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Marci Rubio sanctions UN special rapporteur critical of Israel - The CIA must be abolished

ModernDiogenes said:
It depends.

If I have someone shooting at me from behind a screen of humanity and they won’t stop, and I announce to these people, “Hey, you better get out of the way because I’m tired of being shot at and I’m going to start shooting back. I’m giving you a day to move, but after that I’m shooting through you to get to them if I have to. Just saying.”, they better know that in 24 hours I’m going to start shooting. I won’t want to hurt anyone who wasn’t trying to hurt me, and I’ll try hard and aim carefully, but if it’s the only way I can get to those who are hurting me… 🤷‍♂️

It’s far from perfect, and it will be my last resort, but if everything else has failed at some point I’m protecting myself. There are limits.
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Israel makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers have freely admitted time and again.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Israel doesn’t give a shit about the hostages and never has.

If they did they never would have carried out an indiscriminate bombing campaign that has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
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I'll take that to be your opinion.
 
Individual said:
I'll take that to be your opinion.
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Uh….the fact that Israel has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians is pretty well established at this point.

As is the fact you don’t random drop bombs if you care about saving civilians.
 
Individual said:
Just a question, but what do you believe will exist in place of Israel?
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I don't believe anything about what will "replace Israel". I think Israel, in the form of its current government, has doomed itself. I briefly glossed as to why. But I agree with Arthur Clarke's precept when it comes to prognostication (one similar to Keynes', IIRC), that we are very good at understanding the bubble of about thirty years* we find ourselves in at any given moment, but beyond that we would do well to acknowledge that it's mostly just guessing.

* because path dependence and the contemporaneity of our data sets
 
Apocalypse said:
The truth is very simple. She is an antisemite scum that is recognized as such by European countries and the US through previous administrations (not just Trump, so not to get your partisanship triggered).
She gets sanctioned for promoting Jew hatred and telling lies about Jews controlling the world and all of the usual nonsense (That we get from many members on these boards as well).

If you support her, it makes it clear what your views with regards to Jew hatred are.
Still not personal though, it's just pointing your ideology and your decision to align with racism.
It has nothing to do with free speech, she is not a citizen being told not to protest, she is a foreign official who happens to be a Jew hating scum getting sanctioned for promoting antisemitism.
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Again, more rant and rave mixed with the nonsensical false dilemma you keep falling back to.

I'll make it easy for you. I do not have to support all that Francesca Albanese says or does as a prerequisite to not supporting Trump and Rubio's move here. Further, I do not have to support all that Francesca Albanese says and does otherwise to agree with her on the point that Israel is in middle of a genocidal military campaign against all lives (well, those left alive) in Gaza.

All of this other shit you've made up, "Jew hatred" and "lies about Jews controlling the world" is all you and you alone. I mentioned none of it.

Me deciding to hold Netanyahu in contempt for his actions and commands over Israeli military forces has nothing to do with racism or some ideology of being against Jews. That is, again, more false dilemma you keep falling back to which I will now take as an admittance of Netanyahu's violations of international law and treaties. I do not have to blindly support anyone or any ideology, further to do so becomes the excuse to overlook what should be contemptable abuse.

If I happen to align with Francesca Albanese on some subjects, so be it, but that does not mean I have to generally support her so you can remain in very lazy territory with your arguments.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Uh….the fact that Israel has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians is pretty well established at this point.

As is the fact you don’t random drop bombs if you care about saving civilians.
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Where Hamas is found bombs may drop.
 
The UN is certainly worthy of criticism and even sanction. We are talking about a body that presents itself as having some sort of political authority over other nations, which is a laughably cruel joke once you realize that a majority of the UN's members represent authoritarian regimes.

If they UN is to be taken seriously on any matter, and certainly so on human rights, the voting rights should be stripped from any member nation that is not governed by a representative form of democracy.
 
Individual said:
I'm an atheist, so have you a rational response to my question?
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Is Israel in some peril that I”m unaware of? Do they no longer have nukes? Is the United States, the greatest military power in the history of the planet, not backing their every move with money, weapons, and our own troops? Looks to me like Israel ain’t goin nowhere. They’re even drawing up super final plans for any Palestinians left in Gaza from what they keep telling us.
 
NatMorton said:
If they UN is to be taken seriously on any matter, and certainly so on human rights, the voting rights should be stripped from any member nation that is not governed by a representative form of democracy
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…but then we’d have to give up our seat. :(
 
reinaert said:
I don't believe anything about what will "replace Israel". I think Israel, in the form of its current government, has doomed itself. I briefly glossed as to why. But I agree with Arthur Clarke's precept when it comes to prognostication (one similar to Keynes', IIRC), that we are very good at understanding the bubble of about thirty years* we find ourselves in at any given moment, but beyond that we would do well to acknowledge that it's mostly just guessing.

* because path dependence and the contemporaneity of our data sets
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Understanding is one thing, resolving issues in a way acceptable to the vast majority is something else.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Is Israel in some peril that I”m unaware of? Do they no longer have nukes? Is the United States, the greatest military power in the history of the planet, not backing their every move with money, weapons, and our own troops? Looks to me like Israel ain’t goin nowhere. They’re even drawing up super final plans for any Palestinians left in Gaza from what they keep telling us.
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None of your questions relate to claims originating from me.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Again, more rant and rave mixed with the nonsensical false dilemma you keep falling back to.

I'll make it easy for you. I do not have to support all that Francesca Albanese says or does as a prerequisite to not supporting Trump and Rubio's move here. Further, I do not have to support all that Francesca Albanese says and does otherwise to agree with her on the point that Israel is in middle of a genocidal military campaign against all lives (well, those left alive) in Gaza.

All of this other shit you've made up, "Jew hatred" and "lies about Jews controlling the world" is all you and you alone. I mentioned none of it.

Me deciding to hold Netanyahu in contempt for his actions and commands over Israeli military forces has nothing to do with racism or some ideology of being against Jews. That is, again, more false dilemma you keep falling back to which I will now take as an admittance of Netanyahu's violations of international law and treaties. I do not have to blindly support anyone or any ideology, further to do so becomes the excuse to overlook what should be contemptable abuse.

If I happen to align with Francesca Albanese on some subjects, so be it, but that does not mean I have to generally support her so you can remain in very lazy territory with your arguments.
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You're completely lost here.
The lady in discussion is an antisemitic scum that has made a lot of Jew hating comments you can read about here:

She is being sanctioned by the US for her promotion of antisemitism and Jew hatred. (Probably would have been sanctioned by the Biden administration as well)
You saying that you only rush to her defense because you share her anti-Israeli sentiments and agree with her "Israel is conducting a genocide by defending itself" propaganda is irrelevant, you are objecting to an antisemite scum being sanctioned and it looks like exactly what I said it looks like. "I don't agree with everything Hitler says, but..." really doesn't sound very convincing does it?
 
Apocalypse said:
You're completely lost here.
The lady in discussion is an antisemitic scum that has made a lot of Jew hating comments you can read about here:

She is being sanctioned by the US for her promotion of antisemitism and Jew hatred. (Probably would have been sanctioned by the Biden administration as well)
You saying that you only rush to her defense because you share her anti-Israeli sentiments and agree with her "Israel is conducting a genocide by defending itself" propaganda is irrelevant, you are objecting to an antisemite scum being sanctioned and it looks like exactly what I said it looks like. "I don't agree with everything Hitler says, but..." really doesn't sound very convincing does it?
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Of course it is relevant, what Israel is doing does equate to genocide. You do not get to sidestep that just because of disliking who all says it.

And speaking of Hitler, that explains several of her references even if I do not agree with them. You went there... again.
 
Contumacious said:
In a new attack on international bodies, U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio imposed sanctions on a United Nations special rapporteur who's severely critical of Israel's actions against Palestinians
www.courthousenews.com

Rubio sanctions UN special rapporteur critical of Israel, US

In a new attack on international bodies, U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio imposed sanctions on a United Nations special rapporteur who's severely critical of Israel's actions against Palestinians.
www.courthousenews.com www.courthousenews.com
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Your thoughts on this? What do you wish to discuss? The fact that the ICC is critical of human rights violations?
 
Apocalypse said:
You're completely lost here.
The lady in discussion is an antisemitic scum that has made a lot of Jew hating comments you can read about here:

She is being sanctioned by the US for her promotion of antisemitism and Jew hatred. (Probably would have been sanctioned by the Biden administration as well)
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Not what I read.
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (CN) — The White House announced sanctions Thursday on the International Criminal Court, the second time President Donald Trump has punished the court for conducting investigations he disagrees with.
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Whatever else is happening, this is just a felon being petty.
Apocalypse said:
You saying that you only rush to her defense because you share her anti-Israeli sentiments and agree with her "Israel is conducting a genocide by defending itself" propaganda is irrelevant, you are objecting to an antisemite scum being sanctioned and it looks like exactly what I said it looks like. "I don't agree with everything Hitler says, but..." really doesn't sound very convincing does it?
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NatMorton said:
The UN is certainly worthy of criticism and even sanction. We are talking about a body that presents itself as having some sort of political authority over other nations, which is a laughably cruel joke once you realize that a majority of the UN's members represent authoritarian regimes.

If the UN is to be taken seriously on any matter, and certainly so on human rights, the voting rights should be stripped from any member nation that is not governed by a representative form of democracy.
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Gee, you are aware that had that been the criteria when the UN was created, America wouldn’t have had voting rights….right?

Furthermore, a “global body” that doesn’t include the nations of the globe is utterly pointless.
 
NatMorton said:
Do you believe the Allies were guilty of genocide against Germany in WWII?
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Interesting tactic, does that mean we do not have to learn lessons from history therefor Netanyahu is off the hook?
 
OrphanSlug said:
Of course it is relevant, what Israel is doing does equate to genocide. You do not get to sidestep that just because of disliking who all says it.

And speaking of Hitler, that explains several of her references even if I do not agree with them. You went there... again.
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No one is sidestepping anything, you are just being called out for your defense of an antisemitic scumbag who thinks Jews control the planet.
Your false accusations that Israel is conducting a genocide by defending itself is an entirely different issue.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Interesting tactic, does that mean we do not have to learn lessons from history therefor Netanyahu is off the hook?
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He asked you a simple yes or no question.
 
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