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LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***[W:1213]

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That stuff is fine and I'd add more to resolve bullying, but we need to FIX the PROBLEM: males that cant handle rejection, failure, resentment, disappointment, jealousy, etc.

We need to figure out how and why our society is now creating so many of theses losers. That is what they are: losers. In the past, losers grew up and often had the last laugh...most of these kids arent of low intelligence. This new set of losers now seems to get older but *not grow up* and then we end up with the mass shooters who seem to have exactly the same issues and motives.

I think you're on to something there -- we're actually "creating them" and I think (just my opinion) it's due to some of the crap that's going on in public schools. We've gotten to the point, in many schools, where the entire school revolves around the athletes. That's where the money goes (in my town, the varsity B-ball players get their own parking spaces closest to the school), and kids who don't make the sport-cut are nobody, even if they're lots brighter (and they usually are). Everything's geared around sports and all the rest of the kids have to spend their days in the shadows.

I think that's it more than actual "bullying." These losers get the idea that they want to take down the ones who are at the top of the food chain -- make 'em pay -- and then they see all the attention other shooters get and the idea grows from a molehill to a mountain of revenge.

Personally, I'd get rid of school sports (not athletics, just sports) and move competitive teams over to community recreation. That'd not only break the "jock clique" it'd also stop cheer-leading, and seriously, can anything be more demeaning to women than to think it's an honor to cheer for males? I mean -- really!

Let's face it...there are probably hundreds of thousands of these losers in our society and even tho they're not blowing away people, they're damaging society from whereever they are: they are negative, bitter, people that will take out their misery on their girlfriends, wives, kids, dogs, people in traffic (road rage?), at work, etc et c etc. We're only noticing the ones that get *publicly and massively violent.*

Yes, people who can't deal with criticism and rejection become society's losers, and we have an over-abundance of them. But, let's stop the public school caste system that allows them to rise in the first place. Let's focus once again on academics.

Heck, I'd even be in favor of school-issued uniforms, just because I've seen children bullied because their parents didn't have the money to buy them the name-brand clothes that some of the kids wore.
 
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And yet, vehicle deaths by far occur more commonly and in higher numbers than from guns. By far. And the number of pedestrian/cyclist deaths is rising.

Which car safety regulations or measures prevent use of the vehicle for its stated purposes? Speed limits do....but you didnt even address what I proposed. Why not? Why not 35 mph nationwide?

Now, I've listed elsewhere many of safety measures integrated into guns, mandatory and optional. What would you like to see added? Tell me some safety measures. And remember, guns have a purpose(s) that cannot be restricted, otherwise they no longer serve their purpose(s).

Should you have to be reminded that "Laws" also have a purpose, that cannot be restricted, otherwise they have no purpose either?

If you are thinking guns somehow have preference over laws or or more important than laws, you are mistaken.

We are a nation of laws, not a nation of guns!
 
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So by that same conclusion, why are these people still allowed to drive?

I did not ask you about driving . We were talking about guns. Do you want people who are of not sound mind to have guns?
 
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You essentially making that equation by posting the 'price freedom is high' in a thread about a school shooting

You really need to read before posting. I responded to someone who asked...

How many innocent deaths make the cost prohibitive?

So yes I explained the price of freedom is often high. It has everything to do with the question asked and the school shooting.

and now you are deflecting by bringing up poor black kids that really doesn't have a thing to do with this discussion.

Interesting? You asked...

So seriously is scores of dead and wounded school children each year just simply 'the price of freedom'?

Poor black children have everything to do with this. Dead minority children in the inner cities are ignored. Let some white kids get killed in a school shooting and wow! All of a sudden everyone cares.

School shootings again make up less than 1% of gun crime. It is the least of our problems. If we address gun CRIME as a whole, everyone would benefit.

So who is it that is straying away from the subject of the thread now?

So that's what this is about? Getting revenge for you going off topic? LMAO! That is so petty.
 
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It's not a lie. It's just your paranoia. Whenever you see a post like the one I made to Renae it's because I selected "Reply with Quote" I don't know to make those kind of posts where you use a quote or multiple quotes a poster had made another post of theirs that isn't within the one to which I'm responding. So I copy and paste those quotes into a quote box and that's all I'm doing. Good Lord if you're this paranoid I hope you aren't keeping any guns around.

I can see that. It's to bad you then went off the rails with the gun ownership nonsense. I am a 12 year veteran of the Army, and an ex police officer. There is nothing you can tell me about firearms.
 
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I don't know to make those kind of posts where you use a quote or multiple quotes

Bottom right, "Multi-Quote This message". Or copy/paste from one Reply With Quote to another.

a poster had made another post of theirs that isn't within the one to which I'm responding

That's a separate sentence, right?
 
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I did not ask you about driving . We were talking about guns. Do you want people who are of not sound mind to have guns?

You got a very relevant answer.

It pointed out the hypocrisy of restricting their 2A rights and yet allowing them to endanger the general public much more on a daily basis.

How about you tell me why it should ONLY apply to guns, if it is meant as a valid safety concern?
 
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Why don't you ask the Mayor of London? I mean seriously the price of freedom has always been high. We as Americans learned this during the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWI, WWII and many criminal and terrorist acts over the years. I am not putting down England in any way. They however do not have the same population make up etc. So it's easy for people like you to sit back and armchair quarterback.

I am not saying our school kids being gunned down is acceptable, it's not. I however have no answers. I do think that law abiding citizens giving up their right to self defence etc is not going to be worth it.

So where do we go from here?

Shooting school kids is not part of the price for freedom. We are not free because of guns, but because of our form of government.
 
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Shooting school kids is not part of the price for freedom. We are not free because of guns, but because of our form of government.

Because of our 'current' form of government. Which our Founding Fathers decided was worth preserving and protecting...and created the 2A to enable us to do so.
 
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Shooting school kids is not part of the price for freedom.

Please point out who said it was?

We are not free because of guns, but because of our form of government.

Without those "guns" we have no government. I am sure those who fought the Revolutionary War would also disagree.
 
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So by that same conclusion, why are these people still allowed to drive?

They shouldn't be allowed to drive. Just like exceedingly old and blind people shouldn't be allowed to drive, either.

If someone is dangerous, there should be protections in place to protect society from that person.
 
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Shooting school kids is not part of the price for freedom. We are not free because of guns, but because of our form of government.

We are free because of our right to own them, which is something the government cannot unconstitutionally infringe upon. That is the form of our Government, a constitutional republic.

We aren't free because of our government or any rights they bestow, but by what they are not allowed to do to us. What we can invoke in a court of law that a judge must respect.
 
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They shouldn't be allowed to drive. Just like exceedingly old and blind people shouldn't be allowed to drive, either.

If someone is dangerous, there should be protections in place to protect society from that person.

There is...it's called "prison".
 
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Should you have to be reminded that "Laws" also have a purpose, that cannot be restricted, otherwise they have no purpose either?

If you are thinking guns somehow have preference over laws or or more important than laws, you are mistaken.

We are a nation of laws, not a nation of guns!

Can you explain any of that psychobabble? It makes no sense. Laws are supposed to have a purpose, yes. And laws can be changed or 'restricted.' No idea what you're trying to say.

But you're keeping the drama high, for sure.
 
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Shooting school kids is not part of the price for freedom. We are not free because of guns, but because of our form of government.

This is not freedom. Allowing our kids to be shot in math class is tryanny.
 
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They shouldn't be allowed to drive. Just like exceedingly old and blind people shouldn't be allowed to drive, either.

If someone is dangerous, there should be protections in place to protect society from that person.

That would also be my conclusion.
 
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This is not freedom. Allowing our kids to be shot in math class is tryanny.

Nobody, including the govt, forces you to send your child to school. You can homeschool. That is freedom.

Nipped that false hysteria in the bud :golf
 
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There is...it's called "prison".

IKR, if a person cannot be trusted with their full rights, why are they allowed in the general population? Why not a prison or institution?
 
Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***

Nobody, including the govt, forces you to send your child to school. You can homeschool. That is freedom.

Nipped that false hysteria in the bud :golf

Wow. Its almost as if you don't care about reducing these types of shootings. I mean that will inevitably interfere with freedom in SOME way. Holy cow!
 
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There is...it's called "prison".

We don't put old people and blind people in prison because they are old or blind. Not even in Trump's USA.
 
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We don't put old people and blind people in prison because they are old or blind. Not even in Trump's USA.

You said dangerous people in the last paragraph and that's what I was responding to.
 
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IKR, if a person cannot be trusted with their full rights, why are they allowed in the general population? Why not a prison or institution?

Because it's all about banning guns and nothing to do with public safety.
 
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Because it's all about banning guns and nothing to do with public safety.

Canada has effective gun control.....and lots of guns
 
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You said dangerous people in the last paragraph and that's what I was responding to.

You should have read my entire post, as well as Lursa's post which was quoted in my post, and then you would have understood what you were "responding to". Then you wouldn't have said something so off the wall.
 
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