"Marriage is for a man and a woman," HE believes

[RamFel]

You havent made any right statements, both your statements are factually wrong by definition and easily proven, but its hilarious to watch you try since facts prove you wrong
Abortion =/= killing
If you disagree simply PROVE your false statement, we'll be waiting

You are wrong again. Here's the proof that you will wrongly reject. A fetus is alive because if you don't kill it, it will grow, feed, get larger as the years go by. Killing it is the only way to end it's life if you seek its death.

An abortion will kill the baby because it is yanked out of the host mother, which it cannot survive. You and all of your friends, who are out for the death of babies have pulled out the stops to cast doubt on how babies die have even gone so far as to state that since babies are not really babies (a lie) then killing them is allowable. They have denied that it is alive, even though all of their senses contradict this because their goal demands death.

This fact will simply never be proven wrong. You and all of your ilk will continue to state it over and over again, to no avail. It is alive no matter what you say, or think you have proven.

 

[zyzygy]

Its very easy to understand. Birth control kills.

It does not.

 

[zyzygy]

Abortion is the only thing, in modern medicine, that was designed to kill babies.

It does not kill babies.

 

[zyzygy]

No. I am walking back from a factually wrong statement, and making the only right statement that we should be able to agree on, unless someone (mainly you) who has been wrong for a very long time, has decided to come in from a very bad place to the only good place he can be in.

So condoms are not horrendous?

 

[AGENT J]

1.)You are wrong again.
2.) Here's the proof that you will wrongly reject.
3.) A fetus is alive because if you don't kill it, it will grow, feed, get larger as the years go by. Killing it is the only way to end it's life if you seek its death.
4.) An abortion will kill the baby because it is yanked out of the host mother, which it cannot survive.
5.) You and all of your friends, who are out for the death of babies have pulled out the stops to cast doubt on how babies die have even gone so far as to state that since babies are not really babies (a lie) then killing them is allowable. They have denied that it is alive, even though all of their senses contradict this because their goal demands death.
6.)This fact will simply never be proven wrong. You and all of your ilk will continue to state it over and over again, to no avail.
7.) It is alive no matter what you say, or think you have proven.

1.) "I" cant be wrong, "I" didnt say anything or make any claims based on myself. I pointed out FACTS and DEFINITIONS that prove you wrong
2.) Yes please post your "proof"f so we can all laugh LMAO
3.) whats that have to do with abortion? oh thats right . . nothing FAIL 1
4.) What about when the ZEF is already dead and or when the ZEF lives? ooops FAIL 2
5.) once again none of the lies you just posted has anything to do with the topic, facts and definitions of words that you keep proving you have no understanding of
6.) You didnt post any facts, not one all you did is make up stuff much to my delight. I love watching your posts fail and me kicking the **** out of them over and over again
7.) hey look everybody another lie and insane strawman . . . where did i say a ZEF is not alive? can you qoute me every saying that . . ooops looks like you got caught lying AGAIN for everybody to see :lamo

Facts and definitions:
Abortion =/= Killing

Let us know when you can prove otherwise and dont forget to answer my questions we know you will try and dodge in number 4#. Always fun owning your posts, please post again soon, thanks!!!

 

[maquiscat]

Abortion is the only thing, in modern medicine, that was designed to kill babies.

Once again, you display your ignorance for all to see. By your definition of "killing babies" Plan B medication and IUD's also affect fertilized eggs by preventing implantation. If you are going make a point, know of what you speak.

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[maquiscat]

so now you are walking back your first factually wrong statement and making a new factually wrong statement. AWESOME!!! the irony and entertainment continues!!
Modern medicine :lamo
Abortion =/= killing

Well actually abortion does equal killing. As does reaping crops. Any extinguishing of life is killing. True fact. However it is not the proveable murder of a human being as he would have us believe. I say proveable since we have no way to prove or disprove a soul nor when it enters the human body (assuming it exists). And thus we do not and should not factor that into law. But the fact still remains that abortion does kill.

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[ThoughtIsFree]

But pedo's target kids, and many of them probably see this as their right. If a man can have sex with another man, and no one tries to stop him, he'll go on and keep doing what he intended to do. It's probably (weather you agree or disagree) not discriminiation against the gays, but common sense, for them to stop.

But you know how that goes, don't you. They'll still do it every time any way.

I've read this thread and see you are getting pounded. Wondering if you are a devout Catholic? I do understand where you are coming from with everything you've said, I can't agree with your beliefs but I do understand why you think the way you do. Anyway I think I do, does it have to do with your Religion?

 

[AGENT J]

Well actually abortion does equal killing. As does reaping crops. Any extinguishing of life is killing. True fact. However it is not the proveable murder of a human being as he would have us believe. I say proveable since we have no way to prove or disprove a soul nor when it enters the human body (assuming it exists). And thus we do not and should not factor that into law. But the fact still remains that abortion does kill.

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sorry but facts and definitions prove otherwise and there is no changing that. You must stick to what was actually said.
They are not equal in anyway . . just like, shooting a gun or driving a car is not equal to killing
do either of those result in death sometimes, of course but neither equal killing

Never said that abortion at times doesnt end in a living thing dying, of course it does . . most abortions are preformed before viability so by default a living thing dies

what was stated and which is factually wrong is that abortion equals killing, it factual does not

No they are not equal
can i kill something that is already dead? no
if something is alive was it killed? no

can a fetus that is already dead be aborted? yes
can a fetus be aborted and live? yes

therefore
abortion =/= killing

 

[Lursa]

For a condom to be horrendous, all it has to do is prevent life, not kill afterwards. Everything you mentioned are similar to condoms. Don't confuse them with abortion, which has intent to kill. Keep pills, implants, because they can't kill babies. Only abortion can do that.

So then abstinence is horrendous? It prevents 'life.'


And of course abortion kills no babies. It's the same as spermicide that kills a fertilized cell...it kills the unborn.

 

[Lursa]

They don't give life a chance to join, thus never give the fertalized egg to form. And thus makes perfect sense. And remember, I never came out and spoke about condoms killing so my question killing anything living. And the two words, zero and perfect sense together. But is it killing? No. not really. It just prevents, not kills. So you got one there.

Your last question, what are condoms killing? Nothing.

:roll:
You said birth control is horrendous. Condoms are birth control

 

[ThoughtIsFree]

sorry but facts and definitions prove otherwise and there is no changing that. You must stick to what was actually said.
They are not equal in anyway . . just lie, shooting a gun or driving a car is not equal to killing
do either of those result in death sometimes, of course but neitherh equal killing

Never said that abortion at times doesnt end in a living thing dying, of course it does . . most abortions are preformed before viability so by default a living thing dies

what was stated and which is factually wrong is that abortion equals killing, it factual does not

No they are not equal
can i kill something that is already dead? no
if something is alive was it killed? no

can a fetus that is already dead be aborted? yes
can a fetus be aborted and live? yes

therefore
abortion =/= killing

This was a good post, we think of abortions being done only to remove a live fetus from the Mothers body but that isn't always the case. Good job. I wasn't aware we've had aborted fetus's live, have to look that up. Is abortion killing, you stated if something is alive was it killed? no. You also posted abortion = killing. What are you saying?

 

[Lursa]

Correct, I did say it, but only after it was said to me by you. If I can throw a condom at someone, and hit him with it, will he die?

Once again, you have misinterpreted what I intended to say, just to make accusations. So let me make this very clear. Condoms do not kill because it does not harm a fertilized egg, which is a human being. Human beings (the fertalized egg) are being killed by the thousands every year.

Sperm and unfertilized egg are not.

Still wrong:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

 

[AGENT J]

This was a good post, we think of abortions being done only to remove a live fetus from the Mothers body but that isn't always the case. Good job.

Thank you . .
i think what often happens is people just throw around the wrong words or verbiage at times thats all.
SOME prolife people want to paint abortion so badly that they just call it murder or killing etc when the fact is, its a medical procedure used to end pregnancy. The End.
As for maquiscat, he's a good poster and im very sure he just got lost in the conversation to what was actually being said thats all.

Now there are many other things that may or may not happen around an abortion or as a direct or indirect result of one but they dont change what abortion is
Calling it anything else is at best opinion and most other times factually wrong.

 

[RAMOSS]

Well actually abortion does equal killing. As does reaping crops. Any extinguishing of life is killing. True fact. However it is not the proveable murder of a human being as he would have us believe. I say proveable since we have no way to prove or disprove a soul nor when it enters the human body (assuming it exists). And thus we do not and should not factor that into law. But the fact still remains that abortion does kill.

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However, it is not a 'baby'. To be a baby, you have to be born.

 

[Lursa]

However, it is not a 'baby'. To be a baby, you have to be born.

True, but it is still killing.

To say otherwise is disingenuous. It's being taken to extreme silliness in some cases: A procedure to remove a 'dead' fetus would be a D&C (or similar), not an abortion. An abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy and in doing so, kills the unborn. If the unborn is already dead, there's no pregnancy, just a very dangerous situation with severe sepsis on its way.

 

[AGENT J]

1.) True, but it is still killing.
2.)To say otherwise is disingenuous.
3.) It's being taken to extreme silliness in some cases: A procedure to remove a 'dead' fetus would be a D&C (or similar), not an abortion.
4.) An abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy and in doing so, kills the unborn. If the unborn is already dead, there's no pregnancy, just a very dangerous situation with severe sepsis on its way.

1.) nope alredy factually proven wrong
2.) wrong again, theres nothing disingenuous about it, it 100% factually accurate using facts reality and definitions
3.) correct and a D&C is a type of "abortion" thanks for proving that fact right and your claims wrong
Abortion Procedures During First, Second and Third Trimester
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

4.) already proved wrong see above

the life of the ZEF plays ZERO role in the abortion. If the ZEF is already dead it cn be an abortion if the ZEF lives its still an abortion, there for they are never equal
while many abortions result in death abortion will never be equal to killing anymore than "shooting a gun" is . . . that fact will remain true unless the definition of killing and abortion change :shrug:

 

[Lursa]

1.) nope alredy factually proven wrong
2.) wrong again, theres nothing disingenuous about it, it 100% factually accurate using facts reality and definitions
3.) correct and a D&C is a type of "abortion" thanks for proving that fact right and your claims wrong
Abortion Procedures During First, Second and Third Trimester
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

4.) already proved wrong see above

the life of the ZEF plays ZERO role in the abortion. If the ZEF is already dead it cn be an abortion if the ZEF lives its still an abortion, there for they are never equal
while many abortions result in death abortion will never be equal to killing anymore than "shooting a gun" is . . . that fact will remain true unless the definition of killing and abortion change :shrug:

I never said a D&C isnt a legitimate abortion procedure. However, a D&C on a dead fetus is not an abortion. Nowhere does your source say that.

 

[AGENT J]

I never said a D&C isnt a legitimate abortion procedure. However, a D&C on a dead fetus is not an abortion. Nowhere does your source say that.

LMAO Cant have both ways . . :shrug:
I repeat the life of the ZEF plays ZERO role in the abortion. If the ZEF is already dead it cn be an abortion if the ZEF lives its still an abortion, there for they are never equal
while many abortions result in death abortion will never be equal to killing anymore than "shooting a gun" is . . . that fact will remain true unless the definition of killing and abortion change

abortion =/= killing

disagree factually prove otherwise

 

[RamFel]

You havent made any right statements, both your statements are factually wrong by definition and easily proven, but its hilarious to watch you try since facts prove you wrong
Abortion =/= killing
If you disagree simply PROVE your false statement, we'll be waiting

Do you want to know what I think? I've got the proof (which I have posted) and you have nothing. And what hurts you is the fact that I will never let go of these facts. Never. I don't even have to lift a finger to prove anything. But don't worry. Im feeling in a generous mood tonight.

 

[AGENT J]

1.) Do you want to know what I think?
2.)I've got the proof (which I have posted) and you have nothing.
3.) And what hurts you is the fact that I will never let go of these facts. Never. I don't even have to lift a finger to prove anything. But don't worry. Im feeling in a generous mood tonight.

1.) YES!!! because its always hilarious!
2.) as usual you think factually wrong :lamo
3.) what facts? can you please post them for us, thanks!!

once again facts destroy your lies and you dodge my questions for all to see, I love owning your posts over and over.

Heres my questions AGAIN and we will all watch you dodge and run away again

What does abortion "kill" when the Fetus is already dead?
What does abortion "kill" when the fetus lives?

Abortion =/= killing
If you disagree simply PROVE your false statement, we'll be waiting, thanks!

 

[RamFel]

True, but it is still killing.

To say otherwise is disingenuous. It's being taken to extreme silliness in some cases: A procedure to remove a 'dead' fetus would be a D&C (or similar), not an abortion. An abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy and in doing so, kills the unborn. If the unborn is already dead, there's no pregnancy, just a very dangerous situation with severe sepsis on its way.

Thanks Lursa, but I gotta hand it to RAMOSS. He tries. He really does. To be a baby, you have to bew born is a good argument, so good that he causes confusion. Except for one thing though. Even before the baby pops his head out of the servix, he is still alive. The fact that he always has to be killed is what gets me. But Agent J has a few things to say in post 442.

 

[ThoughtIsFree]

LMAO Cant have both ways . . :shrug:
I repeat the life of the ZEF plays ZERO role in the abortion. If the ZEF is already dead it cn be an abortion if the ZEF lives its still an abortion, there for they are never equal
while many abortions result in death abortion will never be equal to killing anymore than "shooting a gun" is . . . that fact will remain true unless the definition of killing and abortion change

abortion =/= killing

disagree factually prove otherwise

I've been reading and what I've learned is an abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, a live embryo or fetus. If the fetus is not alive there are other procedures to remove the fetus or embryo but then it's not referred to as an abortion. If the embryo or fetus dies inside the womb it can be called a miscarriage or a missed abortion.

From what I'm learning I was wrong when I agreed with you that an abortion could be performed on a non living fetus. Also abortions are defined as killing.

We can continue to debate this but think Lursa is correct. I did find info which stated you could use either the D&C method or an abortion to remove a dead fetus but everything else I have read leads me to believe that information was not correct in using the correct medical terminology for the procedure.

 

[Logician Man]

Thanks Lursa, but I gotta hand it to RAMOSS. He tries. He really does. To be a baby, you have to bew born is a good argument, so good that he causes confusion. Except for one thing though. Even before the baby pops his head out of the servix, he is still alive. The fact that he always has to be killed is what gets me. But Agent J has a few things to say in post 442.

What does abortion have to do with the thread topic?

 

[AGENT J]

1.)I've been reading and what I've learned is an abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, a live embryo or fetus. If the fetus is not alive there are other procedures to remove the fetus or embryo but then it's not referred to as an abortion. If the embryo or fetus dies inside the womb it can be called a miscarriage or a missed abortion.
2.) From what I'm learning I was wrong when I agreed with you that an abortion could be performed on a non living fetus.
3.) Also abortions are defined as killing.
4.)We can continue to debate this
5.) but think Lursa is correct.
6.) I did find info which stated you could use either the D&C method or an abortion to remove a dead fetus but everything else I have read leads me to believe that information was not correct in using the correct medical terminology for the procedure.

1.) yes, it is, as per the links already posted here and my sister had one along with a member of DP.
2.) then you are not learning because they can and in fact are
3.) no they are not, if the ZEF is already dead or lives its still an abortion which was already proven in this thread and there are even laws on the books to protect a fetus when this happens and why some people not following the law and or procedure have found themselves in trouble and rightfully so.
4.) theres nothing to debate, facts and definitions have been presented proving abortion /=/ killing. If you disagree factually prove otherwise.
5.) you are free to think that but again facts and definitions ? than your thoughts or mine or anybody . . out thoughts dont matter to facts
6.) correct a D&C(a type of abortion) is one method used which again negates any feelings or thoughts otherwise :shrug:

you want me to ignore facts and definitions based on thoughts and feelings . . i simply cant do that.... Ill be sticking with facts and the fact remains Abortion =/= killing