Lying Down While Black: 'Merka

[Lutherf]

Someone else found the answer you couldn't provide.



Thank you. As a Brit - seeing so many handguns out for a traffic violation is very unusual. Is that how your police are trained in the USA?

For this type of engagement it is. The driver here did a few things that were very much out of the ordinary and that includes pulling into a residential driveway.

 

[PirateMk1]

Nice fantasy.

Good read.

I call it as I see it. Most of the police where I used to live were quite corrupt. Scum the majority of them. Most earned it when they got themselves shot.

 

[Port & Starboard]

i call it as i see it. Most of the police where i used to live were quite corrupt. Scum the majority of them. Most earned it when they got themselves shot.

lol.

Ok!

 

[Port & Starboard]

Clear that "de-escalation" is a word you and your police are unused to.

British cops wouldn't last 5 minutes in south side Chicago on the weekend.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

British cops wouldn't last 5 minutes in south side Chicago on the weekend.

British cops aren't perfect, we've had our bad ones but they are generally trained to de-escalate or handle situations better than I saw here.

For this type of engagement it is. The driver here did a few things that were very much out of the ordinary and that includes pulling into a residential driveway.

so post 99 is wrong? What you see in the video is normal everyday occurence for US police?

 

[pinqy]

I bet he's still alive

So is Tye Anders. Who was not tazed or beaten or mistreated in any way. There are very very few cases where the police commit an unjustified homicide but public perception has blown it out of proportion.

 

[pinqy]

Someone else found the answer you couldn't provide.



Thank you. As a Brit - seeing so many handguns out for a traffic violation is very unusual. Is that how your police are trained in the USA?

The guns were not drawn for the traffic violation. The guns were drawn because he had evaded and refused to follow orders to exit. Second only to domestic disturbance calls, traffic stops are extremely dangerous for cops. For a normal traffic stop where the driver acts appropriately, guns are never drawn. Only in the case of a felony stop are guns drawn immediately. If he had gotten out immediately, without acting erratically, no weapons would have been drawn

 

[Rogue Valley]

so post 99 is wrong? What you see in the video is normal everyday occurence for US police?

Usually when a car won't stop and eventually pulls into a driveway, it is usually because the driver has a suspended or revoked driving license. They think that if they can make it home and on their property then their vehicle can't be impounded. (It can). Sometimes their gamble pays off and the vehicle is not impounded due to other considerations such as an obviously pregnant wife, a handicapped kid with special needs, etc.

The unwritten rule among cops is that every cop goes home unharmed after their shift. If that requires drawing their service weapon in a possibly dicey situation, then so be it. Problems crop up if the perp doesn't do exactly as instructed, or the police force has poor training, bad habits, and a lack of discipline. And oftentimes because there exists an underlying friction between a majority white police force and minority citizens. This is why many LEO's try very hard to diversify their force composition.

 

[Lutherf]

British cops aren't perfect, we've had our bad ones but they are generally trained to de-escalate or handle situations better than I saw here.



so post 99 is wrong? What you see in the video is normal everyday occurence for US police?

I don't necessarily disagree with #99 but I'm not sure if he or she watched the full length video of the encounter. The cops were pretty much "by the book" with the exception of nobody intercepting grandma before she got involved.

The driver refused to exit the vehicle for 5 minutes and when he did he was exceedingly agitated but, on the whole, non-threatening. Guns remained on the suspect because of his erratic behavior and because nobody had searched him yet. It isn't unheard of for violent suspects to intentionally act irrationally in an effort to distract engaging officers. I have no problem with the suspect being held at gunpoint once he exited the vehicle.

 

[Felis Leo]

First we have too many police officers, most simply do not have the temperament necessary to do the job properly. Secondly their training is such that it militarizes and makes them emphasis law enforcement rather than what they originally were which is peace officers, the mentality is completely different. The solution is much more careful continuous vetting of officers and far less of them, paid much much more. This is a specialized job that requires a talent and personality combination that is quite frankly rare it needs to be compensated such that those people see it as a viable first or second career. Further it should be encouraged people should go back to defending themselves and resolving problems on their own rather than calling the police at first sign of trouble. The community should also not use the local police as a source of revenue generation.

I say bring back open carry in every single state.

 

[Port & Starboard]

British cops aren't perfect, we've had our bad ones but they are generally trained to de-escalate or handle situations better than I saw here.



so post 99 is wrong? What you see in the video is normal everyday occurence for US police?

You have made an assertion based on watching a single video.

It only proves that you create narratives based on assumptions.

:roll:

 

[Infinite Chaos]

~ If he had gotten out immediately, without acting erratically, no weapons would have been drawn

Yet you posted a video of a white Judge being hauled out of his car for not getting out immediately. No weapons drawn until much later when the cop tased the judge.

You can't have it both ways.

~ I have no problem with the suspect being held at gunpoint once he exited the vehicle.

The only positive is that it didn't end in shootings. You pull a gun and aim it at someone - especially a very young man and they will react badly. That's what "being young" means. You haven't learned yet how to deal with stressful situations. The story I linked reminds me why I warn my kids and any black people I know never to travel to the USA. I look like this professor, I even have the same job and was born the same year as him.
You are a horrible, horrible society.

You have made an assertion based on watching a single video.

It only proves that you create narratives based on assumptions.

:roll:

I've seen several of these appalling videos including the black guy shot by the policeman at a petrol station for going for his wallet after he was.... instructed to go for his wallet. I remember the defence for the shooting then was "he went too fast..."

 

[Port & Starboard]

Yet you posted a video of a white Judge being hauled out of his car for not getting out immediately. No weapons drawn until much later when the cop tased the judge.

You can't have it both ways.



The only positive is that it didn't end in shootings. You pull a gun and aim it at someone - especially a very young man and they will react badly. That's what "being young" means. You haven't learned yet how to deal with stressful situations. The story I linked reminds me why I warn my kids and any black people I know never to travel to the USA. I look like this professor, I even have the same job and was born the same year as him.
You are a horrible, horrible society.



I've seen several of these appalling videos including the black guy shot by the policeman at a petrol station for going for his wallet after he was.... instructed to go for his wallet. I remember the defence for the shooting then was "he went too fast..."

I've read about many cops being shot for the sole reason of serving warrants, or pulling a car over. Is that a reason to kill a cop?

49 shot and killed last year alone.

Perhaps you should look in from the other side of the issue and see what they deal with as well.

Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP)

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I've read about many cops being shot for the sole reason of serving warrants, or pulling a car over. Is that a reason to kill a cop?

49 shot and killed last year alone.

Perhaps you should look in from the other side of the issue and see what they deal with as well.

Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP)

Perhaps you need to look at your society.

We have a similar page and over 50% of annual police deaths on duty are either illness / stroke while on duty or hit by speeding driver.

Police Roll Of Honour Trust

You could probably count on 1 hand the number of our police shot and killed in a 10 year period while serving warrants / pulling a car over.

 

[Peter King]

This is ****ing insanity. Not a lick of sense between them.

Sadly conflict resolution or a reasonable relationship with a large part of the US population is beyond some police officers. I can understand why black people are nervous/scared if they come into contact with the police.

 

[holbritter]

Uh, my remark was generic and not specific to this particular event.

That wasn't clear. Apologies.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Perhaps you need to look at your society.

We have a similar page and over 50% of annual police deaths on duty are either illness / stroke while on duty or hit by speeding driver.

Police Roll Of Honour Trust

You could probably count on 1 hand the number of our police shot and killed in a 10 year period while serving warrants / pulling a car over.

The culture of violence in the USA is what it is, and it doesn't lay at the feet of any one particular race or ethnicity.

It will never change in my lifetime.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

The culture of violence in the USA is what it is, and it doesn't lay at the feet of any one particular race or ethnicity.

It will never change in my lifetime.

On this one thing, I agree with you.

Question for your future society is whether you wish to change or not. I watched the Space-X launch last night and listened to someone (could have been Elon Musk) talking about Human society spreading to Mars - I suggest very politely that American culture is not the model we wish to export to other planets.