• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

London to begin Knife control...I kid you not.

Let me know when criminals and terrorists start following these laws.
 
Great, but that is not really up to you, or me but up to mayor Khan, his administration, the police and the public in London and I would think that they do not find it illogical to stop people running around with items that can be easily used as a weapon.

I can thank God I don't live in England. I can also say how stupid it is to confiscate a pair of lineman's pliers. :lamo

Here we have freedom and liberty. England? Eh, not so much.
 
I can thank God I don't live in England. I can also say how stupid it is to confiscate a pair of lineman's pliers. :lamo

Here we have freedom and liberty. England? Eh, not so much.

No, you have a different kind of freedom and Liberty, the UK has about as much freedom as the US has.
 
No, you have a different kind of freedom and Liberty, the UK has about as much freedom as the US has.

The UK has fewer freedoms than The United States, period.

Your own country doesn't protect free speech on the same level as The United States.

The difference being: some people are free and people just think they're free.
 
No, you have a different kind of freedom and Liberty, the UK has about as much freedom as the US has.

Really? Where they sentenced Count Dankula for a ****ing joke, they're just as free?

They're free to do as they're told is what they are. God forbid if you offend someone :roll:

Yes? There is a huge issue with knife crimes in London, so to crack down on knife carrying people is not that illogical.

Blaming the tool and engaging in prohibition is NOT logical. Perhaps address why people are now attacking eachother more. Address why violent crime is on the rise.

Nobody needs to go out carrying dangerous weapons on public streets IMHO.

In a free country must a person need a thing in order to own and carry it?

I have a need for my multitool, I use it every day. If you regard such a tool as a "dangerous weapon" you deserve a nanny state because that is beyond naive. Your standard for "dangerous weapon" can include just about anything with an edge. Oh wait, no edge? Must be a "dangerous blunt weapon" to you right?

I guess it isn't freedom to you if it can be deemed "dangerous" by anyone with an agenda. I am so please to not live under your standards for freedom, or be subjected to whatever you think I "need."
 
Last edited:
The UK has fewer freedoms than The United States, period.

Your own country doesn't protect free speech on the same level as The United States.

The difference being: some people are free and people just think they're free.

No, you just have the right to own guns and shout whatever insults you want in public. Except of course on television because that is bleeped every single time.

Other freedoms are just as good as in my country or worse.

Because you mostly talk about subjective feelings, there is also the objective freedom index from the Cato institute, who rank the countries by freedoms, the United States ranked 17th out of 159 countries ranked. The United Kingdom, the country that you claim has less freedoms than in the US ranks 9th out of 159. So according to the cato institute the UK has more freedoms than the United States. The Netherlands also ranks 9th out of 159 countries.

The UK scores 9.05 out of 10 on Personal freedom and the US scores 8.83 out of 10. The Netherlands scores 9.37 out of 10 on Personal freedoms.

So objectively it would indicate that my country has a higher score on personal freedom than the US has so I am not sure why you claim other countries have less protection of free speech. Because Free speech is not just being allowed to run your mouth, it has other components too.

The freedom of expression and information part of the Cato ranking constitutes of:

Press killed
Press jailed
laws and regulations that influence media
political pressure, control media
access to cable and satellite
Freedom of Access to Frgn. Info.
State Control over Internet Access

And in that section the Netherlands scores a 9.7. The United Kingdom scores a 9.3 on that section and the United States scores a 9.3 too.

So the freedoms between the 3 countries does not differ much, all other almost equally free.
 
No, you just have the right to own guns and shout whatever insults you want in public. Except of course on television because that is bleeped every single time.

Other freedoms are just as good as in my country or worse.

Because you mostly talk about subjective feelings, there is also the objective freedom index from the Cato institute, who rank the countries by freedoms, the United States ranked 17th out of 159 countries ranked. The United Kingdom, the country that you claim has less freedoms than in the US ranks 9th out of 159. So according to the cato institute the UK has more freedoms than the United States. The Netherlands also ranks 9th out of 159 countries.

The UK scores 9.05 out of 10 on Personal freedom and the US scores 8.83 out of 10. The Netherlands scores 9.37 out of 10 on Personal freedoms.

So objectively it would indicate that my country has a higher score on personal freedom than the US has so I am not sure why you claim other countries have less protection of free speech. Because Free speech is not just being allowed to run your mouth, it has other components too.

The freedom of expression and information part of the Cato ranking constitutes of:

Press killed
Press jailed
laws and regulations that influence media
political pressure, control media
access to cable and satellite
Freedom of Access to Frgn. Info.
State Control over Internet Access

And in that section the Netherlands scores a 9.7. The United Kingdom scores a 9.3 on that section and the United States scores a 9.3 too.

So the freedoms between the 3 countries does not differ much, all other almost equally free.

I'm not going to get hassled because I have a pair of pliers in my pocket, though.
 
I'm not going to get hassled because I have a pair of pliers in my pocket, though.

And? If I go clubbing and I have a pair of pliers in my pocket, how big would my changes be that I would be allowed to hold onto it if checked at the door of the club? Zero, they would not agree with me bringing it into the venue.

The odds of people being stopped and searched on the streets of London is small, so the odds of you getting hassled for having a pair of pliers is small. People or an area usually gets searched if there is a reason for it. If you are just minding your business and do not attract negative attention from the police, the odds of you being hassled for a pair of pliers is very small.
 
I can thank God I don't live in England. I can also say how stupid it is to confiscate a pair of lineman's pliers. :lamo

Here we have freedom and liberty. England? Eh, not so much.

If I remember right, that's why we declared our independence and fought for our freedoms. How soon we forget.
 
No, you just have the right to own guns and shout whatever insults you want in public. Except of course on television because that is bleeped every single time.

Other freedoms are just as good as in my country or worse.

Because you mostly talk about subjective feelings, there is also the objective freedom index from the Cato institute, who rank the countries by freedoms, the United States ranked 17th out of 159 countries ranked. The United Kingdom, the country that you claim has less freedoms than in the US ranks 9th out of 159. So according to the cato institute the UK has more freedoms than the United States. The Netherlands also ranks 9th out of 159 countries.

The UK scores 9.05 out of 10 on Personal freedom and the US scores 8.83 out of 10. The Netherlands scores 9.37 out of 10 on Personal freedoms.

So objectively it would indicate that my country has a higher score on personal freedom than the US has so I am not sure why you claim other countries have less protection of free speech. Because Free speech is not just being allowed to run your mouth, it has other components too.

The freedom of expression and information part of the Cato ranking constitutes of:

Press killed
Press jailed
laws and regulations that influence media
political pressure, control media
access to cable and satellite
Freedom of Access to Frgn. Info.
State Control over Internet Access

And in that section the Netherlands scores a 9.7. The United Kingdom scores a 9.3 on that section and the United States scores a 9.3 too.

So the freedoms between the 3 countries does not differ much, all other almost equally free.

Without getting into which country is more free, using a study like that which values some freedoms higher then others is not much more then those people who ran the studies opinion.
If you are very big in to shooting but don't care about access to cable or satellite then you are going to value those things very different then someone who believes the opposite. So no I would not call it very objective.
 
Next lets ban forks. Then spoons, and anything else...
 
Without getting into which country is more free, using a study like that which values some freedoms higher then others is not much more then those people who ran the studies opinion.
If you are very big in to shooting but don't care about access to cable or satellite then you are going to value those things very different then someone who believes the opposite. So no I would not call it very objective.

Well, I would call it objective because it takes all the freedoms into account rather than a subjective view like:

"If a country has no free gun ownership they are not country with freedom at all".

And I said that the countries were roughly equally free.
 
Well, I would call it objective because it takes all the freedoms into account rather than a subjective view like:

"If a country has no free gun ownership they are not country with freedom at all".

And I said that the countries were roughly equally free.

And Free Speech, that's a big one, far more than "being able to shout whatever insults you want in public" as you characterized it; You don't even UNDERSTAND freedom.
 
What it shows is that you can have a high murder rate with no guns at all. In other words, gun control means nothing, other than infringing on law abiding citizens rights.

Except that the murder rate in the US is higher than the UK.
 
I can thank God I don't live in England. I can also say how stupid it is to confiscate a pair of lineman's pliers. :lamo

Here we have freedom and liberty. England? Eh, not so much.

I somehow don't think they took them off a repairman going about his job, do you?

I thank god I don't live in America with a narcissistic idiot as President, an insanely expensive, and not very good, healthcare system, and little to no workers rights. I'll just be here paying 4 times less for better healthcare while enjoying my 25 days paid vacation leave knowing I can't be sacked without good cause. :2wave:
 
I can thank God I don't live in England. I can also say how stupid it is to confiscate a pair of lineman's pliers. :lamo
It’d be even more stupid to believe the (long established) UK knife laws would actually do that. But nobody would be so stupid as to actually believe that… would they?
 
And Free Speech, that's a big one, far more than "being able to shout whatever insults you want in public" as you characterized it; You don't even UNDERSTAND freedom.

Yeah, sure, that is your opinion. A fake opinion but yeah, someone from my country, where my mother was born in the war does not even understand freedom.:2wave:
 
I somehow don't think they took them off a repairman going about his job, do you?

Of course they did not take them off a repairman doing his job. They might have taken it from someone going into a shopping mall (you know, handy for removing tags from clothing, etc.) but not from a guy who had a toolbox full of tools he needed to repair something.
 
Of course they did not take them off a repairman doing his job. They might have taken it from someone going into a shopping mall (you know, handy for removing tags from clothing, etc.) but not from a guy who had a toolbox full of tools he needed to repair something.

I don't care who they confiscated them from; it's ****ing idiotic to confiscate a pair of pliers from a law abiding citizen. What's next? #2 pencils?
 
Back
Top Bottom