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Man reportedly tries to set himself on fire outside White House

Sabre said:
Like you missed my point?
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Not at all.

He spoke generally of the point of laying down a life to make a point that something is worth dying for, that it's that important and people should listen.

You acted as if who ends the life specifically is the determining factor in whether that is the case but you made no argument. You just spoke on the assumption that is true. If you want to argue that who ends the life specifically is the determinant factor in the worth of a sacrifice than it is on you to argue it.




But be careful. You're walking into a can of (thought) worms. All your beloved Christian saints could have avoided their horrible executions by renouncing. They chose not to. How are they any less martyrs than he who stands in front of a tank, he who lights himself on fire because otherwise <insert consequence depending on situation>?

How?

Argue it. Don't assume it and high-five others who don't bother. Argue it. How is a Christian Martyr who could avoid execution but chooses it in protest different from someone who could live but chooses not to in protest?

Verbs? Semantics? Is that it?






Explain.

Explain, if I'm such a poopypants liberal. It should be easy if it's so obvious, no?
 
Verax said:
He may have caught part of a Trump speech and did what came naturally.
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wait, are you saying he spontaneously combusted? I thought he lit himself in fire.
 
Mr Person said:
Not at all.

He spoke generally of the point of laying down a life to make a point that something is worth dying for, that it's that important and people should listen.

You acted as if who ends the life specifically is the determining factor in whether that is the case but you made no argument. You just spoke on the assumption that is true. If you want to argue that who ends the life specifically is the determinant factor in the worth of a sacrifice than it is on you to argue it.

But be careful. You're walking into a can of (thought) worms. All your beloved Christian saints could have avoided their horrible executions by renouncing. They chose not to. How are they any less martyrs than he who stands in front of a tank, he who lights himself on fire because otherwise <insert consequence depending on situation>?

How?

Argue it. Don't assume it and high-five others who don't bother. Argue it. How is a Christian Martyr who could avoid execution but chooses it in protest different from someone who could live but chooses not to in protest?

Verbs? Semantics? Is that it?


Explain.

Explain, if I'm such a poopypants liberal. It should be easy if it's so obvious, no?
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I think you may have me confused with some other poster. I never espoused Christianity, I have no beloved Christian saints, and I never used the childish word "poopypants" except perhaps when I was a child.

My point was about the Tiananmen Square incident only. He was only effective because he was alive and able to continuously face off with the tanks, had he chose to set himself on fire instead they would have simply rolled over his body and the outcome could have been greatly different. Unlike some, I do not come here to argue or call names, if that all you have then there is no need for us to converse further.
 
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Sabre said:
Don't recall, when was it he set himself on fire? Oh.. never, for if he had he would not have had any effect on the column of tanks, it took him being alive to do so. His life effected a change, not his death.
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But at that moment, he was prepared for the ultimate sacrifice.
 
This is really sad, sad that someone is so desperate to set himself in fire, not to mention the snarky remarks about another human's desperate state of mind.
 
apdst said:
Awww, is he one of yours? :lamo
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WTF is wrong with you? Remember her?

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I feel sympathy for her. Her political affiliation should be meaningless, but you are so ****ed up by identity politics that that is the only thing you care about.

Why don't you give that a good hard think. And maybe turn off Hannity for a night, you'll be a better person for it.
 
JustHanging said:
WTF is wrong with you? Remember her?

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I feel sympathy for her. Her political affiliation should be meaningless, but you are so ****ed up by identity politics that that is the only thing you care about.

Why don't you give that a good hard think. And maybe turn off Hannity for a night, you'll be a better person for it.
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Remember this? :lamo
 

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apdst said:
Remember this? :lamo
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Nope. Now you're trying to deflect from how ****ed up your previous post was.

In all sincerity, I feel sympathy for you too. What must be going on inside your head to think like that. :(
 
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