Mean America

[Hawkeye10]

Entering this country illegally for the first time has always been considered by US law to be a misdemeanor. Now it has suddenly become a crime, and we have thousands of separated families.

A misdemeanor is a crime, and given that increasingly the global population is on the move and willing to go places without consent of those who own the places they go to maybe we should consider upgrading the penalty for failure to follow the law, as Trump has done.

 

[Floridafan]

A misdemeanor is a crime, and given that increasingly the global population is on the move and willing to go places without consent of those who own the places they go to maybe we should consider upgrading the penalty for failure to follow the law, as Trump has done.

The LAW counts this type of entry as a misdemeanor, not a crime. Does you law also tell us that children will never be reunited with their parents?

 

[JackA]

The border policy can be defended easily: Trump is trying to convince those who are planning to come or thinking about coming to do so legally instead of breaking into our country. If they do so then everyone will be better off, to include the kids that so many are hyperventilating about these days.

DONE

I missed the "hyperventilating" about kids sneer the first time. Disgusting.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The LAW counts this type of entry as a misdemeanor, not a crime. Does you law also tell us that children will never be reunited with their parents?

I dont know what to do with someone who cant/wont understand that a misdemeanor crime is a crime .

 

[Floridafan]

I dont know what to do with someone who cant/wont understand that a misdemeanor crime is a crime .

It is a minor infraction not deserving of ripping children away from parents.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I missed the "hyperventilating" about kids sneer the first time. Disgusting.

Heretics always are.

 

[Hawkeye10]

It is a minor infraction not deserving of ripping children away from parents.

Maybe these folks should look at it as free babysitting with educational benefits to the kids.

Has anyone studied how traumatized these kids are...and not the parents, they are criminals, they likely could do with some traumatizing, it might just promote better behavious in the future. ..,,maybe these kids are having a blast....

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[Hedgology]

He wants to restrict family immigration, less-skilled immigration, lottery immigration, and asylum claims. That's what I remember off the top of my head. There might be other categories.

In other words most of the people who would be looking to America for a better life, he wants to restrict. HE wants to figure out how to get more immigrants from countries such as Norway where conditions are so good that not many people want to leave and our weak social safety network is not appealing the them.

There are lots of people in Norway (and Scandinavia) that actually do want to work in other places around the world, I'm not sure why you assume the social safety net has to do with anything.

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table2

Norway also partners with many American colleges for study, as a result, there is a huge inflow of international students from Norway in America.

 

[polgara]

The LAW counts this type of entry as a misdemeanor, not a crime. Does you law also tell us that children will never be reunited with their parents?

Greetings, Floridafan. :2wave:

Unfortunately that was up to the parents of those children, since it was their decision to make, even hiring strangers to accompany them! They knew it was illegal, so WTH is their excuse? Are their children's lives really that meaningless to them? :thumbdown:

 

[JackA]

Heretics always are.

Heretics?

Another Trumpite who missed too many days at school.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Heretics?

Another Trumpite who missed too many days at school.

Avoiding the damage done by the GroupThink molding efforts of our schools is a critical step in gaining an education now that the education system has been turned into an indoctrination and career punch system.

One way to do that is to stay away from the Failed University, to learn on our own, with mentors one hopes.

I was successful

 

[Amelia]

There are lots of people in Norway (and Scandinavia) that actually do want to work in other places around the world, I'm not sure why you assume the social safety net has to do with anything.

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table2

Norway also partners with many American colleges for study, as a result, there is a huge inflow of international students from Norway in America.

I know the number of people from Scandinavia who want to move her permantently is more than zero. However, it is not high. And Trump is not making the U.S. a more favorable destination for these people that he wants to have instead of all those people whose immigration here he is trying to curtail.

In fiscal year 2016, 1.18 million people became legal permanent residents of the United States, according to data from the Department of Homeland Security. Of these, 362 were born in Norway. That status, which is also known as the “green card,” brings immigrants one step closer to becoming naturalized American citizens. That same year, 753,060 green-card holders became citizens. The number of Norwegians: 93. The number of Norwegians immigrants to the U.S. has steadily declined over the past five decades, according to data from the Migration Policy Institute, which studies global migration trends. In fact, there are fewer Norwegians living in the U.S. than any other major European country.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/01/trump-****hole-norway/550382/

The U.S. is not a prime destination for Norwegians. And we are going downhill as far as things which would attract immigrants from a country as prosperous and good to its citizens as Norway.

 

[JC Callender]

If I lived in an inner city, I would be totally appalled at the amount of shock most Democrats supposedly have for these children while totally ignoring the truly horrific **** that goes on in inner cities like Detroit and Chicago...the kind of crime and hopelessness these migrant families are hoping to escape from. How about instead of temporarily keeping these children in a fenced in area in a warehouse while their parents or traffickers are being processed for breaking the law, why not just move the whole family temporarily into a Democrat controlled inner city, like a housing project? Those would be much better conditions, right?

 

[Hedgology]

I know the number of people from Scandinavia who want to move her permantently is more than zero. However, it is not high.

Norway has a population of 5 million people; of course it's not high.

As I've said before, most people in Norway migrate here for work and education.

And Trump is not making the U.S. a more favorable destination for these people that he wants to have instead of all those people whose immigration here he is trying to curtail.

You don't know a lot about working or attending school in Norway, do you?

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/01/trump-****hole-norway/550382/

Your link doesn't work, but I'll assume your quote is accurate.

The U.S. is not a prime destination for Norwegians. And we are going downhill as far as things which would attract immigrants from a country as prosperous and good to its citizens as Norway.

The United States is more economically friendly; you're more likely to find meaningful work in United States.

No one is really going to Norway; it's all for economic freedom is the main reason.

58,200 people were registered as having immigrated to Norway in 2017, 8,600 fewer than in 2016. That represents the largest proportional decrease ever.

Norway's net immigration in 2017 was 21,300 – a decrease of 4,700 from the preceding year. The net change was the result of 8,600 fewer immigrations and 3,900 fewer emigrations, according to figures from official agency Statistics Norway (SSB).


https://www.thelocal.no/20180423/norway-had-record-fall-in-immigration-during-2017

 

[Velvet Elvis]

What happened to the America famous for being welcoming and generous?

The United States still allows and welcomes immigrants. However those immigrants need to follow the rules and guidelines that the Federal Government has put in place. The United States has required visas since 1924. In case you Trump haters need to be reminded, that's 22 years before he was born.

Just like any entity. Once that hospitality becomes taken advantage of in ways that are detriment to the host, the hospitality is no longer extended.

It's really simple. Want to live in the US? Follow the rules to get here.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The United States still allows and welcomes immigrants. However those immigrants need to follow the rules and guidelines that the Federal Government has put in place. The United States has required visas since 1924. In case you Trump haters need to be reminded, that's 22 years before he was born.

Just like any entity. Once that hospitality becomes taken advantage of in ways that are detriment to the host, the hospitality is no longer extended.

It's really simple. Want to live in the US? Follow the rules to get here.

Per capita America has long been one of the most generous nations when it comes to taking people in and yet here we constantly see political agitators trying to convince us that we should feel guilt if we take any effort to not take anyone who wants to come here, which is to say agree with their idiotic open borders idea.

**** em....

 

[Amelia]

Trump is trying to restrict immigration in all the categories where we would be considered "generous" to allow people to move here.

He only wants people from countries which are in such good shape that there's not a lot of incentive for their people to want to move here.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Trump is trying to restrict immigration in all the categories where we would be considered "generous" to allow people to move here.

He only wants people from countries which are in such good shape that there's not a lot of incentive for their people to want to move here.

Thats fine with me, we dont need to have more people, in fact the human race as well as the planet would better off if there were fewer people, the argument that more people in America is a good idea is flimsy to say the least even before the coming wave of the machines slashing the need for humans to do productive work.

 

[humbolt]

I realize it is necessary to defend Ivanka..who is a senior administration official charged with women's and family matters with a WHAT ABOUT OBAMA statement, but it doesn't work.

I have absolutely no interest in defending Ivanka Trump.

There have been isolated cases in the past where families were separated. However, those were few, and not a matter of policy....rather a reversal of policy. Trump's administration made the practice the policy at the border. That is a huge (should we say yuge) difference. The former director of Homeland Security said the practice was never a matter of policy and that his agency would never direct agents to do so.

Various numbers of children separated by the Obama administration have been mentioned. Numbers as high as 25,000 have been mentioned during 2014.

During the Obama administration Maureen was very busy being critical of both Obama and Clinton. Are you not aware of that?

Maureen Dowd is not credible most of the time. Neither, for that matter, is the NYT.

Ivanka, senior administration official in charge of family and women's issues has yet to comment. Perhaps she is off taking care of her business interests, or collecting art. As Maureen mentioned, she likely won't be able to slip back and sip vodka with her former friends.

If I were her, and I'm glad I'm not, I wouldn't dignify such crap as Dowd offered with a response.

 

[humbolt]

Please provide a link. Jeh Johnson has stated that it happened in rare circumstances in the past (20 years) and that the Obama administration wanted to expand family detention centers. If you've got something else, it doesn't appear to be reported anywhere.

Johnson was on Chris Wallace's show this very morning. You can look up the show and view it for yourself.

 

[Amelia]

Thats fine with me, we dont need to have more people, in fact the human race as well as the planet would better off if there were fewer people, the argument that more people in America is a good idea is flimsy to say the least even before the coming wave of the machines slashing the need for humans to do productive work.

I am not surprised that it is fine with you.

Just don't try to have it both ways -- don't boast about how generous you are when you're working over time to end the generosity.

 

[vesper]

If I lived in an inner city, I would be totally appalled at the amount of shock most Democrats supposedly have for these children while totally ignoring the truly horrific **** that goes on in inner cities like Detroit and Chicago...the kind of crime and hopelessness these migrant families are hoping to escape from. How about instead of temporarily keeping these children in a fenced in area in a warehouse while their parents or traffickers are being processed for breaking the law, why not just move the whole family temporarily into a Democrat controlled inner city, like a housing project? Those would be much better conditions, right?

Hi JC. I was listening to the Republican congress critters today and it sounds like they a looking to establish laws to expedite deportation of illegals with children who do not follow the rules if seeking asylum entering through a port of entry. It is expensive to house these people and their children waiting for an immigration hearing. It is bad enough that they entered the country illegally and then want to claim asylum when they get caught and didn't follow those rules for seeking asylum either. Expediting their deportation would be a deterrent for those who pay smugglers and coyottes thousands of dollars only to be deported immediately.

I also read they are seeking to use DNA testing to determine if those posing as a family are actually related because there has been a lot of deception of those posing as families that are not. A quick DNA test would speed up the process.

First offense you get deported immediately. Second offense you face a felony. That too if enforced is another deterrent.

One of our biggest problems are minors crossing the border with no parents. Legislation has to address this. These minors need to be returned to the country they came asap. I still can't wrap my head around any parent that would allow their minor to make that very treacherous journey and not accompany their children. These kids end up getting raped, robbed and beaten and some end up being used in human trafficking..... what kind of parent would put their child in that situation?

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

. only a small portion of those arriving at our border are criminals.

We don't need any more criminals in this country first off. Another good reason to secure our border. Once they cross into our country illegally they become criminals and should not be allowed to stay. No rewards for breaking our laws. First offence should be automatic no entry into our country for 5 years. No visa, no passport, no immigration, and no asylum. There are millions of decent law abiding people from all over the world that are waiting patiently to come to this country. They are the people we need. They are the people that make this country great. We don't need these lawless losers. As far as asylum goes our young men and women are putting their life on the line every day all over the world fighting for freedom. It is time they did the same. We don't need a bunch of cowards with their hand out not willing to fight for their freedom. Freedom isn't free. The reason these people don't have freedom is because they are not willing to pay the price.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

More importantly Trump has baited them into proclaiming open borders the ideal, that is to say he has gotten them to take a position that the vast majority of the nation does not support because we are not yet that dumb.

It is the rich and powerful that want these people. They want the cheap labor. That way they don't have to pay American citizens a decent wage. They are undermining everything our ancestors fought for. I was a democrat 40 years ago. But they were not the pathetic party we have today. I remember my grandfather and my father saying over and over again "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

 

[chuckiechan]

What happened to the America famous for being welcoming and generous? Donald Trump happened, for one thing, though Trump clearly struck a chord waiting to be struck and in a little more than a year we have become famous for being closed off and selfish. Maureen Dowd has a column in the New York Times this morning about Ivanka's disappointing performance as first daughter. But her broader theme is the deadening of the American spirit we used to know under the leadership of her father. Read it. Here is one line.

"As a former top Trump administration official recently told me, “Donald Trump is the meanest man I’ve ever met.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Selective anger about a complicated subject you know precious little about, yet people cover up their ignorance with anger. This is merely another attention getting misdirect because the same people didn’t give a **** when Obama did it. This is clumbsily transferred anger because the Mueller/Russia probe is snake bit and is going nowhere. So as members of the anger media’s trained seals, “here’s another fish!”

The bottom line is, you are being played. The democrats are desperate for an issue for 2020. Don’t forget when Obama had both houses of Congress, he blew off the all the promises he made the Mexicans, and separated children and families, and you on the left were fine with it.