Mean America

[Unitedwestand13]

People who are less agreeable, on average, make more money than people who are more agreeable.

and if money is the only thing that matters, then one is bound to live a life devoid of any meaning

 

[MrPeanut]

I don't see the talk as being against legal immigration at all.

I see people wanting it done right.

When the left and right speak past each other, we end up where we are now.

I'm not claiming that Republicans are against legal immigration. The legal immigration system just isn't talked about enough. I don't understand how anybody could think that most of these illegal immigrants could afford to wait around for a year plus to legally immigrate. Most of these illegal immigrants aren't coming here because they're bored or something. The immigration system in general is a mess.

 

[Hedgology]

and if money is the only thing that matters, then one is bound to live a life devoid of any meaning

The earnings part is irrelevant. The point is people who are 'disagreeable' tend to get ahead in the workplace as opposed to people who are more agreeable.

This is why Trump is where he is and the former White House official in question is... well. You get the idea.

 

[Nap]

I'm not claiming that Republicans are against legal immigration. The legal immigration system just isn't talked about enough. I don't understand how anybody could think that most of these illegal immigrants could afford to wait around for a year plus to legally immigrate. Most of these illegal immigrants aren't coming here because they're bored or something. The immigration system in general is a mess.

There are some but they are a small minority. 100% Agree our immigration system is broken and needs to be reformed.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

The earnings part is irrelevant. The point is people who are 'disagreeable' tend to get ahead in the workplace as opposed to people who are more agreeable.

This is why Trump is where he is and the former White House official in question is... well. You get the idea.

that does not mean being disagreeable should be considered a virtue

 

[Amelia]

That's BS. We still do. Has legal immigration stopped?

Trump is trying to slash legal immigration.

 

[Nilly]

We give out more aid than anyone in the world. We take in more asylum seekers than anyone in the world. There is nothing above #1. So, no, I wouldn't say we are mean at all. If we are, why are so many beating a path to our door?

Lol no we don't. Turkey take in far more asylum seekers than we do. So do Pakistan. By total numbers of refugees we're not even in the top 10. Not even close. By number of refugees per 1000 citizens we're not even in the top 50.

UNHCR*- Poorer countries host most of the forcibly displaced, report shows

Of all countries, Turkey sheltered the greatest number of refugees, hosting 2.8 million by mid-2016. It was followed by Pakistan (1.6 million), Lebanon (1 million), Iran (978,000), Ethiopia (742,700), Jordan (691,800), Kenya (523,500), Uganda (512,600), Germany (478,600) and Chad (386,100).

It's misinformation like this that causes us to make stupid policy decisions.

 

[Hawkeye10]

America's sadistic streak has long been out of control, as a result we are increasingly a people who can not live together, we are no longer good enough to pull that off. This is not Trumps fault, this has been going on for a long time, but he does love provoking the elite into further demonstrations of their unwillingness to act with civility.

The nation has a front row seat.

 

[JMR]

Isn't just weird that Jeh Johnson admitted to Chris Wallace that the Obama administration separated and detained children just this morning? You should ask him why he's lying about that.

Please provide a link. Jeh Johnson has stated that it happened in rare circumstances in the past (20 years) and that the Obama administration wanted to expand family detention centers. If you've got something else, it doesn't appear to be reported anywhere.

 

[trixare4kids]

Some people can't stand the truth but here it is....

Obama separated families at the border, too

President Barack Obama separated parents from their children at the border.

Obama prosecuted mothers for coming to the United States illegally. He fast tracked deportations. And yes, he housed unaccompanied children in tent cities.

For much of the country and President Donald Trump the prevailing belief is that Obama was the president who went easier on immigrants.

Neither Obama nor Democrats created Trump's zero-tolerance policy, which calls for every illegal border crosser to be prosecuted and leads to their children being detained in separate facilities before being shipped to a shelter and eventually a sponsor family.

But Obama's policy helped create the road map of enforcement that Trump has been following and building on.

 

[holbritter]

Trump is trying to slash legal immigration.

I haven't heard that.

 

[Hedgology]

that does not mean being disagreeable should be considered a virtue

It's neither virtuous or unethical, it is simply a personally trait that some people may or may not have. Being cooperative and altruistic may be considered a nice quality to have in some settings, but impractical in others.

Agreeableness is most likely a good trait in fields such as Medicine and Social Work. It's a terrible trait to have in Business or Engineering.

Can agreeableness get people ahead in politics? Judging by what most people know about politics, I would say no; however, that is a matter of opinion.

 

[Perotista]

What happened to the America famous for being welcoming and generous? Donald Trump happened, for one thing, though Trump clearly struck a chord waiting to be struck and in a little more than a year we have become famous for being closed off and selfish. Maureen Dowd has a column in the New York Times this morning about Ivanka's disappointing performance as first daughter. But her broader theme is the deadening of the American spirit we used to know under the leadership of her father. Read it. Here is one line.

"As a former top Trump administration official recently told me, “Donald Trump is the meanest man I’ve ever met.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

I think most of us, excluding Democrats know the difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. Most of us have no problem welcoming any and all legal immigrants. You know, the one's who went through the proper process of getting a passport, visa, background checks, paid the fees along with some having to endure a waiting period.

Then there are the ones who who have no respect for the proper procedures and the law. They cross the border illegally having done nothing of what the legal immigrants have done. They're called illegal immigrants for a reason, it means they're here illegal and broke U.S. law to get here. Yet, there are some in this country who think illegals should rewarded and have more of an advantage, more privileges, more rights even than those immigrants who came here the right, proper and legal way. There are times when I think the Democrats are way out of sync with middle America. 19 Jun 2018 YouGov Poll.

27. Civil or criminal matter - Do you think crossing the border into the United States without proper documentation should be treated by government officials as a civil matter or a criminal matter?

All Adults Civil 36%, Criminal 43%
Democrats Civil 60%, Criminal 21%
Independents Civil 30%, criminal 41%
Republicans Civil 16%, Criminal 74%

28. Federal jail policy - Do you approve or disapprove of the new federal policy to arrest and send to jail anyone who crosses the border into the United States without proper documentation?

All Adults 46% Approve Jail, 37% disapprove
Democrats 19% Approve Jail, 66% disapprove
Independents 44% Approve Jail, 33% disapprove
Republicans 83% Approve Jail, 10% disapprove

One ray of hope, there is pretty much agreement on the preferred policy below.

30. Preferred policy - Which policy do you prefer for how to handle families that are stopped for crossing the border into the United States without proper documentation?

Release the families and have them report back for an immigration hearing at a later date Total 19% Democrats 30% Independents 17% Republicans 7%

Hold families together in family detention centers until an immigration hearing at a later date Total 44% Democrats 49% Independents 39% Republicans

Arrest the adults, send them to jail to await a criminal trial and send any minor children to shelters run by the Department of Health and Human Services Total 12% Democrats 5% Independents 12% Republicans 22%

Arrest both the adults and minor children, send the adults to jail and the minor children to juvenile detention centers to await a criminal trial Total 8% Democrats 2% Independents 7% Republicans 16%

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/rbrysksiud/econTabReport.pdf

I think what all this means is that those who cross our border illegally should get preferential treatment as wanted by the Democrats. They broke the law, didn't go through the proper and legal procedures. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be rewarded with the same benefits and treatment as legal immigrants or U.S. citizens

Legal immigrants are and should be welcomed here with open arms and all the help we can give them if needed. Not so with illegals.There is a huge difference in most Americans minds, that is if they aren't Democrats.

 

[tonyanzack]

What happened to the America famous for being welcoming and generous? Donald Trump happened, for one thing, though Trump clearly struck a chord waiting to be struck and in a little more than a year we have become famous for being closed off and selfish. Maureen Dowd has a column in the New York Times this morning about Ivanka's disappointing performance as first daughter. But her broader theme is the deadening of the American spirit we used to know under the leadership of her father. Read it. Here is one line.

"As a former top Trump administration official recently told me, “Donald Trump is the meanest man I’ve ever met.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Often times, you don't get the job done being a nice guy. He vowed to be tough on crime, that includes illegal aliens and he is doing what he promised. Thus, the reason so many voted for him!

Go Trump!

 

[JMR]

Some people can't stand the truth but here it is....

Obama separated families at the border, too

Twist it anyway you want. Obama was known to have more deportations than any president. Still you liked Trump for claiming they were rapists and bad people, and we needed him.

It has been openly admitted that there were separations during the Obama administration. These were NOT a matter of policy, and occurred infrequently.

The Trump administration set into action their Zero Tolerance Policy which called for the criminalization of all, and the separation of children from "criminals"

When challenged, they cite the democrats (who had no such policy) and the Congress (which though incompetent did not institute HIS policy)

Obama attempted to expand the family detention facilities, which failed to receive needed Republican support.

So twist yourself into a pretzel believing your version of these events. Most readers are not confused by the sequence of events.

 

[JackA]

Where was your outrage when former Pres. Obama enforced Operation Streamline?





Oh but Trump....

Let's suppose I knew about Operation Streamline whether or not I did, and let's suppose I paid it no attention, so what? Apart from the fact that the Obama program did not involve taking kids away from their parents, even breastfeeding babies taken away from their mothers, the central point is that it has become a Nazi like automatic reflex to look away from every cruel or selfish or just plain stupid thing Trump does by pointing to something else and someone else. Only Trump is President. If what he says and does can't be defended on their own merits, they can't be defended.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Let's suppose I knew about Operation Streamline whether or not I did, and let's suppose I paid it no attention, so what? Apart from the fact that the Obama program did not involve taking kids away from their parents, even breastfeeding babies taken away from their mothers, the central point is that it has become a Nazi like automatic reflex to look away from every cruel or selfish or just plain stupid thing Trump does by pointing to something else and someone else. Only Trump is President. If what he says and does can't be defended on their own merits, they can't be defended.
Trump

The border policy can be defended easily: Trump is trying to convince those who are planning to come or thinking about coming to do so legally instead of breaking into our country. If they do so then everyone will be better off, to include the kids that so many are hyperventilating about these days.

DONE

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

We are a welcoming and generous nation, so long as you are white and arrive with enough money to contribute to the Republican Party.

No. As long as you are not a criminal. The Statue of liberty doesn't say give me you criminals with no respect for our laws or the people who made them.

 

[JackA]

The border policy can be defended easily: Trump is trying to convince those who are planning to come or thinking about coming to do so legally instead of breaking into our country. If they do so then everyone will be better off, to include the kids that so many are hyperventilation about these days.

DONE

Hitler was trying to convince those who were planning to engage in homosexual acts to make different plans. He was trying to convince Jews planning on staying in business to make different plans. The point is Trump's way of "convincing" is immoral.

But you at least are trying.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

The border policy can be defended easily: Trump is trying to convince those who are planning to come or thinking about coming to do so legally instead of breaking into our country. If they do so then everyone will be better off, to include the kids that so many are hyperventilating about these days.

DONE

Unfortunately the democratic party supports criminal behavior and rewards bad behavior.

 

[Floridafan]

No. As long as you are not a criminal. The Statue of liberty doesn't say give me you criminals with no respect for our laws or the people who made them.

. only a small portion of those arriving at our border are criminals.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Unfortunately the democratic party supports criminal behavior and rewards bad behavior.

More importantly Trump has baited them into proclaiming open borders the ideal, that is to say he has gotten them to take a position that the vast majority of the nation does not support because we are not yet that dumb.

 

[Hawkeye10]

. only a small portion of those arriving at our border are criminals.

Everyone who steps foot in our country without our permission is as much a criminal as is a person to enters your house with out permission.

In a lot of states those who come into our house without permission can be legally killed.

Let us try to keep some perspective MKay?

 

[Floridafan]

Everyone who steps foot in our country without our permission is as much a criminal as is a person to enters your house with out permission.

In a lot of states those who come into our house without permission can be legally killed.

Let us try to keep some perspective MKay?

Entering this country illegally for the first time has always been considered by US law to be a misdemeanor. Now it has suddenly become a crime, and we have thousands of separated families.

 

[Amelia]

Trump is trying to slash legal immigration.

I haven't heard that.

He wants to restrict family immigration, less-skilled immigration, lottery immigration, and asylum claims. That's what I remember off the top of my head. There might be other categories.

In other words most of the people who would be looking to America for a better life, he wants to restrict. HE wants to figure out how to get more immigrants from countries such as Norway where conditions are so good that not many people want to leave and our weak social safety network is not appealing the them.