Mark my words, trump's support will evaporate and shock most when it does

[TamleeB]

Wow, a cultist could never have said it any better.................Agreement that no one is perfect (known fact) but full support to someone that can do nothing right.


1) failure to stop illegal immigration
2) failure to get an infrastructure program going
3) failure to institute a Health Care program
4) failure to reduce the Federal Debt
5) failure to unite the country
6) failure to reduce spending
7) failure to address natural disasters such as the one in Puerto Rico
8) failure to stop the revolving door in his cabinet and in the White House
9) failure to get competent people to help run the country
10) failure to attack (not stoke) racism
11) Failure to solve the Trade War that he himself created

So let me get this straight...are you calling me a cultist? When have I EVER said that I give full support to Trump?

 

[Luckyone]

So let me get this straight...are you calling me a cultist? When have I EVER said that I give full support to Trump?

As long as you defend and vote for him, especially after 30 months of disaster after disaster, then in my eyes you are a cultist.

You did say in your previous post that you do support Trump, did you not.

It can be said you were not a cult member in 2016 and perhaps into 2017 when the tax cuts occurred..........but supporting Trump in 2018 and 2019 is nothing short of being a cult member. Name one thing that Trump has done in the last two years that is a positive to the nation or to any of us? I dare you to name ONE!

 

[Craig234]

I sure can. I have a family member who was indeed in a cult. One that received a great deal of publicity and was proclaimed a cult. I have seen the impact of a cult member, and the struggle to get back to a normal life. As far as Trump members being in a cult, from those I know there is no equivalency to a true "cult".

Oohh, it was "proclaimed" a cult. No opinion at all in that. And no opinion your statements about what is and is not a cult. No opinion.

 

[TamleeB]

Oohh, it was "proclaimed" a cult. No opinion at all in that. And no opinion your statements about what is and is not a cult. No opinion.

It was a cult. Yes, I consider it a cult when you are willing to give your own life and the lives of your children. Far too many lives were lost following the belief of one man. So, don't bull**** with me about what a cult is.

 

[GreatNews2night]

I'm not sure that Trump will be just a blimp in History like the OP suggests.

I'm rather afraid that he has already done irreparable damage to the core and fabric of American society and politics, and to America's stance in the world, and the damage will be enduring and long-lasting. Sure, some of his followers will eventually get disillusioned. The problem is, he opened so many bad precedents that America will never be the same again. There will be other populists and opportunists and fascists. Things that in the past only happened in banana republics in the Third World or African and Asian dictatorships, have started happening in America and are becoming business as usual, under Trump. People shrug their shoulders and accept things that were unacceptable before. Compromise and bipartisan cooperation became foul words.

Also, I'm afraid that before people get disillusioned and abandon him, he'll be re-elected for four more years of continuous inflicting of more damage. The destruction in his wake will be ugly and not easily fixable. Maybe it won't ever be fixed, and we'll just continue a down spiral.

The world is going berserk anyway. Nationalism and nativism are rising everywhere. You see far right parties getting stronger in various parts of Europe and South America. Tensions are increasing, Russia and China are getting more expansionist, from the fact that the European Union is disintegrating and the United States is withdrawing and getting more isolationist. Arms race is picking up again. Rogue nations and non-national rogue groups are getting stronger and earning assess to weapons of mass destructions.

This is the recipe for World War III, and it will eventually happen. Even if it doesn't happen during Trump's term(s), he will have had a hand in initiating this downfall.

Meanwhile the environment is crumbling too with global warming and more and more extreme weather events. Pollution and overpopulation are rising, and the unwashed masses are growing everywhere and demanding a slice of the pie, but there isn't enough pie.

We are doomed, my friends. Doomed. Or, our children and grandchildren are (depending on how fast it will happen).

 

[Craig234]

It was a cult. Yes, I consider it a cult when you are willing to give your own life and the lives of your children. Far too many lives were lost following the belief of one man. So, don't bull**** with me about what a cult is.

Oh, you consider it. No opinion there. You really don't realize how obnoxious and irrational you are, do you, with your 'opinion' attack, not understanding that you are using opinions, and that saying 'opinion' isn't the attack you think it is - it's just you trying to dodge the issue, because of your bias and your ignorance about the trump cult?

 

[TamleeB]

Oh, you consider it. No opinion there. You really don't realize how obnoxious and irrational you are, do you, with your 'opinion' attack, not understanding that you are using opinions, and that saying 'opinion' isn't the attack you think it is - it's just you trying to dodge the issue, because of your bias and your ignorance about the trump cult?

Bull****. I am not dodging any issues. I believe I have a great deal of knowledge about what a REAL cult is and you apparently are having issues with that fact. If you believe me to be obnoxious and irrational, by all means please free to scroll right past my posts.

 

[Phys251]

Bull****. I am not dodging any issues. I believe I have a great deal of knowledge about what a REAL cult is and you apparently are having issues with that fact. If you believe me to be obnoxious and irrational, by all means please free to scroll right past my posts.

Says a tRump supporter. :lamo

 

[What if...?]

Give it up, guys. All the BS is getting tired and boring, Tell me what the Dems will do to make America greater.

Nothing.

But it might be a good idea to examine the state of countries that went commie.

That kind of socialism only sounds good when the existing system doesn't work for the majority at all.

 

[TamleeB]

Says a tRump supporter. :lamo

Yes...I do support our President. And????

 

[Craig234]

Bull****. I am not dodging any issues. I believe I have a great deal of knowledge about what a REAL cult is and you apparently are having issues with that fact. If you believe me to be obnoxious and irrational, by all means please free to scroll right past my posts.

Back at you. You don't want to deal with the cult behavior of many trump supporters and your argument is that cult behavior is an 'opinion'. Oh, but not yours. Talking to you is like you talking to someone who doesn't know anything about the cult you know, but saying 'that's not a cult, that's your opinion'.

 

[eman623]

Back at you. You don't want to deal with the cult behavior of many trump supporters and your argument is that cult behavior is an 'opinion'. Oh, but not yours. Talking to you is like you talking to someone who doesn't know anything about the cult you know, but saying 'that's not a cult, that's your opinion'.

I don't think Trump supporters are part of a 'cult'. Political and ideological tribalism are very strong motivators to cause people to rally around a leader - especially if said leader is under constant attack daily by the other political tribe, which accurately describes the left's treatment of Trump.

 

[Craig234]

I don't think Trump supporters are part of a 'cult'.

Many are. The larger it is, the hard it is to recognize as one. Whole countries have succumbed to being a cult; a large minority of ours has. As I've said, not all trump supporters are cult members.

Political and ideological tribalism are very strong motivators to cause people to rally around a leader - especially if said leader is under constant attack daily by the other political tribe, which accurately describes the left's treatment of Trump.

Ya, trump is the victim here. You speak as someone who has seriously fallen for his con and drunk the kool-aid. I won't go as far as cult without more info.

 

[eman623]

Many are. The larger it is, the hard it is to recognize as one. Whole countries have succumbed to being a cult; a large minority of ours has. As I've said, not all trump supporters are cult members.


Ya, trump is the victim here. You speak as someone who has seriously fallen for his con and drunk the kool-aid. I won't go as far as cult without more info.

You reveal your profound ignorance of my feelings on the 45th president. I have not drank his koolaid. I only just today said on this forum that I do not agree with Israel banning the two congresswomen, nor with Trump's suggestion along the same line.

Of course to someone with full-blown TDS, any comment about Trump not uniformly hostile must be dismissed as having fallen for his con.

 

[madasheck]

Great OP. I’ll have to look up that mov.


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[Craig234]

You reveal your profound ignorance of my feelings on the 45th president. I have not drank his koolaid. I only just today said on this forum that I do not agree with Israel banning the two congresswomen, nor with Trump's suggestion along the same line.

Of course to someone with full-blown TDS, any comment about Trump not uniformly hostile must be dismissed as having fallen for his con.

Sorry disagreeing with trump on something doesn't mean you haven't fallen for his con.

Seeing him as the victim, as he constantly tried to con people into thinking, says a lot more.

 

[Craig234]

Great OP. I’ll have to look up that mov.

Thanks. "A face in the crowd" is easy to watch for free online, look forward to your comment.

 

[TamleeB]

Back at you. You don't want to deal with the cult behavior of many trump supporters and your argument is that cult behavior is an 'opinion'. Oh, but not yours. Talking to you is like you talking to someone who doesn't know anything about the cult you know, but saying 'that's not a cult, that's your opinion'.

I believe there are issues with supporters of Trump, as well as some supporters of the Dems. I wouldn't consider either a cult. If you elect to consider them "cults", then go for it. I just happen to disagree.

 

[snakestretcher]

Wow, a cultist could never have said it any better.................Agreement that no one is perfect (known fact) but full support to someone that can do nothing right.


1) failure to stop illegal immigration
2) failure to get an infrastructure program going
3) failure to institute a Health Care program
4) failure to reduce the Federal Debt
5) failure to unite the country
6) failure to reduce spending
7) failure to address natural disasters such as the one in Puerto Rico
8) failure to stop the revolving door in his cabinet and in the White House
9) failure to get competent people to help run the country
10) failure to attack (not stoke) racism
11) Failure to solve the Trade War that he himself created

7) He threw some paper towels around for five minutes. Surely that represents a deeply caring, sensitive and empathic leader? After all he did say, "I'm the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico", so it must be true.

 

[Craig234]

I believe there are issues with supporters of Trump, as well as some supporters of the Dems. I wouldn't consider either a cult. If you elect to consider them "cults", then go for it. I just happen to disagree.

That's fine. I suspect a few reasons you do are 1. You have a 'high bar' for what 'cult' is based on your experience with a 'worse' one; 2. too much sympathy with the views of the cult to recognize the difference between the support for trump' and 3. a lack of awareness of the cult issues of many trump supporters.

I'll readily admit it takes some understanding to tell the difference between 'cult' and 'non-cult' political views. The term has been thrown around loosely, and can be claimed for any supporters for someone - an Obama 'cult' was often alleged, FDR's and JFK's popular support can be (usually wrongly IMO) called a cult - hell, the song 'cult of Personality' names JFK.

As I said, the larger a cult is, the harder it is for people to recognize it is one. People in the cult tend to laugh at anyone who makes the claim, as you might have seen in your experience, which you didn't say much about.

We have entered a new age of information that is dangerous, where large-budget propaganda factories with corrupt agendas create messaging using advertising manipulation to change American popular opinion, and it works all too well. There's effectively an information bubble that feeds millions 24x7, often with consistent misinformation. If you have a blind spot for trump, can you see the problem wit Alex Jones supporters?

 

[Craig234]

7) He threw some paper towels around for five minutes. Surely that represents a deeply caring, sensitive and empathic leader? After all he did say, "I'm the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico", so it must be true.

It is kind of remarkable to watch how transparent he is in his dishonesty. No doubt he remembers the bad PR for Bush flying over Katrina, and so felt he 'had to go' so he couldn't be attacked for not going, but that didn't mean he had to do any better than make a mockery of it and oppose actually helping while he did his usual childish political attacks. Just going was enough for him to claim he did his part for his base for the PR he wanted. Like the El Paso visit.

 

[Moderate Right]

trump has support that's 'a mile wide but not deep' from his cult. All they see now are the dazzling lights of his cons, but at some point, just watch.

I don't know when that will be. There was a movie, "A face in the crowd", tarring Andy Griffith, when he played a very trump-like character who became a very powerful voice in American politics. He just mowed down political opponents.

Someone close to him saw the danger he posed, and recorded him talking about his supporters as idiots, and aired it. His fame and power were ended immediately. That's one way.

It could be when trump does something his base strongly disapproves of - or simply when he leaves office and Republican politicians turn on him. It's hard to say what the event will be.

But at some point, a lot of people are going to come out of the cult, wonder what they had been thinking, and start saying they never much liked him anyway.

They can't see it now, but they will. In 1972, Nixon was re-elected winning 49 states. Less than two years later he had support in the 20 percent's, and was the most reviled president in history. And he had decades of history with America as a leading politician. He had actual accomplishments, and a lot less cynical country (until his crimes made them more cynical).

There's no 'there there' to trump's support. It's not really about him. It's a sugar high, it's hate and resentment and 'haha screw you establishment you don't like trump but we forced him on you', that's intense for his followers but has no solidity, no substance, nothing to make it last.

His power comes from the fear of the rest of his party's politicians saying 'the Emperor has great clothes', but that will evaporate the first chance that comes along. Some have already abandoned him, but the big rush will be at some key event. I won't mention other leaders who went from personality cults to despised, beyond a few examples, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, whose deeds have almost nothing to do with trump.

But their maniacal personality cults went far further than trump can dream - yet collapsed overnight. See the name of the city of 'Stalingrad' for just one example. And they, too, had much more substance than empty suit trump - Stalin winning WWII, Mao winning a revolution in China, etc. They had substance (and great evil deeds) trump does not. He's OBADA - One big ass distraction, America.

Even his opponents will go through some of the same experience.

They'll come to realize he wasn't the real issue, and they were too worked up over him instead of the real issues. trump would like to be a great change agent like a Mao or a Stalin or a you know who, and if he could, this would be a different situation, but he can't and won't. He's just a con man who isn't doing anything but trolling and reaching new lows of incompetence for the office he has. He'll be seen like Sarah Palin.

The left continue drinking from the fermented Kool Aide jug. Yeah, all the conservatives are going to abandon Trump and vote for Bernie. This is what happens when everywhere wants to make weed legal.

 

[snakestretcher]

The left continue drinking from the fermented Kool Aide jug. Yeah, all the conservatives are going to abandon Trump and vote for Bernie. This is what happens when everywhere wants to make weed legal.

What's wrong with making weed legal?

 

[Moderate Right]

What's wrong with making weed legal?

Because it turns your brain into mush as evidenced by people who think that conservatives are going to abandon Trump and vote for Bernie. That's some serious brain mush. Good God, I hope that weed/brain mush is the explanation. Otherwise, these people are not connected to reality in any way, shape, or form.

 

[snakestretcher]

Because it turns your brain into mush as evidenced by people who think that conservatives are going to abandon Trump and vote for Bernie. That's some serious brain mush. Good God, I hope that weed/brain mush is the explanation. Otherwise, these people are not connected to reality in any way, shape, or form.

You know nothing.