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Men should take slander and generalizations without protest.

Henrin said:
Yes, it is. If it forces association and transfer of property it is an unreasonable burden. Also, my comment dealt with everyone, not just women.
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Minority/disempowered population rights are integral to a liberal democracy. No reasonable person argues this. I point back to my previous comment about being unreasonable. Anti-discrimination laws increase freedom and opportunity for far more people than they constrain. This is the entire purpose of government. Effective regulation is necessary to having a free and equal society, which is what liberal democracies are about. Libertarians really believe governments are the only cause of impediments to freedom, but they ignore all the other power structures that the government can protect minorities and disempowered populations from.
 
Henrin said:
What?
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Vindictive ("she started it!") physical abuse is not self defense. The police have a grasp of that. You do not. The police were correct in your first example; it was DV, no doubt.
 
ecofarm said:
Vindictive ("she started it!") physical abuse is not self defense. The police have a grasp of that. You do not.
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What? How did she start it when he was attacking? :lol:
 
Henrin said:
What? How did she start it when he was attacking? :lol:
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I'm not interested in your second scenario. Your first scenario clearly demonstrated that you cannot tell the difference between vindictive physical abuse and self defense. The police were correct. You are wrong. Good luck learning to understand the difference.
 
vash1012 said:
Minority/disempowered population rights are integral to a liberal democracy. No reasonable person argues this. I point back to my previous comment about being unreasonable. Anti-discrimination laws increase freedom and opportunity for far more people than they constrain. This is the entire purpose of government. Effective regulation is necessary to having a free and equal society, which is what liberal democracies are about. Libertarians really believe governments are the only cause of impediments to freedom, but they ignore all the other power structures that the government can protect minorities and disempowered populations from.
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Saying I will not enter into a contract with you or pay you want you desire is not comparable to anything Libertarians are against the government doing. I also already went over the claim of there being a right to force agreement to certain clauses of contracts or agreement to contracts themselves. In short, there can be no right to force agreement to clauses or contracts as it an aggressive act that forces a condition on another party.
 
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ecofarm said:
But that doesn't stop men convicted of DV from crying victim.
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Most men rightly convicted of DV would not be offended by generalizations since they are not being generalized unfairly. It should be obvious that most men who are not offended by such generalizations are recovering abusers.
 
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JamesBY said:
If a lady wants to swear like a sailor, a sailor gets to swear back.
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Many insults dealing with sex, genitals, etc. dehumanize the insultee and the insulter. I have gotten many such insults and given out as many.

Now my favorite insult is The Enemy of Humankind. The Enemy of Humankind can be someone who believes that a birth group shares severe inborn guilt and has no right to ask for fairness.
 
SCitizen said:
Many insults dealing with sex, genitals, etc. dehumanize the insultee and the insulter. I have gotten many such insults and given out as many.

Now my favorite insult is The Enemy of Humankind. The Enemy of Humankind can be someone who believes that a birth group shares severe inborn guilt and has no right to ask for fairness.
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SCitizen, I disagree with the generality of your comment.
 
JamesBY said:
You see this whining all the time from Alt Right and Far Right cucks: they cannot take what they dish.

Having said that, women, you don't get a pass on this talk: you have to walk the walk or get called out, too.
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Thank you. Nobody has a right to bash all groups of people like this. This is exactly what we get with Islamophobia.

I mean, really:
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Dragonfly said:
True or false?

Throughout history men have dominantly ruled the world and society in general.
Throughout history, until recently women have been second class citizens at best in most societies.
Throughout history, until recently women have been subjugated and oppressed.
Throughout history, men have been responsible for almost 100% of all wars.
Throughout history, men have been responsible for the vast majority of ALL crime.
Throughout history, the population of men in prisons has far and away outnumbered the population of women in prisons.
Throughout history, genocide has been carried out by men.
Throughout history, men have been FAR more violent an aggressive.

If you could separate all men, from all women, and put them on equally stable and resourced planets, which planet would be the safest to live on?

Who is more nurturing? Men or women?
Who is more violent? Men or women?

If you had to leave your young children, and you had both a girl and a boy child, in the care of a group of total strangers, would you pick a group of ladies or a group of men?
Which group of adults (total strangers) would you think could take better care of your children?
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This is a fantastic argument for why men deserve more pay per hour of work. Seeing as how household dissolution shiuld invariably deliver custody of children to women, that invariably means divorced men will have to support two households while divorced women will only have to support part of one.

Gonna need more money for that.
 
Being born a man basically means the difficulty dial on your life get's turned down a notch or two.

That's not to say other circumstances like your skin color, disability, class etc might not turn it back up
 
ecofarm said:
"Men aren't trash! Women... well, I've met some..."

haha
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As if there were no difference between taking issue with a categorical condemnation of a group, on the one hand, and on the other, observing that some members of another group are unsavory.
 
matchlight said:
As if there were no difference between taking issue with a categorical condemnation of a group, on the one hand, and on the other, observing that some members of another group are unsavory.
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You don't get it, really?

You took issue with the statement regarding men, but you supported the statement regarding women.

haha
 
ecofarm said:
You don't get it, really?

You took issue with the statement regarding men, but you supported the statement regarding women.

haha
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That is false. I never agreed with any statement that women are trash, nor would I even imply anything so vile and stupid. I simply noted that I have met women who were not very good people. I have met just as many men I could say the same about. If you feel some need to view men as trash and exalt women as angels, by all means do.
 
We all have met certain men and certain women who should be incarcerated for life or put down.

The MM analogy above is a fallacy of false equivalency. It fails on types and logic.

"Be careful and guard yourself" is the advice Kevin Costner gave at Whitney Houston's funeral.

That applies to all of us.
 
Nilly said:
Being born a man basically means the difficulty dial on your life get's turned down a notch or two.

That's not to say other circumstances like your skin color, disability, class etc might not turn it back up
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how does it feel living in a world where determinism is literally everything to you?
 
SCitizen said:
I do not like generalizations, but I will make one. If men have a collective fault, it is the fact that far too few men are defensive of reputation of men as a gender. If similar generalizations were made about any other birth group there would be massive outrage. Male bashing and negative generalizations of men are common -- and male complacency is partly at fault. Now both men and women have low opinion of men as a class.
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In general, men are complacent for a reason.
 
I don't think this is the mainstream attitude. To be honest, I don't think most feminists would agree with the idea that saying "men are trash" is okay.
 
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