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McConnell says Trump will sign funding bill, declare a national emergency

Mycroft said:
Sure. But, as I said he already has the funds.

We'll just wait and see what happens in court.

Don't count your chickens, eh?
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I will be challenged and tied up in the courts...Funny to see these Republicans Assholes roll over for trump
 
ElChupacabra said:
Things will get interesting now. Ted Cruz was talking about using the El Chapo's seized properties as a way of funding the wall; I think that was in the neighborhood of $14 billion dollars. Where it will get more interesting though is how the continued maintenance and staffing gets funded.
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Mexico has El Chapo's money...They aren't going to give one peso
 
Saladin4 said:
You one of Khaddafis relative?
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Nope. But the idea that Trump isn't just following in Obama's footsteps in terms of stretching the Imperial Presidency way beyond it's place is laughable.

I seem to recall warning y'all back during the I Have A Pen And A Phone days that you would not like this precedent when it was applied by the next GOP President.

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Kal'Stang said:
After seeing the "deal" that was reached, of course I was. It was not what Trump wanted. That was obvious and many of you crowed at that fact and are still crowing about it. And he DID warn everyone that he would declare a national emergency if the border was not secured to his satisfaction. And that "deal" has nothing in it that will actually do what he wanted (quite the opposite really). And I'll bet that due to how things happened the courts are going to side with Trump on this one. Why? Because Trump is going to use this new "deal" as an example of why Congress is not fixing the problem by giving him the money required to fully enforce current law.
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Can you say more about your legal background that has brought you to this conclusion?
 
cpwill said:
Nope. But the idea that Trump isn't just following in Obama's footsteps in terms of stretching the Imperial Presidency way beyond it's place is laughable.

I seem to recall warning y'all back during the I Have A Pen And A Phone days that you would not like this precedent when it was applied by the next GOP President.

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Your What About What About Obama isn't going to get trump his funds
 
cpwill said:
Nope. But the idea that Trump isn't just following in Obama's footsteps in terms of stretching the Imperial Presidency way beyond it's place is laughable.

I seem to recall warning y'all back during the I Have A Pen And A Phone days that you would not like this precedent when it was applied by the next GOP President.

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This has nothing to do with that, though, so this post makes no sense.
 
Kal'Stang said:
After seeing the "deal" that was reached, of course I was. It was not what Trump wanted. That was obvious and many of you crowed at that fact and are still crowing about it. And he DID warn everyone that he would declare a national emergency if the border was not secured to his satisfaction. And that "deal" has nothing in it that will actually do what he wanted (quite the opposite really). And I'll bet that due to how things happened the courts are going to side with Trump on this one. Why? Because Trump is going to use this new "deal" as an example of why Congress is not fixing the problem by giving him the money required to fully enforce current law.
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Scary really that so many are fine with the president bypassing congress and the majority of the American people who don't want this stupid wall. You're basing your justification on lies. The wall does nothing to help secure the border, in fact it makes it worse because it takes funds away that could be better spent using other tactics. There is no crisis for congress to fix, the only crisis is Trump and his followers.
 
jmotivator said:
It will be interesting to see how he justifies it. I would guess that the justification will fall under 10 USC 284 (b)7 ... but I don't think he even needs a declaration of national emergency to enact that power of the executive office.
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The National Emergencies Act and the declaration of a national emergency by the President causes provisions in certain laws to become effective. For example, in one law, a national emergency removes certain abilities for landowners to file suit against eminent domain claims. Other laws, during a national emergency, allow the President to access certain funds.

So yes, there is reason for Trump to declare a national emergency.
 
Since the 1880's, Congress has controlled the power of the purse. See you in court DIC (dictator-in-chief)
 
Verax said:
Scary really that so many are fine with the president bypassing congress and the majority of the American people who don't want this stupid wall. You're basing your justification on lies. The wall does nothing to help secure the border, in fact it makes it worse because it takes funds away that could be better spent using other tactics. There is no crisis for congress to fix, the only crisis is Trump and his followers.
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Trump hasn't bypassed Congress. He's been trying to work with them for months.
 
Saladin4 said:
Your What About What About Obama isn't going to get trump his funds
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No, the Presidents Emergency Powers are going to do that.

:) And it was a leftist why brought up the What About Obama bit. The left cheered expansion of Executive Authority back when it was him doing it. I take their complaints now with a whole bucket of salt

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Integrityrespec said:
Trump likely has to sign the bill but its a shame that he should. The bill is a joke. The democrats promising to negociate and compromise in good faith and then adds so many restrictions on areas where a wall can be built and what the money in the bill can be used for that the bill has no teeth in terms of what the President wanted. He was treated poorly by the democrats and frankly the republicans again came up short of having any guts to play hard ball with the democrats. I'm tired of weak and spineless Republicans and I can't vote for a democrat because they are so left as a party and have too many leftist positions for my liking.
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trump demanded billions for "a wall." HE can't even tell you why or how the money will make any difference. He just keeps repeating it and you believe him.
 
Verax said:
Scary really that so many are fine with the president bypassing congress and the majority of the American people who don't want this stupid wall. You're basing your justification on lies. The wall does nothing to help secure the border, in fact it makes it worse because it takes funds away that could be better spent using other tactics. There is no crisis for congress to fix, the only crisis is Trump and his followers.
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These Republican trump lovers scream about Federal Over reach, Scream about the Constitution...Now they roll over in a Clear Abuse of Presidential Powers......Pathetic
 
ElChupacabra said:
Things will get interesting now. Ted Cruz was talking about using the El Chapo's seized properties as a way of funding the wall; I think that was in the neighborhood of $14 billion dollars. Where it will get more interesting though is how the continued maintenance and staffing gets funded.
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All those assets are in Mexico. The US isn't getting them.
 
GDViking said:
Hands down the worst president In history!!!

This creates one of the most dangerous precedents in history...
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What are you talking about? The sky was falling long before Trump arrived. We've got "national emergencies" going back to the Clinton Administration. Obama had thirteen, so far Trump has three. If we're talking about an actual emergency, other than 9/11 this is about the closest we've gotten (drug smuggling, human trafficking, criminal aliens, etc.).

Trump's wall would be the 32nd active national emergency--CNN
 
Saladin4 said:
Still they at least work...Not like a lot of those old bigoted white people
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I did not old white people are bigots. My mom seems really nice. I guess she has us all fooled.
 
Mycroft said:
Trump hasn't bypassed Congress. He's been trying to work with them for months.
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Congress Voted him down....The Constitution gives them the power of the purse...You trump cultists seem to forget that...He will fail and be defeated
 
Saladin4 said:
I will be challenged and tied up in the courts...Funny to see these Republicans Assholes roll over for trump
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Now you are just repeating yourself.

Time to stick a fork in you...you're done.
 
Saladin4 said:
Congress Voted him down....The Constitution gives them the power of the purse...You trump cultists seem to forget that...He will fail and be defeated
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shrug...

He still didn't bypass Congress. He's just stopped asking them for money.
 
cpwill said:
President's have Emergency Authority. He may very well have the (narrow) legal right to do this. It's simply not "right" for him to do so
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An emergency is an event that is imminent -- a dam breaking, a rogue plane heading into US territory, etc. It's unfathomable that an "emergency" means a project that will require years to construct and will be tied up in private property legal challenges. If that's an emergency, the word has no meaning.

Moreover, the action is transparent -- Congress said "no."
 
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