Men not being involved in the abortion debate

[Removable Mind]

I also provided a source from Dr. Ben Carson.

Carson is another Trump’s inept public servants who just lied and blamed his wife for him almost getting away with stealing over 30k of taxpayers money.

 

[Removable Mind]

You do realize the government has social programs that prevent these women from falling beneath the cracks, right Lursa?

Education is FREE
School lunch is FREE
Public housing if FREE
These women are entitled to child support and many other government programs and subsidies.

The case you are making is just not true, not true at all.

Do you realize that you are valuing about 800K of aborted embryos and early stage fetuses over mega millions of taxpayers who aren’t going to buy all that you’re claiming to be free. Social Services and education aren’t free.

If all of the abortions performed never happened and the expense was dropped on the taxpayers - compounding year after year. There will eventually be a taxpayer’s revolt.

 

[Bucky]

So you are suggesting that women just go on welfare? Welfare helps you survive but it's still not a very good way to live. And it's just taking more and more $$ from the taxpayers. And you are supporting that! Just look at my signture. What is wrong with you? Most people know that THAT is wrong unless you have no choice. And a woman has CHOICE.

So raise a kid on welfare, food stamps, miss out on your education and maybe never get back to it, etc. And it's been proven that kids raised in poverty have a much higher risk of juvenile delinquency, become criminals, not finishing High School, fewer go to college, and in the end fewer reach their potentials in life.

Here's a HUGE obvious difference between pro-life people and pro-choice people:

Pro-lifers believe in quantity of life, pro-choice people believe in quality of life.

You just want more boot on the ground, more mouths to feed...I want the people we DO have to have a better life, period.

If that woman is already on welfare, an abortion will have no net positive impact on her life.

You act as an abortion is some sort of stepping stone towards prosperity. These social programs that you want to increase will trap that women in poverty. A baby will actually increase her chance of getting out of poverty.

 

[Bucky]

So you are suggesting that women just go on welfare? Welfare helps you survive but it's still not a very good way to live. And it's just taking more and more $$ from the taxpayers. And you are supporting that! Just look at my signture. What is wrong with you? Most people know that THAT is wrong unless you have no choice. And a woman has CHOICE.

So raise a kid on welfare, food stamps, miss out on your education and maybe never get back to it, etc. And it's been proven that kids raised in poverty have a much higher risk of juvenile delinquency, become criminals, not finishing High School, fewer go to college, and in the end fewer reach their potentials in life.

Here's a HUGE obvious difference between pro-life people and pro-choice people:

Pro-lifers believe in quantity of life, pro-choice people believe in quality of life.

You just want more boot on the ground, more mouths to feed...I want the people we DO have to have a better life, period.

I want to stop killing babies. It is that simple.

 

[Bodi]

Iguanaman I have already stated the war in the womb is a misguided fight by liberals. They shouldn't be fighting for abortions but the REAL PROBLEM.

The real problem IS an unwanted pregnancy...

I want to stop killing babies.

You are killing babies?

Call the FBI and report yourself if this is true.

 

[Bucky]

The real problem IS an unwanted pregnancy...



You are killing babies?

Call the FBI and report yourself if this is true.

Most pregnancies are unwanted. I fail to see your point.

 

[Bodi]

Most pregnancies are unwanted. I fail to see your point.

You said abortions are not the real issue... they are. Aborting an unwanted pregnancy for any reason is a real issue and a valid reason to abort.

Your distaste for abortions is your problem.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Iguanaman I have already stated the war in the womb is a misguided fight by liberals.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU BLATHERED ANOTHER STUPID LIE. Your so-called "war in the womb" only exists because of misguided folks who think slavery should be legal. Don't you understand that a "political conservative" is one who wants to preserve old-fashioned ways, like owning slaves and keeping women barefoot and pregnant? But since those days are no longer here, at least in the USA, and political conservatives want them back, it is obviously they who are making a "war" over women's rights to control their own wombs.

They shouldn't be fighting for abortions

THEY ARE NOT. Liberals are defending abortions, not promoting ("fighting for") them!

but the REAL PROBLEM.

AND THE REAL PROBLEM WAS EXPLAINED ABOVE. Greedy conservatives who want slavery back.

 

[Bucky]

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU BLATHERED ANOTHER STUPID LIE. Your so-called "war in the womb" only exists because of misguided folks who think slavery should be legal. Don't you understand that a "political conservative" is one who wants to preserve old-fashioned ways, like owning slaves and keeping women barefoot and pregnant? But since those days are no longer here, at least in the USA, and political conservatives want them back, it is obviously they who are making a "war" over women's rights to control their own wombs.


THEY ARE NOT. Liberals are defending abortions, not promoting ("fighting for") them!


AND THE REAL PROBLEM WAS EXPLAINED ABOVE. Greedy conservatives who want slavery back.

The lefts justification for abortion is eerily similar to the justification used to legalize slavery. But historians know the pro choice movement is rooted from pro slavery groups. The kkk for example are big proponents of abortions.

 

[Removable Mind]

The lefts justification for abortion is eerily similar to the justification used to legalize slavery. But historians know the pro choice movement is rooted from pro slavery groups. The kkk for example are big proponents of abortions.

You don’t know the difference between political philosophy and constitutional rights.

Slavery argument is a false equivalency. That was about using born persons for economic gain via involuntary servitude. You know, just like you want to impose on women.

 

[Lursa]

If that woman is already on welfare, an abortion will have no net positive impact on her life.

You act as an abortion is some sort of stepping stone towards prosperity. These social programs that you want to increase will trap that women in poverty. A baby will actually increase her chance of getting out of poverty.

Why on earth would you assume she's already on welfare?

And if an abortion enables her to move on successfully in school or work, rather than the burden of a pregnancy or child interfering with that...of course it's an advantage. If it enables her to continue to properly care for the kids she already has, or elders that she is supporting...why should she take on more that may jeopardize her and her family's security?

 

[Lursa]

I want to stop killing babies. It is that simple.

Fine... no babies are killed in abortions. So you're all set.

Myself? I just want to make sure that *women* have the best chance at being equal citizens and being successful contributors to society.

(LOL posting a delusional idea is no way to refute an argument about valuing quality of life over quantity...it's really just reinforcing MY point.)

 

[Bodi]

I just want to make sure that *women* have the best chance at being equal citizens

Are you saying that if women are not allowed to have abortions (legally) that they would not be equal citizens?

 

[Removable Mind]

Are you saying that if women are not allowed to have abortions (legally) that they would not be equal citizens?

If Im not mistaken, technically, women aren’t now. The Equal Rights Amendment failed to be ratified - 3 States short.

 

[Bucky]

Are you saying that if women are not allowed to have abortions (legally) that they would not be equal citizens?

Who knows. Her opinion has been discredited.

 

[iguanaman]

I want to stop killing babies. It is that simple.

Everyone wants that. Stopping the murder and maiming of babies in Syria and Africa would be a great place to start. Forcing women to have babies they do not want is also a form of abuse. Why do you even want more unwanted children to be born? It's pretty sadistic IMO.

 

[year2late]

You do realize the government has social programs that prevent these women from falling beneath the cracks, right Lursa?

Education is FREE
School lunch is FREE
Public housing if FREE
These women are entitled to child support and many other government programs and subsidies.

The case you are making is just not true, not true at all.

Can you show me all this accessible public housing? There are application processes....does not mean you get anything in the next 5 years.

There are waiting lists for shelters let alone homes.

And no insurance which would translate into eventually Medicaid - if I had that for my prenatal care - I probably would be on dialysis or dead.

By the way, a lot of these subsidies you speak of....pro-life Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to severely limit.

But go ahead and tell me how easy it is to get into public housing or section 8.

 

[Bucky]

You said abortions are not the real issue... they are. Aborting an unwanted pregnancy for any reason is a real issue and a valid reason to abort.

Your distaste for abortions is your problem.

I agree. I also have a distaste for manslaughter as well.

The fact is the majority of Americans have a personal distaste for abortion as well.

 

[year2late]

Most pregnancies are unwanted. I fail to see your point.

I am curious...do you have any source for your information?

 

[year2late]

I want to stop killing babies. It is that simple.

Then by all means Bucky, stop killing babies. Report yourself to the police.

 

[Bucky]

I am curious...do you have any source for your information?

You should ask your mom.

 

[FutureIncoming]

The lefts justification for abortion is eerily similar to the justification used to legalize slavery.

FACTS ARE FACTS. And it is not the "left" that is trying to justify the enslavement of pregnant women, by telling Stupid Lies about the personhood status of unborn humans.

But historians know the pro choice movement is rooted from pro slavery groups.

MORE CHERRY-PICKED BLATHER. You are partly correct, but of course, since you act just like a typical Fact-Denying abortion opponent, you refuse to consider The Whole Truth. Women have been seeking abortions, which equates to freedom from enslavement by greedy social-power-seeking men (like preachers), for thousands of years. When was the last time I had to tell you about sliphium, eh?

The kkk for example are big proponents of abortions.

NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH. As just mentioned above. Especially since they only promoted abortions for other groups, and not for their own group (exactly like another group, the Nazis). For their own group, they wanted women enslaved as baby factories.

 

[Lursa]

Are you saying that if women are not allowed to have abortions (legally) that they would not be equal citizens?

I cant think of any way that we would legally be prevented that didnt violate our rights.

 

[Lursa]

Who knows. Her opinion has been discredited.

Dream on.

For one thing, you cant discredit an opinion.

And you have yet to disprove a single fact that I've posted.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

You should ask your mom.

got em