you have passed yourselves off as man and wife, and it would be hard to say you didn't when you had a minister introduce you to witnesses as man and wife. The other condition is that you have to cohabitate for a period of time, and I don't know if it matters whether you cohabitate before or after the fact, but since that state recognized common law marriage, if one of us left the other could sue for alimony. I don't know about Social Security and probate.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well except that god explicitly condemns homosexuality in the bible.

There is nothing evil about understanding that disordered behavior is bad for society. It took not even a year before it went from "we just want to be left alone" to "you must affirm us or we'll have the government shut you down" rational people wouldn't complain to government boards over something like Jack Phillips.
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And the other things that god explicitly condemns in the bible? And the punishments for them that he demands per the bible? I'm sure you're familar with the list.
 
kitsune said:
And the other things that god explicitly condemns in the bible? And the punishments for them that he demands per the bible? I'm sure you're familar with the list.
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Irrelevant, claiming someone else violates a different commandment is not a defense for your own shortcomings
 
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