List Of Things Trump Has Done Wrong Or Bad

[JMR]

I'd like DP'rs on the left (that includes those of you who lie about your lean) to make a list of what Trump has done that is wrong or bad. You have to be specific, not generalizing.

You cannot include:

1. tweets

2. things Trump has said including calling names and vulgar language

3. any proven moral shortcomings prior to becoming president which means nothing connected to Karen McDougal or Stormy Daniels or Access Hollywood tapes, and unproven accusations against him.

4. Russian collusion because there is no evidence Trump has colluded with the Russians. There is also no evidence that he is doing Putin's bidding, other than opinions.

5. obstruction of justice because he hasn't been charged with obstruction of justice, let alone been found guilty

6. anything Jim Comey has said

7. anything you are unhappy about due solely to partisanship such as liberal policies being stopped or not done

8. anything you claim is a lie


Basically, the president is responsible for the economy and national security. Social programs don't count because they are pretty much all partisan.

Example: High turn over rate for his cabinet and other government positions.

Remember, you have to be specific and not generalizing.

I disagree with your premise that it is only economy and national security... trying to obliterate Obamacare without having a reasonable replacement was BAD.

I agree with your statement that his inability to measure capabilities of potential cabinet members is a terrible handicap, and his administration is chaos. Now some might believe being the chaos president is cool...I'm not one.

The tax bill was rushed through, not thought out, and will have severe long term effects. Programs wrongly named "entitlements" will suffer and almost 18 months in we have yet to address infrastructure...which was a repeated theme of the campaign, and even the inaugural address.

All 8 of your exclusions are reasons to question the character of any person looking to be elected, not to mention the highest elected office in the land.

In addition, there is in fact much evidence that Trump and associates have very close ties to Russians of many stripes and criminal proclivities, and it is odd that any American would fight to keep such information under wraps...even in such a modest setting as a thread on DP.

Building a wall at the cost of billions to satisfy the very ugly cravings of the MAGA gang is indicative of how low this man will go to keep a fan club.

I don't lie about my lean...I've often wondered how you see your name as appropriate.

 

[u2smilemaga]

WELL lets see we have about 100 million maga of fighting age. there are 11 million mexicans and other 3 d worlders. All of the maga have guns and a mexican is hard to miss. I will tell you what comes ethnic cleansing . Want no mexicans crime no muslim terror then DONT have them in ur nation !

 

[Moderate Right]

One thing he's done wromg, but...you're not actually allowed to criticize him.

How about the tariffs. Those are backfiring.

Tariffs just happened. We were being taken advantage of right from the get go. In fact, China has said they will now negotiate on things they would not negotiate on before. So, they are working.

 

[Moderate Right]

Where in the Constitution does it say the POTUS is responsible for the economy?

If he is, I'd like the 2K points he shaved off by stupidly talking (tweeting - he only talks via tweets, so you can't declare those out) about tariffs and saying trade wars were easy to win.

What's the constitution got to do with anything? If you want to talk about the constitution then Democrats are the ones who want to shred parts of it. You have no proof that tariffs and trade wars won't make us better in the long run. In fact, China has already said they are willing to negotiate on things they would not negotiate on before the tariffs. So, they are working.

 

[Moderate Right]

• Racist/anti-Muslim travel ban disqualified due to liberal opinion
• Total disaster with attempt to repeal Obamacare (which did not work, but his bumbling will increase premium costs) Do you want Obamacare repealed?Obamacare's premium costs have been going up exponentially before Trump and subsidies actually increase at a higher rate than premiums do
• Total disaster with tax "reform," most of which helps the rich and was designed to screw coastal states disqualified - liberal opinion
• Tax cuts + spending increases which send the deficit through the roof, at the worst possible time Disqualified because it hasn't happened yet. But, I allow you to repost in a couple of years on this subject
• Backed out of Paris Agreement disqualified - liberal opinion and no proof that it has already hurt climate change
• Backed out of TPP... Then made noise about getting back into TPP... Then backed away again So? Please explain what has already happened due to this
• Routinely antagonizes our allies disqualified. You broke the rules.
• Insists on tariffs, whose effects on the economy he clearly does not understand disqualified. Please show proof that this has hurt the economy
• Not doing jack **** with infrastructure Hmmmm. I don't know if I will allow this or not. Can you prove that he is not going to do infrastructure? He can't do everything in one year.
• Threatening to pull funding for critical infrastructure in New York City, because he's a petty **** who dislikes Chuck Schumer disqualified. Threats are not allowed
• Assembled a cabinet of utter dumb****s who are almost too incompetent to screw up their agencies, except by driving staff to the exits disqualified - liberal opinion
• Hiring Flynn Not sure about this one. How did Flynn's hiring have a measurable effect on the country? Please be specific. He wasn't even in his position two months. Feelings and opinions are not allowed.
• Hiring Spicer So? Your opinion of Spicer means nothing.
• Hiring Bannon Might let you have this one.
• Hiring "The Mooch" Have to show my naivete on this one. Who in the hell is "The Mooch"?
• Complete ineptitude with handling Syria, particularly with chemical weapons (what are we going to do, bomb a single military site once a year? Yeah that'll show 'em) Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Not sure on this one either. What do you think we should do in Syria?
• Screwing student borrowers who were the victims of fraud I'll agree with you on this
• General policy vacillation, to the point where it screws his own agenda disqualified - no generalizations allowed
• Publicly stating that white supremacists are "very fine people" disqualified per above rules. Besides he said both sides had very fine people. How do you know he didn't mean non white supremacists who were for keeping Confederate statues?
• Giving white supremacists a moral boost in general disqaulified. There are wackos on both sides. Obama gave a boost to the violent anti-police antifa.

.....

 

[Moderate Right]

So basically:

• No public statements
• No policies
• Nothing about his character

Well. Good thing you aren't stacking the deck :roll:

• Racist/anti-Muslim travel ban
• Total disaster with attempt to repeal Obamacare (which did not work, but his bumbling will increase premium costs)
• Total disaster with tax "reform," most of which helps the rich and was designed to screw coastal states
• Tax cuts + spending increases which send the deficit through the roof, at the worst possible time
• Backed out of Paris Agreement
• Backed out of TPP... Then made noise about getting back into TPP... Then backed away again
• Routinely antagonizes our allies
• Insists on tariffs, whose effects on the economy he clearly does not understand
• Not doing jack **** with infrastructure
• Threatening to pull funding for critical infrastructure in New York City, because he's a petty **** who dislikes Chuck Schumer
• Assembled a cabinet of utter dumb****s who are almost too incompetent to screw up their agencies, except by driving staff to the exits
• Hiring Flynn
• Hiring Spicer
• Hiring Bannon
• Hiring "The Mooch"
• Complete ineptitude with handling Syria, particularly with chemical weapons (what are we going to do, bomb a single military site once a year? Yeah that'll show 'em)
• Screwing student borrowers who were the victims of fraud
• General policy vacillation, to the point where it screws his own agenda
• Publicly stating that white supremacists are "very fine people"
• Giving white supremacists a moral boost in general
• Fraudulent "voter fraud" council (which fortunately failed)
• Removed protections from various federal lands, including allowing more fossil fuel drilling
• Attacking transgender soldiers
• Expanded asset forfeiture (Obama/Holder tightened the rules in 2015 btw)
• Eliminating the fiduciary rule (so now, your asset manager can legally put his financial interest above yours, when managing your money... yay?)
• Bumbling the NAFTA renegotiations
• EPA bans scientists from advisory boards
• Routinely threatening to trigger a Constitutional crisis because he wants to stop the Mueller investigation
• Attacking critical democratic norms, which in many ways are as important as laws
• And yes, almost every word out of his mouth is a lie, including "and" and "the"

Ohh, there's more. But it's getting late.

• Fraudulent "voter fraud" council (which fortunately failed) Disqualified. Are you saying that we shouldn't investigate interference in our elections?
• Removed protections from various federal lands, including allowing more fossil fuel drilling disqualified for liberal opinion
• Attacking transgender soldiers Hmmmm. I'll have to give this one some thought.
• Expanded asset forfeiture (Obama/Holder tightened the rules in 2015 btw) You mean asset forfeiture of criminals? I'm not totally up to speed on this. I do think any seized assets should be returned along with damages if the people are found innocent
• Eliminating the fiduciary rule (so now, your asset manager can legally put his financial interest above yours, when managing your money... yay?) I'm not up to speed on this subject either so I'll let you have this one
• Bumbling the NAFTA renegotiations Have to think on this. How has it hurt already hurt us?
• EPA bans scientists from advisory boards I do believe that we have gone from a liberal extreme to a conservative extreme so I'll give you this
• Routinely threatening to trigger a Constitutional crisis because he wants to stop the Mueller investigation disqualified. No threats allowed. And, it is liberals who are forcing a constitutional crisis.
• Attacking critical democratic norms, which in many ways are as important as laws Disqualified. Not specific and probably a liberal opinion
• And yes, almost every word out of his mouth is a lie, including "and" and "the" Disqualified as per rules

 

[Moderate Right]

I disagree with your premise that it is only economy and national security... trying to obliterate Obamacare without having a reasonable replacement was BAD.

I agree with your statement that his inability to measure capabilities of potential cabinet members is a terrible handicap, and his administration is chaos. Now some might believe being the chaos president is cool...I'm not one.

The tax bill was rushed through, not thought out, and will have severe long term effects. Programs wrongly named "entitlements" will suffer and almost 18 months in we have yet to address infrastructure...which was a repeated theme of the campaign, and even the inaugural address.

All 8 of your exclusions are reasons to question the character of any person looking to be elected, not to mention the highest elected office in the land.

In addition, there is in fact much evidence that Trump and associates have very close ties to Russians of many stripes and criminal proclivities, and it is odd that any American would fight to keep such information under wraps...even in such a modest setting as a thread on DP.

Building a wall at the cost of billions to satisfy the very ugly cravings of the MAGA gang is indicative of how low this man will go to keep a fan club.

I don't lie about my lean...I've often wondered how you see your name as appropriate.

He didn't repeal Obamacare.

Obamacare was rushed through, not thought out, and will have severe long term effects.

Infrastructure has not been done yet but you have no proof that it won't be. A president can't do everything in one year.

Voters knew Trump's character and style before they voted for him. Voters got what they wanted.

Liberals don't want a wall built because they're afraid it will work. Liberals don't care about spending billions.

I never said you lied about your lean. I'm moderate right and slightly conservative because I'm not a far right extremist. I don't watch Fox News and the like. I vote for a mix of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. I voted for Obama in 2012. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries or in the general. But, I will defend Trump from the resistance nonsense and that makes me look farther right than I am because I am far right from the far left.

 

[roughdraft274]

I'd like DP'rs on the left (that includes those of you who lie about your lean) to make a list of what Trump has done that is wrong or bad. You have to be specific, not generalizing.

You cannot include:

1. tweets

2. things Trump has said including calling names and vulgar language

3. any proven moral shortcomings prior to becoming president which means nothing connected to Karen McDougal or Stormy Daniels or Access Hollywood tapes, and unproven accusations against him.

4. Russian collusion because there is no evidence Trump has colluded with the Russians. There is also no evidence that he is doing Putin's bidding, other than opinions.

5. obstruction of justice because he hasn't been charged with obstruction of justice, let alone been found guilty

6. anything Jim Comey has said

7. anything you are unhappy about due solely to partisanship such as liberal policies being stopped or not done

8. anything you claim is a lie


Basically, the president is responsible for the economy and national security. Social programs don't count because they are pretty much all partisan.

Example: High turn over rate for his cabinet and other government positions.

Remember, you have to be specific and not generalizing.

"Ok guys, tell me anything that this guy has done wrong, but don't mention these hundreds of things over here! Anything except for these literally hundreds of things! And you can't include things he's said!"

This is absolutely hilarious.

 

[trouble13]

I'd like DP'rs on the left (that includes those of you who lie about your lean) to make a list of what Trump has done that is wrong or bad. You have to be specific, not generalizing.

You cannot include:

1. tweets

2. things Trump has said including calling names and vulgar language

3. any proven moral shortcomings prior to becoming president which means nothing connected to Karen McDougal or Stormy Daniels or Access Hollywood tapes, and unproven accusations against him.

4. Russian collusion because there is no evidence Trump has colluded with the Russians. There is also no evidence that he is doing Putin's bidding, other than opinions.

5. obstruction of justice because he hasn't been charged with obstruction of justice, let alone been found guilty

6. anything Jim Comey has said

7. anything you are unhappy about due solely to partisanship such as liberal policies being stopped or not done

8. anything you claim is a lie


Basically, the president is responsible for the economy and national security. Social programs don't count because they are pretty much all partisan.

Example: High turn over rate for his cabinet and other government positions.

Remember, you have to be specific and not generalizing.

I did not like that he signed a spending bill without reading it first.

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[Mason66]

I liked the Net Neutrality ruling, and Space Force is a pretty neat idea. I think there was something else I agreed with that Trump did, but honestly all the stuff you said we cannot include blocks it all because it's been so much and so so so bad. Two things is not really creme de la creme.

Also I do not think the President should have been sleeping with Pornstars nor act like he didn't.

When did the President sleep with porn stars?

 

[Mason66]

So, we cannot list "lying" by a pathological liar as a negative? Interesting.
If we were to judge the positive and negative attributes of somebody that murders people, would we have to exclude their pattern of killing people as well?

Trump wears nice suits.
Trump wears a solid red tie too often.
Trump has a terrible looking golf swing.
Trump owns (or says he owns) nice golf courses.

Now, can we do one for Hillary and make Benghazi, The Clinton Foundation and private servers off limits as well? Just asking.

Do you not know the difference between words and actions?

 

[Moderate Right]

"Ok guys, tell me anything that this guy has done wrong, but don't mention these hundreds of things over here! Anything except for these literally hundreds of things! And you can't include things he's said!"

This is absolutely hilarious.

You have to judge Trump by his performance, not by anything he has said or your liberal feelings.

 

[Moderate Right]

I did not like that he signed a spending bill without reading it first.

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That's not really all that uncommon is it? Wasn't it Nancy Pelosi who famously said on Obamacare that we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it? I'm guessing that if she didn't know what was in it, Obama didn't either.

 

[Moderate Right]

****ty troll thread is ****ty & trolly polly ...........

Indepedent here so, I can't reply, as I am not, "on the left"

Trump does pay a LOT of GOLF, **** he was bitchin' at Obama about & Trump plays a Hell of a lot MORE golf than ole 'I aint got no birth cert' boy'

I'll actually accept that. Trump did bitch about Obama regarding a few things, such as golf, and has doubled down on the very same things he accused Obama of. Congratulations for listing something according to the rules.

 

[straykatz]

When you need to provide such a detailed elimination list that disqualifies any opposition argument then you already lost your argument.

 

[roughdraft274]

You have to judge Trump by his performance, not by anything he has said or your liberal feelings.

"Except for these hundreds of things!!!!"

I **** you not, I keep closing my internet browser and when I pull it up this thread keeps popping back up. I laugh to myself heartily and close it back down. I might have it framed and put it in my home office to have something to cheer me up if I'm ever feeling blue. It is the most hilarious thing I've seen on these forums.

Second time I read it I imagined a ****ty husband telling his extremely frustrated wife how to properly judge him:

"You can't complain about that time I **** in the yard and stepped in it and dragged it in to the house! It was fertilizer and dark so I didn't see it! I don't yell at you, I just speak loudly! Yea I talk to women behind your back but it's on twitter so it doesn't count! Yes, I have mountains of credit card debt that you didn't know about but that was from before we were married! And yea I won't show you the bills, but you can't judge me by them because you don't know if they are bad or good because I won't show you! And yea I was fired from work but that was that asshole Jake's fault cause he doesn't like me and he didn't press charges so we know that it's fake!

So there! Other than those things, and you can't mention anything I've ever said, what have I ever done wrong?!"

**** this is so funny.

 

[NeverTrump]

.....

You can't say crap is disqualified due to liberal opinion. Unless that's the type of state that you are championing Trump to support. Cons only huh?

 

[NeverTrump]

"You can't complain about that time I **** in the yard and stepped in it and dragged it in to the house! It was fertilizer and dark so I didn't see it! I don't yell at you, I just speak loudly! Yea I talk to women behind your back but it's on twitter so it doesn't count! Yes, I have mountains of credit card debt that you didn't know about but that was from before we were married! And yea I won't show you the bills, but you can't judge me by them because you don't know if they are bad or good because I won't show you! And yea I was fired from work but that was that asshole Jake's fault cause he doesn't like me and he didn't press charges so we know that it's fake!

That's pretty much the plot for the Matt Leblanc comedy Man with a Plan. Except his plans always fail.

 

[roughdraft274]

That's not really all that uncommon is it? Wasn't it Nancy Pelosi who famously said on Obamacare that we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it? I'm guessing that if she didn't know what was in it, Obama didn't either.

False. Everyone knew what was in obamacare. It was the most highly followed piece of legislation ever passed in the history of our country. Pelosi, as many have pointed out, was referring to the general population finding out that there aren't death panels and other falsehoods. That's the exact context in which she was speaking.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/

You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention–it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy

So while you're right that it's common for people to vote without reading, it's incredibly uncommon for them to vote (or sign in the case of Trump) without knowing fully whats in it.

 

[americanwoman]

Trump also seems to have way more conflicts of interest than I feel comfortable with. He is using his position to profit his organization.

https://sunlightfoundation.com/tracking-trumps-conflicts-of-interest/

 

[Moderate Right]

"Except for these hundreds of things!!!!"

I **** you not, I keep closing my internet browser and when I pull it up this thread keeps popping back up. I laugh to myself heartily and close it back down. I might have it framed and put it in my home office to have something to cheer me up if I'm ever feeling blue. It is the most hilarious thing I've seen on these forums.

Second time I read it I imagined a ****ty husband telling his extremely frustrated wife how to properly judge him:

"You can't complain about that time I **** in the yard and stepped in it and dragged it in to the house! It was fertilizer and dark so I didn't see it! I don't yell at you, I just speak loudly! Yea I talk to women behind your back but it's on twitter so it doesn't count! Yes, I have mountains of credit card debt that you didn't know about but that was from before we were married! And yea I won't show you the bills, but you can't judge me by them because you don't know if they are bad or good because I won't show you! And yea I was fired from work but that was that asshole Jake's fault cause he doesn't like me and he didn't press charges so we know that it's fake!

So there! Other than those things, and you can't mention anything I've ever said, what have I ever done wrong?!"

**** this is so funny.

His tweets and things he says are not his performance.

 

[Moderate Right]

You can't say crap is disqualified due to liberal opinion. Unless that's the type of state that you are championing Trump to support. Cons only huh?

I guess what you are trying to say is that you complain about Trump because he is anti-liberal. That's expected. In other words, Trump has done absolutely nothing wrong other than not being for your ideology.

 

[Moderate Right]

False. Everyone knew what was in obamacare. It was the most highly followed piece of legislation ever passed in the history of our country. Pelosi, as many have pointed out, was referring to the general population finding out that there aren't death panels and other falsehoods. That's the exact context in which she was speaking.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/



So while you're right that it's common for people to vote without reading, it's incredibly uncommon for them to vote (or sign in the case of Trump) without knowing fully whats in it.

I accept you surrender on the point.

 

[NeverTrump]

I guess what you are trying to say is that you complain about Trump because he is anti-liberal. That's expected. In other words, Trump has done absolutely nothing wrong other than not being for your ideology.

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo My viewpoints are centered right compared to some of the other liberals on this forum, but what we share is that we recognize that Trump is bad for the country. The corruption in his administration, his lies (i know you don't like to talk about them), his stupid twitter habit, his often wrong information when he isn't lying, his love of cable news over the job, the idiotic people he surrounds himself with. His conspiracy theories. His lack of empathy or care. His crappy attitude/lawsuits. His tough guy douchebag attitude. His relationships with even worse seedy/shady/greedy/paranoid sex freaks outside of the administration. How he sexualizes his daughter. His conman-like/selfish behavior, his poor business/deal making skills etc... I could go on and on and on about all that trump has done wrong and I do in my sigy, but you'll continue to bury your head in the sand. Being against this stuff isn't what I would consider "liberal."

Can you list the good things you think Trump has done. I listed two of them before.

 

[roughdraft274]

I accept you surrender on the point.

You can't surrender on a point that you never took the other side of. It would break the laws of logic.