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Lying Down While Black: 'Merka

He didn’t pull over when they tried to stop him. He sat in the car for six minutes while they tried to talk him out rather than approach and create a situation. They did not draw their guns until he did get out and they had no idea what he would do. When he finally does get out, he yells, and screams, does not listen. He eventually gets on his knees instead of complying and then goes flat.
They did not know he was unarmed and lying on your stomach does not make you defenseless.

None of which matters. He lay flat and didn't move. They kept escalating.


"They did not know" is the voice of police apologists. How horribly dishonest. You can look at any situation in hindsight and make a "did not know" statement. "Did not know" is an intellectually dishonest way of excusing anything you feel like excusing.


You'll sing the same tune unless it happens to one of yours.
 
I don't need your link to a video. There was a video in the article I linked.

I can say he clearly was not a threat because he did stop at the house, he did get out, and then he lay down and didn't move a muscle. If one cop wanted to be ready with a gun, I'd still say it was a bit much. But what ended up happening was insane given the tame situation.



The fact that someone didn't open a door right away doesn't mean they are a threat, and it's intellectually dishonest to try to use claims about what a cop "could not know" to defend over-the-top behavior. Too many times have white people excused the deaths of black people by saying things like "well, the cop could not have known he did not have a gun." You cannot say that in any seriousness, unless your intention is to give the police a blank check. You can always look in hindsight at a situation and find things the cops "could not know", then use it as a defense.

What cops do know is the only reasonable measure, and when you've got someone who is laying flat on the ground you don't need to keep escalating. A guy who committed the horribly violent crime of not fully stopping at a stop sign.

And they're pointing guns everywhere because he won't get up and do the exact thing they've used as an excuse so many times: that the suspect was walking towards them and they "did not know" that he would not do anything.




It really is amazing to me the way so-called freedom loving Americans, proud of their rights, loving of their constitution, completely betray claimed principles when it comes to cops and people cops think did something wrong. Similarly, the way they'll jump into articles about prison conditions and say "who cares? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime." The measure of how just and free is is how that society treats its prisoners, its suspects.

As if somehow, the concept of rights disappears the moment a cop thinks you did something wrong. Well, I say "you", but we know the other mental trickery going on: I'm not a criminal so I have rights, but they are criminals so I don't care. Which is an insult to the concept of right.







The voice of "rights for me, nothing for you." The voice of "I'm white, so this won't happen to me."

The voice of a poster who has cried oceans of dishonest tears for a white Trumpist called Flynn.




I wish you people would be honest for once: you don't care because as a white man, it would be very unlikely to happen to you. Well, unless they bust into your house after getting the address wrong on a no-knock warrant and blast you away because they thought you might be reaching for something and could not know it was not a gun.

You won't care unless it happens to you or one of your own.

You have the balls to talk about "honesty" after posting that flaming mess? Well bless your heart.
 
None of which matters. He lay flat and didn't move. They kept escalating.


"They did not know" is the voice of police apologists. How horribly dishonest. You can look at any situation in hindsight and make a "did not know" statement. "Did not know" is an intellectually dishonest way of excusing anything you feel like excusing.


You'll sing the same tune unless it happens to one of yours.

The cops didn't escalate anything. The driver did all the escalating at first and the the whole damned neighborhood got in on the show. Those cops showed exceptional restraint.
 
He had his hands up and the cop kept yelling "show me your hands" Once he laid down he put his hands in front him where they could see them. And that somehow wasn't enough to deescalate?

There's always an excuse if one wants to defend. And if you can't think one up, you can go full Lutherf and tell some funny jokes about "social justice warriors."

Because apparently, being outraged at the abuse of citizens by government agents is only something those loser soyboy libturds do.



The cops didn't escalate anything. The driver did all the escalating at first and the the whole damned neighborhood got in on the show. Those cops showed exceptional restraint.

Yeah, because someone who reads the article and watches the video posts this:

Well, if you're a Trump supporter and watched that video then you clearly saw the driver run a stop sign, continue to drive after lights and sirens came on and then freak out on the cops. If you're a social justice advocate then you clearly saw the cop profile a black man that did nothing wrong, assault his grandmother, and brutally attack him because of his race.

:roll:

If it's bad and it happens to anyone on the right or connect to Trump, you have an outrage-filled conspiracy theory. If it's bad and it happens to someone else, they deserved it and it's hilarious to you. One of the most binary posters here.




And I can't even say "I wish it would happen to one of your own so that you would understand", because that would be me wishing well on someone else. So I have to settle for simply knowing that if such a thing happened, then you would understand.......


..... and you wouldn't try to be cute about "social justice warriors," those snowflake liberals who think it is bad for government agents to mistreat citizens.
 
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He didn’t pull over when they tried to stop him. He sat in the car for six minutes while they tried to talk him out rather than approach and create a situation. They did not draw their guns until he did get out and they had no idea what he would do. When he finally does get out, he yells, and screams, does not listen. He eventually gets on his knees instead of complying and then goes flat.
They did not know he was unarmed and lying on your stomach does not make you defenseless.

You know sometimes people don't immediately see a car lit up, and some want to get to a safe place before actually pulling over. The kid seemed scared out of his mind because no doubt he's more than aware that if he blinked wrong it could end his life. And that poor family seeing their grandmother falling and the police fighting them to try and help her.

For a failure to completely stop. :eek:
 
Facedown on his grandmother’s grassy Texas lawn, a young black man cried as officers pointed guns at him for his alleged failure to heed a stop sign. Neighbors and loved ones watching his May 16 arrest called for 21-year-old Tye Anders to put his hands down and screamed at officers for having their firearms ready. “He’s scared. Y’all have guns on him. He’s black,” one woman called out to the officers. “Do y’all not see how many black people are getting shot?” Police wanted Anders to walk toward them while they had their guns drawn, but Anders refused. “I’m scared,” he shrieked. His 90-year-old grandmother, dressed in a cream-colored nightgown, exited her brick home and stood by her wailing grandson with a walking stick in her left hand. “We just need him to comply so we can talk to him,” an officer said, according to dash-cam footage released by the City of Midland. Four officers moved closer to the pair to arrest Anders, with another one nearby with gun in hand. Anders’s grandmother fell during the arrest and chaos ensued.
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Anders is facing a felony evading charge. Police were trying to initiate a traffic stop for Anders’s alleged failure to stop at a traffic sign but he continued to drive to his grandmother’s house, according to a statement provided by Midland Public Information Officer Erin Bailey. Officers repeatedly instructed Anders to exit his car. When he did, instead of cooperating by walking toward them, “he stopped and laid on the ground,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ther-video-shows-they-claim-he-ran-stop-sign/


"The suspect approached me" is one of many typical excuses for shooting. "He should have complied," the usual suspects usually say. This guy knew that. This guy knows about all the black people killed (or beaten then charged with resisting arrest). He was ****ing his pants. So he lies down to show he is no threat.

Felony evading charge for this? He did stop. He did get out. The one thing he didn't do is walk towards cops who were pointing guns at him.




It's sickening that one can say in all seriousness "at least they didn't start shooting." What is wrong with the police in this country? I know people all around the world. I never hear about this kind of insanity happening with any regularity in other European countries, etc. It's ridiculous.

I hate to be blunt, but:

Rules for encounters with cops:
Rule #1 Do whatever they say
Rule #2 See Rule #1.
 
I hate to be blunt, but:

Rules for encounters with cops:
Rule #1 Do whatever they say
Rule #2 See Rule #1.

Yeah look how well that worked out for Mr. Floyd.
 
Actually they are called son's of bitches...

Wouldn't that be sons of bitches? Maybe sons of bitches'. Not son's of bitches. Actually.
 
Yeah look how well that worked out for Mr. Floyd.
Yeah, my mistake - let's teach our kids to argument with cops, fight back at every chance and refuse to follow instructions. Great idea.
 
Yeah, my mistake - let's teach our kids to argument with cops, fight back at every chance and refuse to follow instructions. Great idea.

That flew right past you.
 
Remember that kid that was shot and killed by a SWAT Team in the hallway? Where they wearing screaming "I will kill you" and made him crawl backwards on his hands and knees towards them? Backwards crawling? What the ****? There are some truly evil scum bag piece of **** cops out there that get away with this ****... worse, people at DP and elsewhere commend them for killing innocent unarmed people.

Ive seen that happen, if it can happen this easily, its eventually and already has happened to all of us.
 
Facedown on his grandmother’s grassy Texas lawn, a young black man cried as officers pointed guns at him for his alleged failure to heed a stop sign. Neighbors and loved ones watching his May 16 arrest called for 21-year-old Tye Anders to put his hands down and screamed at officers for having their firearms ready. “He’s scared. Y’all have guns on him. He’s black,” one woman called out to the officers. “Do y’all not see how many black people are getting shot?” Police wanted Anders to walk toward them while they had their guns drawn, but Anders refused. “I’m scared,” he shrieked. His 90-year-old grandmother, dressed in a cream-colored nightgown, exited her brick home and stood by her wailing grandson with a walking stick in her left hand. “We just need him to comply so we can talk to him,” an officer said, according to dash-cam footage released by the City of Midland. Four officers moved closer to the pair to arrest Anders, with another one nearby with gun in hand. Anders’s grandmother fell during the arrest and chaos ensued.
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Anders is facing a felony evading charge. Police were trying to initiate a traffic stop for Anders’s alleged failure to stop at a traffic sign but he continued to drive to his grandmother’s house, according to a statement provided by Midland Public Information Officer Erin Bailey. Officers repeatedly instructed Anders to exit his car. When he did, instead of cooperating by walking toward them, “he stopped and laid on the ground,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ther-video-shows-they-claim-he-ran-stop-sign/


"The suspect approached me" is one of many typical excuses for shooting. "He should have complied," the usual suspects usually say. This guy knew that. This guy knows about all the black people killed (or beaten then charged with resisting arrest). He was ****ing his pants. So he lies down to show he is no threat.

Felony evading charge for this? He did stop. He did get out. The one thing he didn't do is walk towards cops who were pointing guns at him.




It's sickening that one can say in all seriousness "at least they didn't start shooting." What is wrong with the police in this country? I know people all around the world. I never hear about this kind of insanity happening with any regularity in other European countries, etc. It's ridiculous.

This is a really well-writen post. I agree with everything in it.
 
Wouldn't that be sons of bitches? Maybe sons of bitches'. Not son's of bitches. Actually.

Don't care... those sons of bitches insulted America.
 
None of which matters. He lay flat and didn't move.
that is a lie. He told them to **** off, he raised up more than once. they remained calm, he kept screaming. They tried everything to not approach and lay hands until finally they had no choice

They kept escalating.
another lie. They did everything go deescalate. They didn't assault of gaze him or mistreat him


"They did not know" is the voice of police apologists. How horribly dishonest.[/quote

Dishonest? Are you claiming they did know he was not a threat?
You can look at any situation in hindsight and make a "did not know" statement.

Only for things they did not know and could not reasonably know.

"Did not know" is an intellectually dishonest way of excusing anything you feel like excusing.
Many cops have been shot because they did not know a suspect was armed. How is that an excuse?
 
I hate to be blunt, but:

Rules for encounters with cops:
Rule #1 Do whatever they say
Rule #2 See Rule #1.

Which serves my point, not counters it.

It is extremely wrong that in America - the supposed city on a hill, land of the brave and home of the free, with its constitution and its rights - you obey any order no matter how absurd or you can ****ing die.

It should be "do what the cops say because it is the right thing to do", not "do what they say or they may kill you even though you are unarmed, posed no threat, and merely failed to obey quickly enough".




I'm baffled that anyone can look at this police behavior and conclude that it makes sense. Why does anyone want this? The only answer I can come up with now is because the people saying it are white, and thus know this is far less likely to happen to them. Callousness.

Otherwise it's crazy. And you really don't see it in other European country. But over here, cops act like they're being dropped into a hot LZ when all they're doing is apprehending someone who took too long to pull over and lay down out of fear rather than walking towards people pointing guns at him, then lying still.

It's crazy. This isn't right. Where's the common sense?

Yeah, it's a dangerous job, but that doesn't excuse behaving like this.
 
No that was not clear to me. They were trying to pull him over for running a stop sign. He drove for two more blocks and pulled into a driveway. The cops asked him to step out. They asked him to roll down his window (no guns were drawn) After 6 minutes of refusal to get out, they did draw their guns and he finally does and starts screaming at the cops. Traffic stops can be extremely dangerous for cops and refusal to get out, refusal to comply, screaming and not listening? You cannot say he was clearly not a threat. They could not know that.

Here’s the video...watch it and tell me how he was clearly not a threat
Well now holy ****...that puts the entire incident into a completely different perspective, doesnt it. Cant help but wonder how many of the people here ****ting themselves over the eeeevil cops will actually view the whole video and admit they were wrong.
 
Well now holy ****...that puts the entire incident into a completely different perspective, doesnt it. Cant help but wonder how many of the people here ****ting themselves over the eeeevil cops will actually view the whole video and admit they were wrong.

I did... *raises hand*
 
You know sometimes people don't immediately see a car lit up, and some want to get to a safe place before actually pulling over.
And that's fine. The cops didn't seem to have much of an issue with that. It's the refusal to obey any commands that would make any reasonable person cautious.

The kid seemed scared out of his mind because no doubt he's more than aware that if he blinked wrong it could end his life.
So he acts in a manner that could provoke just such an outcome? They told him many times in calm voices they just wanted to talk and it was just a traffic stop. He freaked out. That is not on the cops...They did nothing to warrant his reaction.
 
You really don't see the major over reaction there for nothing more than running a stop sign? I mean that cop sounded foolish screaming for him to step out of the car and saying "you ran a stop sign!!!" :doh
Running a stop sign is a doddle. You pull over...you get a ticket...you go home. Thats not what happened as the video clearly showed. He ran the stop sign then evaded arrest for several blocks, then freaked out and acted like a ****ing moron as did grandmamma.

As are a whole bunch of people on this site. With the actual incidents of real dirty cops doing bad ****, you people try to turn this **** into a racist cause. YOU ****ing people are the problem.
 
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