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Bodhisattva said:
How do traffic accidents relate to abortion?
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They relate to pregnancy and child birth. They are both problems that you caused which put another person's life at risk, and therefore you must bear the monetary consequences of them, but neither can be used as a justification to impose physical harm to you even if it's as simple as a little pinprick. That is why a woman can legally abort to avoid the pain and suffering of child birth, but neither a man nor a woman can avoid their financial obligations once the birth is complete.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I've come close a couple of times to mentioning this but held off -- waiting until someone else brought it up. It's incredibly embarrassing to me as a woman to know that other women do this, yet, I have known these types of women since I just a young girl. What they do should shame them to their very core, because it gives all women a bad name. It makes women appear to be needy, dishonest and deceptive.

Whisper, a website that allows members to share secrets is a repository of admissions from women who have tricked boyfriends/husbands. Scrolling down through these will make you nauseous.
https://www.babygaga.com/15-whisper-confessions-of-women-who-tricked-their-partner-into-pregnancy/

Sadly, these women have no self-esteem, and the current laws not only protect them, but encourage a whole new generation of females to pull the same trick.
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Wear condoms. Do not drunk copulate.
 
Removable Mind said:
Do you consider this type of situation the rule, not the exception?
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Neither the exception, nor the rule. Common, however, I'd guess about 20% of females have done it -- or tried to do it. And, the consequences are not small -- this is life-changing trickery.

This is also one thing that would likely be reduced if we had a law that allowed men to opt-out. If you checked out the link I posted, you'd find that some women do it knowing full well they'll get 18 years of child support, and, although that's not a huge amount of money, it's great revenge on a guy who doesn't want to stay with them. And, of course, it's wrong to bring a child into the world that way.
 
ecofarm said:
"Woman, you will abort that baby or die penniless. I will have no responsibility for my actions".

Yeah, that's not Stone Age. Maybe the man should be allowed to sell the woman to recoup his costs?
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Maybe the man should turn over all his assets for the good of the child?
 
year2late said:
When a woman aborts, it is usually not just about money. She is not in a social, physical, financial, emotional postion to be pregnant - let alone have a child.
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No reason is required for one
 
MrWonka said:
They relate to pregnancy and child birth. They are both problems that you caused which put another person's life at risk, and therefore you must bear the monetary consequences of them, but neither can be used as a justification to impose physical harm to you even if it's as simple as a little pinprick. That is why a woman can legally abort to avoid the pain and suffering of child birth, but neither a man nor a woman can avoid their financial obligations once the birth is complete.
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Cool. Now adress the topic of post conception pre birth male opt out as outlined in the OP.
 
year2late said:
Wear condoms. Do not drunk copulate.
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Women do this... so do men i found when reading about it. Posting a slogan does not help in the real world with the millions of variables.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I can't disagree with that -- but did you check out the link I posted? We're talking about some gals who poke holes in condoms.
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How do they get in her possession.

If I was a guy, they would be on my person. I would never accept theirs. My brand my dick.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Women do this... so do men i found when reading about it. Posting a slogan does not help in the real world with the millions of variables.
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What is the variable? Beer or Wild Turkey?
 
year2late said:
How do they get in her possession.

If I was a guy, they would be on my person. I would never accept theirs. My brand my dick.
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Who knows how they do it -- probably a number of ways, but I think the problem is that both men and women want to trust that the person they are intimate with is honest and would not deceive them. They let their guard down and they are taken advantage of.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Who knows how they do it -- probably a number of ways, but I think the problem is that both men and women want to trust that the person they are intimate with is honest and would not deceive them. They let their guard down and they are taken advantage of.
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Well. they need to figure it out and stop whining about the consequences of their own actions.

If they are not ready to have the responsibilities of being a parent, they need to accept the personal responsibility of preventing pregnancy and stop blaming it on booze or women with agendas.

Like I said, if I was a guy and I did not want any responsibilities of fatherhood....I would bring my own condoms....stay "sober enough: and make sure to dispose of my own condoms.

Period.

But like I said...my primary concern is that as a taxpayer, I am not tapped before both parents are.
 
year2late said:
Well. they need to figure it out and stop whining about the consequences of their own actions.

If they are not ready to have the responsibilities of being a parent, they need to accept the personal responsibility of preventing pregnancy and stop blaming it on booze or women with agendas.

Like I said, if I was a guy and I did not want any responsibilities of fatherhood....I would bring my own condoms....stay "sober enough: and make sure to dispose of my own condoms.

Period.

But like I said...my primary concern is that as a taxpayer, I am not tapped before both parents are.
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The woman gets to opt out after conception. That should apply to the man too.
 
vegas giants said:
The woman gets to opt out after conception. That should apply to the man too.
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Well, when the male is pregnant...he can have the same opt out.

You want fair. There is no fair.

If you want equal. There can be no exact equal.

If a baby is born, it is less about the idiot parents and more about the child being supported ...and as much as possible,,,,,not by the taxpayers,
 
year2late said:
Well, when the male is pregnant...he can have the same opt out.

You want fair. There is no fair.

If you want equal. There can be no exact equal.

If a baby is born, it is less about the idiot parents and more about the child being supported ...and as much as possible,,,,,not by the taxpayers,
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Not exact equal. Just as equal as possible. The man can pay a small amount for pain and suffering of the abortion if needed. This is a common legal remedy.
 
year2late said:
Well. they need to figure it out and stop whining about the consequences of their own actions.

If they are not ready to have the responsibilities of being a parent, they need to accept the personal responsibility of preventing pregnancy and stop blaming it on booze or women with agendas.

Like I said, if I was a guy and I did not want any responsibilities of fatherhood....I would bring my own condoms....stay "sober enough: and make sure to dispose of my own condoms.

Period.

But like I said...my primary concern is that as a taxpayer, I am not tapped before both parents are.
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Speaking as a liberal, this concern for taxpayers has got to be one of the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen. The fact is, as progressives, we're willing to have taxpayers foot the bill for health care, education, infrastructure, defense, nutrition, equality, etc., etc., etc. In addition, we're willing to support progressive taxation and child tax credits and earned income credit and so many other programs that let the poor draw from the coffers filled by the wealthy. All of this with no expectation that those receiving benefits have to pay it back.

The ONLY group of people that have to pay back taxpayers for receiving benefits is non-custodial parents. And that debt is NON-DISCHARGEABLE! You can have your wages garnisheed for the rest of your life because you and your kids needed assistance. Only non-custodial parents face that kind of retribution for getting help. How can you justify that!? Because to me, it just look like blatant sexism! Explain yourself, progressive!
 
year2late said:
Well. they need to figure it out and stop whining about the consequences of their own actions.

If they are not ready to have the responsibilities of being a parent, they need to accept the personal responsibility of preventing pregnancy and stop blaming it on booze or women with agendas.
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That's not right. Look at how many abortions are performed every year -- all from women who weren't ready for parenthood, and yet they didn't prevent the pregnancies. We can say what people should do but reality is that people do things other than they should. An 18-year-long commitment is a harsh punishment for a lapse in judgement.

Like I said, if I was a guy and I did not want any responsibilities of fatherhood....I would bring my own condoms....stay "sober enough: and make sure to dispose of my own condoms.

Period.

But like I said...my primary concern is that as a taxpayer, I am not tapped before both parents are.
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And we should teach our sons that as well as our daughters, but, unwanted pregnancies still occur and both parties should have a post-conception opportunity to opt-out.

And, I firmly believe that's on the not-too-distant horizon.
 
vegas giants said:
Not exact equal. Just as equal as possible. The man can pay a small amount for pain and suffering of the abortion if needed. This is a common legal remedy.
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The remedy is not for the mother. It is for the child (and possibly the taxpayer as well)
 
HowardBThiname said:
Neither the exception, nor the rule. Common, however, I'd guess about 20% of females have done it -- or tried to do it. And, the consequences are not small -- this is life-changing trickery.

This is also one thing that would likely be reduced if we had a law that allowed men to opt-out. If you checked out the link I posted, you'd find that some women do it knowing full well they'll get 18 years of child support, and, although that's not a huge amount of money, it's great revenge on a guy who doesn't want to stay with them. And, of course, it's wrong to bring a child into the world that way.
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The entire set of issues around unwanted pregnancies are complex and are usually paths to significant consequences.

I'm not denying that women entrap men. 20% of incidents of women entrapping men is a statically significant number. What leads you to think 20% is a close estimate?
 
year2late said:
The remedy is not for the mother. It is for the child (and possibly the taxpayer as well)
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The child does not exist as a person so can not be a party to this action
 
HowardBThiname said:
I can't disagree with that -- but did you check out the link I posted? We're talking about some gals who poke holes in condoms.
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How can it be proven in court that conception deception has been committed by the woman or the man? If provability is reasonably easy then is it unlawful?

I ran across a site where it stated that the CDC conducted a study that involves over 10 million women who only about 10% admitted to deception. Another similar study was conducted with men and it was just over 9% who admitted to deception.

I haven't pursued verifying the above, but it doesn't seem unreasonable.

I think that if deception can be proven then it should be a felony and sentenced to the maximum penalty. But then if it the guilty party is a man it would be difficult to collect child support from someone serving time. And if it's a woman, a child will have to be placed somewhere.

So many issues regarding unwanted pregnancies and/or conception deception - with serious consequences.
 
vegas giants said:
The child does not exist as a person so can not be a party to this action
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And it is not until it is born. It is child support...not pregnancy support.
 
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