LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***[W:1213]

[Atomic Kid]

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Stage? Who provided the stage? People that wanted to use her. Who pushed that stupid walk out? People with agenda's. These kids were used, badly, and one day I hope they'll realize that. Their parents are all bad IMHO.

That's a bunch of right wing propaganda. From Sandy Hook to Texas we now have an entire generation of young people who have had to grow up with this kind of senseless gun violence being perpetrated in their schools. They now have some very strong feelings about it and they're genuine and real and you can bet that as they move into adulthood they are going make their heard and are going to hold their elected officials accountable and even start to take their place among them

 

[Renae]

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That's a bunch of right wing propaganda. From Sandy Hook to Texas we now have an entire generation of young people who have had to grow up with this kind of senseless gun violence being perpetrated in their schools. They now have some very strong feelings about it and they're genuine and real and you can bet that as they move into adulthood they are going make their heard and are going to hold their elected officials accountable and even start to take their place among them

Yes, a generation of kids let in gun free zones, keep dying, you people keep wanting them to be undefended.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Yes, laws and the penalties for violating laws do prevent crime. That people break laws does not show that such laws and the penalties for breaking them do not deter crime. Traffic lights regulate traffic safety, as do speed limits. The FDA regulates food and drug safety, under the law. Nothing silly here except you ignoring these facts

so if someone is not worried or fearful of the consequences of say a capital murder charge or 75 years in prison, how is a penalty concerning their possession of a firearm going to deter them from getting a gun?

 

[VanceMack]

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an absurd premise
fear of the consequences of violating laws is what creates much of the compliance with the laws

Big fan of the death penalty, are you?

 

[TurtleDude]

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an absurd premise
fear of the consequences of violating laws is what creates much of the compliance with the laws

again-are you telling us those who don't care about the consequences of a first degree murder conviction will comply with a law concerning firearms that carries a much lighter sentence?

 

[VanceMack]

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Yes, laws and the penalties for violating laws do prevent crime. That people break laws does not show that such laws and the penalties for breaking them do not deter crime. Traffic lights regulate traffic safety, as do speed limits. The FDA regulates food and drug safety, under the law. Nothing silly here except you ignoring these facts

Thank GOODness those laws...that are all in place...ALREADY...prevent crimes. Otherwise we would be talking about mass shootings.

 

[VanceMack]

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again-are you telling us those who don't care about the consequences of a first degree murder conviction will comply with a law concerning firearms that carries a much lighter sentence?

9000 murders a year...1.2 million violent crimes a year...2.5 mass shootings a year....if ONLY there were laws in place governing such things.

 

[Lursa]

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Why would being on Social Security take away the right to own a firearm? I am on SS and there is no restriction on me owning a firearm.

if mental illness is disproportionately found within the cohort of military veterans are they then unfairly 'targeted'?

It can go back to previous diagnoses, whether relevant or not.

 

[Lursa]

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Safety also has to do with being properly trained to handle and use a gun. And being of a proper age and condition, i.e. sober. And where it is safe to use guns, as guns themselves are inherently designed to cause harm. The only truly safe gun is one with no ammo in it.

What training effects whether or not people can adequately use guns to commit crimes and mass shootings? How does training effect gun crimes at all?

And there are laws in all states to cover most of the other things you named: please explain which ones arent working?

And an empty gun is a useless gun.

 

[Black Dog]

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LOL! A 'block' text you say? You just quoted 90% of it there toward the bottom of your last post. That? A single paragraph? Was too much for you to handle? Good Lord you need to stick with Twitter then if you are finding this to be too taxing on you. Anyone can plainly see that there isn't anything wrong with what I wrote or how I wrote it. So that's another fail.

Hmmm... Let's see you take out my code to avoid me being notified and then just launched into Ad hominems. Bravo!

Let me tell you something. It's been my experience that when anyone adds qualifiers to their statements such as ; "I'm not trying be, I don't want to sound like, or I'm not (fiil in blank) are indeed doing or are being exactly that which they say they aren't. For instance when someone says; 'I'm not a racist but' ...You can bet your dollars to doughnuts that they're about say something racist.

Here we go again. The thread is not about me. I was just pointing out I am the last person who should be pointing out grammar and spelling niceties. If you don't want to believe it, that's your own problem.

And please, spare me the poor little me act. How am I or anyone else going respond to you without you knowing it? You have same quick links as I and everyone else here has to see all the your posts and all those of any of member here has made here and who quoted or responded to you. You're a big boy, right? So I think we can assume that you know how to use those tools to follow along in a thread.

If you do not quote me, I am not notified. If you take my name out of the quotes as you did here, I am not notified. So yes you can respond without me knowing as you again tried to do here. I can see you are just playing games.

Oh no sir. I don't have any misconceptions to how you are operating here. You not making any sense as you have no position. You're just making a circular argument. You say that there no laws in Texas that hold these parents accountable. I say then maybe there should be. Then you say we don't need them because there are already laws. I say what laws? You say civil laws. I say but didn't you say before that aren't any laws in Texas that would hold these parents accountable in this instance which would include civil law. You say that's right I did say there aren't any but that doesn't mean aren't already laws in place. Then I'm like what??? And around and around we go.

You are seriously confused.

1. There are no laws in Texas to hold the parents responsible. number one, because they aren't. Number two the young man was 17, so the law did not apply just like I said.
2. We don't need any new laws because Texas already has laws for negligence by parents concerning firearms. And yet they don't apply to a 17 year old.
3. I did say there are no laws that would hold them accountable. I did say UNLESS THE PARENTS AND RELATIVES WOULD TRY TO MAKE A CIVIL CASE.
4. Your last sentence pretty much sums up your confusion.

Really? Just who do you think you are that you can just 'dismiss' someone. You starting to sound like MyCroft now. I bet you two would get along just great. But anyway evidently the fire must be getting a little too hot and you just want to get the heck out of the kitchen. So go ahead and run along.

I will explain this one more time. This thread is not about me or my actions. It is about a school shooting.

So yes I am dismissing your off topic ranting thank you very much.

 

[haymarket]

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It can go back to previous diagnoses, whether relevant or not.

I stil ldo not understand your basic premise that being on Social Security threatened ones right to own a firearm. What is the evidence for this claim?

 

[tres borrachos]

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Well, I learned yesterday on George Stephanopolous' show why we have school shootings. He had the Texas Lieutenant Governor on (Mr. "Let's have one entrance and one exit only per school because fire code violations are fun").

It's because abortion (first thing he mentioned). Breakup of families. Violent moveis. Violent video games (which kids watch, by the way - they watch them, don't play them).

Abortion. Yes, he went there. Abortion is the reason kids are taking guns into schools and killing people with them. Abortion.

This country is screwed if this is the dialogue.

 

[nota bene]

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Yes and now someone else shared that the shooter sawed it off himself.

So at least his dad didnt own an illegal gun.

And the shooter could have simply used explosive devices anyway.

 

[ttwtt78640]

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They are all eligible for social security, need it...are entitled to it...to live on and yet that immediately puts them in a database that would target them to remove their 2A rights.

Nope, only those that are deemed incapable of being the SS payee (require a representative SS payee). The idea being that if one is deemed incapable of handling their finances then they should be deemed incapable of handling a gun.

 

[Helix]

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this whole thing sucks. i wish that people would stop shooting each other.

 

[American]

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You can never really tell this early in the game but it's starting out as a "if I can't have her then nobody can" kind of thing.

She was the first killed.

 

[American]

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9000 murders a year...1.2 million violent crimes a year...2.5 mass shootings a year....if ONLY there were laws in place governing such things.

Aren't 7000 of those murders in Chicago every year?

 

[tres borrachos]

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this whole thing sucks. i wish that people would stop shooting each other.

Me too. But even more than that, I wish people would stop shooting children in their schools. As a mother, I don't like worrying about sending my kids off to school and wondering if they will come home in a body bag.

Nothing will happen here though. In a few weeks, this will be ignored and something else will happen.

I wish the President would take some leadership here. In 2012 he said that Obama spoke for him and all Americans when Obama called for some action after Sandy Hook. I'm not sure what changed in Trump's mind since then. But as long as he has changed his mind, there will be no leadership to try to stop this from happening, and happening, and happening. Maybe the next time we have a Democrat in the White House (I mean, other than the ones pretending to be Republicans) and the Dems control Congress, this won't even be discussed, debated, analyzed, etc.

And kids will go to school and get shot. <sigh>

 

[Helix]

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Me too. But even more than that, I wish people would stop shooting children in their schools. As a mother, I don't like worrying about sending my kids off to school and wondering if they will come home in a body bag.

Nothing will happen here though. In a few weeks, this will be ignored and something else will happen.

I wish the President would take some leadership here. In 2012 he said that Obama spoke for him and all Americans when Obama called for some action after Sandy Hook. I'm not sure what changed in Trump's mind since then. But as long as he has changed his mind, there will be no leadership to try to stop this from happening, and happening, and happening. Maybe the next time we have a Democrat in the White House (I mean, other than the ones pretending to be Republicans) and the Dems control Congress, this won't even be discussed, debated, analyzed, etc.

And kids will go to school and get shot. <sigh>

****, i hope not.

i don't know how to solve this problem. i guess more security checkpoints in schools might help. i have to go through so many key ins at work that it's amazing that i even make it to my desk, so it seems doable. of course, this will cost a bunch of money. also, we're going to have to buckle down and actually take care of our citizens with proper mental health care. i'm sorry that this happened again.

 

[Casper]

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Me too. But even more than that, I wish people would stop shooting children in their schools. As a mother, I don't like worrying about sending my kids off to school and wondering if they will come home in a body bag.

Nothing will happen here though. In a few weeks, this will be ignored and something else will happen.

I wish the President would take some leadership here. In 2012 he said that Obama spoke for him and all Americans when Obama called for some action after Sandy Hook. I'm not sure what changed in Trump's mind since then. But as long as he has changed his mind, there will be no leadership to try to stop this from happening, and happening, and happening. Maybe the next time we have a Democrat in the White House (I mean, other than the ones pretending to be Republicans) and the Dems control Congress, this won't even be discussed, debated, analyzed, etc.

And kids will go to school and get shot. <sigh>

So are you against security measures being implimented in all schools?
What about educating students on what to look for with troubled students, and a way to deal with it?
What in your Opinion should trump or a future Dem, do exactly?

 

[devildavid]

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so if someone is not worried or fearful of the consequences of say a capital murder charge or 75 years in prison, how is a penalty concerning their possession of a firearm going to deter them from getting a gun?

Just because laws cannot prevent every single crime is no reason not to have them in place to reduce the overall level of crime.

 

[devildavid]

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Thank GOODness those laws...that are all in place...ALREADY...prevent crimes. Otherwise we would be talking about mass shootings.

We might be talking about an overall higher level of crime.

 

[tres borrachos]

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****, i hope not.

i don't know how to solve this problem. i guess more security checkpoints in schools might help. i have to go through so many key ins at work that it's amazing that i even make it to my desk, so it seems doable. of course, this will cost a bunch of money. also, we're going to have to buckle down and actually take care of our citizens with proper mental health care. i'm sorry that this happened again.

I don't know how to solve it either. Thank goodness I'm not a lawmaker and am tasked with having to solve it, or even suggest how to solve it. Luckily I just get to speak like an American citizen, and a mother.

It is so damn sad that it happened again. You have to be heartless not to let this impact you. Even my husband, who is a lifelong member of the NRA and a big 2A guy, said this is just spiraling out of control and something will have to change. He's an American and a father first, which is why he's being honest about it and not belligerent.

 

[devildavid]

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What training effects whether or not people can adequately use guns to commit crimes and mass shootings? How does training effect gun crimes at all?

And there are laws in all states to cover most of the other things you named: please explain which ones arent working?

And an empty gun is a useless gun.

Guns are licensed and should not be licensed without passing certain training. This reduces accidents.

 

[Casper]

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I don't know how to solve it either. Thank goodness I'm not a lawmaker and am tasked with having to solve it, or even suggest how to solve it. Luckily I just get to speak like an American citizen, and a mother.

It is so damn sad that it happened again. You have to be heartless not to let this impact you. Even my husband, who is a lifelong member of the NRA and a big 2A guy, said this is just spiraling out of control and something will have to change. He's an American and a father first, which is why he's being honest about it and not belligerent.

Maybe if we implimented the same security for children as we do for our politicians and at every major sporting event it might make them safer, no?