Lindsey Graham Tells Us in Advance That He Will Be Lying Under Oath

[digitusmedius]

Republicans never stopped claiming existence of corruption within the “Clintons Foundation.” They would have probably try impeaching a president Hillary Clinton on that...
_Rules & norms are for Liberals to follow; with deceit, Republicans weasel their way out of any scandal or crime....

 

[haymarket]

I think your third way for Collins is what we'll see--i.e., she'll throw in the towel.

I agree. Collins is a coward who will do Trumps bidding and forgive his criminality with a vote to acquit while betraying her oath and then will slink off into the Maine landscape in disgrace hoping she will be forgotten over time.

The GOP has sold their soul to this piece crap and will burn in hell right along with him.

 

[Paradoxical]

Before the impeachment trial begins every senator will stand, raise their right hands and make the following oath:




From his ****-filled mouth:


There is video at CNN that I can't get a link to.

I give credit to this PoS, though. He's just saying what every other Republican intends to do and won't admit it.

I'm disappointed that the Democrats aren't as honest as him, but I would be crazy to think that even ONE of that bunch would ever tell the truth. He has heard the LACK of evidence and asked "Is that all there is to a fire?" and said to himself "You guys are wasting our time with this most recent hoax and I will not stand for anymore". Kudos to him.

 

[danielpalos]

The Chief Justice should maintain some decorum of legal procedure since he is not a member of the Legislative branch, and must Preside over the Senate and their trial.

 

[iguanaman]

None of them have evidence to support such thing and pretty much all 17 witnesses testified to such.

Taylor testified that linkage was never discussed on any phone call he was on and he never talked to the president.

Volker Morris ok n said the same thing.

Vindman said that the transcript was highly accurate and tell the transcript shows that no aid was held up nor was there any such thing said.

Half the people that testified never talked to the president. Nor did they have any evidence that anything was being held up.

Zelenksy himself has stated numerous times that there was nothing wrong said on the phone call.

Not one witness could state that we had a discussion ok n with trump and that the money was being held up for investigations.

As sondland stated he speculated but he had no evidence. He was not told why. When he asked the president said he wanted nothing.

The people that are in charge of the money were told that trump wanted other nations to help more. That is has been a campaign theme of his since be was nominated. As far as "other nations" contributing aid, Europe has supplied 2/3rds of the aid to Ukraine given since 2014. Soundlands "speculation" was based on his personal communications with Trump so you must think he was lying also.

Speculation and hearsay is not evidence.

Vindman listened in on the call and stated he wanted to amend the transcript but was denied. He also stated unequivocally that the aid was predicated on the investigations. Sondlands "speculation" was based on his multiple personal communications with Trump so you must think he is lying too.

 

[iguanaman]

Who was on the phone call and testified that they heard Trump withhold aid for a personal political favor?

.

Vindman was in on the call and said the aid was predicated on the investigations and went immediately to the WH lawyers about the call for that reason. He also wanted to amend the transcript but was denied.

 

[Grim17]

Vindman was in on the call and said the aid was predicated on the investigations and went immediately to the WH lawyers about the call for that reason. He also wanted to amend the transcript but was denied.

He didn't say that.

He testified “The demand was, in order to get the White House meeting, they had to deliver an investigation.” He didn't say the aid was predicated on the investigation.

Nice try.

 

[PeacefulPartier]

So, the OMB under Mulvaney (who's still the director of that department even as he's servicing Trump in the WH) comes up with long, LONG after-the-fact excuses for withholding the aid and you think that explains it all away?

When it fits with the pattern. The administration held up funding to the UN, NATO, several countries in South America all at the same time. Do you believe that all those countries and organizations were asked to investigate Biden too?

And then you lot piss and moan about being classified as a cult. The prosecution rests.

Classified? WTF are you talking about?

It is also noted that you cite a treaty which no one, not even your Dear Dirtbag has used as an excuse for the crime-ing up to now. These dollar-short and months-late justifications and excuses just illustrate how even you people realize your Dear Dirtbag is is in deep ****.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention. That treaty was cited immediately.

 

[bongsaway]

The Constitution is clear and nothing Trump has done comes remotely close to "high crimes and misdemeanors". Everybody knows this, even the people pushing the charade. If Bill Clinton easily stayed in office after 11 documented felonies, then there is no case against Trump.

Oh, and Democrats are not going to be happy next year, not at all.

We shall see what we shall see. Bill Clinton has nothing to do with trump, zero. As do the Biden's, zero. You would think by the sound of the republicans hunter is on trial for impeachment.

I also firmly think the blue wave will continue as the republicans lose the presidency and the senate and add more seats to the house. Yeah, that would be a really sad day for some.

 

[iguanaman]

He didn't say that.

He testified “The demand was, in order to get the White House meeting, they had to deliver an investigation.” He didn't say the aid was predicated on the investigation.

Nice try.

The aid was also withheld regardless and both are impeachable offenses. Trump has never stopped seeking help from foreign powers in his elections.

 

[Perotista]

I think your third way for Collins is what we'll see--i.e., she'll throw in the towel.

I have a feeling you're correct.

 

[iguanaman]

When it fits with the pattern. The administration held up funding to the UN, NATO, several countries in South America all at the same time. Do you believe that all those countries and organizations were asked to investigate Biden too?




Classified? WTF are you talking about?



Clearly you haven't been paying attention. That treaty was cited immediately.

Clearly you misunderstand how foreign aid is handled. It is not up to the Whitehouse whether to spend money approved by Congress.

The 1974 Impoundment Control Act allows the president to propose to rescind funding previously approved by Congress. Lawmakers have 45 days to consider the request and if they do not act to support the rescissions during that window, the request is denied. OMB can direct agencies not to spend the funding proposed for rescission for the entire 45-day period, regardless of when Congress acts.

White House Backs Down in Fight Over Foreign Aid Spending Cuts - Government Executive

No such request was made by Trump for the Ukraine aid. Trump just ordered it stopped without explanation and when called on it the OMB gave several different stories on why it was held.

Before the whistleblower complaint and the notes from Trump’s call with Zelensky were released, this timing perplexed Congress. Politico’s coverage of OMB’s delay suggests the Ukrainian funds were upheld as part of a larger White House initiative to review and cut “unnecessary” foreign assistance. This policy placed Trump in direct conflict with Senate Republicans, who saw the Ukrainian aid as vital to national security and thought the president was trying to circumvent Congress’s spending power.

OMB might have had the ability to withhold this aid if the White House had provided Congress with a message meeting the ICA’s requirements. But no message appears to have been sent. Furthermore, the aid from both Defense and State was held long past the mandated 45-day period and in apparent contravention of his powers defined by 31 U.S.C § 1512. The president and OMB did ultimately release the $250 million in aid from the Defense Department (on Sept. 11) and the $141 million from the State Department (around the same date). Whether there is some good legal or other explanation for the long delay in releasing the money is a question that lacks a clear answer, and that might remain unanswered indefinitely if Congress cannot get its hands on the requested documents.

The Role of OMB in Withholding Ukrainian Aid - Lawfare

 

[prometeus]

So the Ukrainian President was lying when he said he never felt pressure from President Trump to investigate Biden or announce an investigation into Biden?

So, is your post based on naivete or real stupidity? Perhaps both?

 

[digitusmedius]

When it fits with the pattern. The administration held up funding to the UN, NATO, several countries in South America all at the same time. Do you believe that all those countries and organizations were asked to investigate Biden too?

Obviously not and thanks for pointing out why doing it with Ukraine makes it so corrupt.

 

[digitusmedius]

Clearly you misunderstand how foreign aid is handled. It is not up to the Whitehouse whether to spend money approved by Congress.I

It's impossible to understand something when the Cult requires that it not be understood.

 

[digitusmedius]

The aid was also withheld regardless and both are impeachable offenses. Trump has never stopped seeking help from foreign powers in his elections.

The crime continues in real time as we "speak."

 

[Paradoxical]

We shall see what we shall see. Bill Clinton has nothing to do with trump, zero. As do the Biden's, zero. You would think by the sound of the republicans hunter is on trial for impeachment.

I also firmly think the blue wave will continue as the republicans lose the presidency and the senate and add more seats to the house. Yeah, that would be a really sad day for some.

Dream on.

 

[digitusmedius]

He didn't say the aid was predicated on the investigation.

Nice try.

Exactly!!! Even you got it!!!!! Your Dear Dirtbag didn't give a **** about whether there was an actual investigation much less whether there was any corruption to be found. All he needed was a very public announcement of an investigation so he could run that as an attack ad from now until election day (assuming Biden got the nomination). Uncovering corruption in Ukraine was never the goal of this shakedown.

 

[digitusmedius]

Dream on.

Wake up.

 

[Paradoxical]

Wake up.

Fully awake here. You have lost touch and are in a bubble if you think progressives are going to win in 2020. Not everyone lies in California or are socialist/progressives. They don't want socialism lite.

 

[digitusmedius]

Fully awake here. You have lost touch and are in a bubble if you think progressives are going to win in 2020. Not everyone lies in California or are socialist/progressives. They don't want socialism lite.

I think we heard that very same kind of tough talk right up until the 2018 election and the the 2019 ones in KY, LA, and PA.

 

[Paradoxical]

I think we heard that very same kind of tough talk right up until the 2018 election and the the 2019 ones in KY, LA, and PA.

Let's talk in November of 2020.

 

[veritas1]

Republicans know they are liars; it’s their conscious strategy NOT to allow others to bind them with traditional norms or rules. Republicans make sure liberals follow rules while strongly arguing against following those same traditional rules themselves... Republicans rigged the game, forcing liberals to play defense within their own half of the field at all times

Thanks for the hilarity.