Lies and the Republicans

[ataraxia]

and Obama didnt? Obama was getting cops assasinated due to his divisiveness ideology. Trump is doing things to help America not harm it.

Obama was giving voice to the legitimate concerns of minorities that they were being unfairly treated by some cops. He was trying to show there are two sides of the story.

Trump is completely turning a deaf ear to these legitimate concerns, and is claiming there is only one side of the story. And that's why he is hurting America.

 

[ataraxia]

Hmm... I suppose that is why so many (blue?) states have done this - by promising that your doctor/clinic will accept half as much and will give you better care as a result. Yet when anyone talks of cutting Medicare, Medicaid or VA funding (even by 5%) it is said to be either impossible or would harm the level of care provided.

The cost cuts will not come from providers or clinics, but to all the insurance paper pushers.

Don't tell us it can't be done. That's how it's done in the entire rest of the world. And they do better than us, while spending less.

 

[Eriech]

So you get your windstorm insurance on the day before the hurricane his? You can't do that.

No s#@t, rhetorical question. Hurricane coverage after the fact same as demanding preexisting conditions to be covered by INSURANCE companies.

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[ttwtt78640]

The cost cuts will not come from providers or clinics, but to all the insurance paper pushers.

Don't tell us it can't be done. That's how it's done in the entire rest of the world. And they do better than us, while spending less.

To even try to assert that 'insurance paper pushers' now get 1/2 (50%) of the medical care spending is simply BS.

 

[ataraxia]

To even try to assert that 'insurance paper pushers' now get 1/2 (50%) of the medical care spending is simply BS.

Never asserted that. Administrative costs of private insurance are one of the primary reasons healthcare costs in the US are so much higher, and continuing to grow so much faster, than other developed economies in the world:

"While the US spent significantly more on healthcare, the drivers of that spending may not be what stakeholders typically point to, such as increased use of doctor visits, hospitalizations, procedures, and specialist care, explained senior author Ashish Jha, K.T. Li, Professor of Global Health at Harvard Chan School and Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute (HGHI)...

The study showed that the US was an outlier with administrative spending, with administration and governance expenditures representing 8 percent of GDP compared to a mean of 3 percent of GDP.

Physicians in the US also reported a greater level of administrative burden than the mean of all other countries. About 54 percent of surveyed physicians in the US said time spent on administrative issues related to insurance or claims was a significant issue.

... the US still came out on top for administrative spending. And, when combined with the higher prices for provider services and prescription drugs, the US ended up spending the most out of all countries studied."
https://revcycleintelligence.com/ne...ive-costs-drive-higher-us-healthcare-spending

 

[ttwtt78640]

Never asserted that. Administrative costs of private insurance are one of the primary reasons healthcare costs in the US are so much higher, and continuing to grow so much faster, than other developed economies in the world:

My post (to which you replied) was made in response to a claim that UHC would cut US medical care expenses (costs?) in half. I agree that potential savings could result from 'single payer' alone but certainly not anywhere near 50%.

I get gobs of paperwork (via snail mail, no less) about the Medicare/Tricare claims/payments made on behalf of my 96 year old father (I am his legal guardian) that all state "this is not a bill" and seem to require no response yet state that they are "for your records". That seems to be a total waste of time and resources yet piles up since I (somehow must?) assume that "your records" must have some mysterious use or value. I toss those those rather large, accumulated piles of paper into the recycle bin each year after the lawyer, judge and court clerk (I must file an annual financial report as his guardian) and tax preparation professionals assure me that they have absolutely no use for any of it.

 

[D_NATURED]

Not by far is he the smartest man in the world, but you are right liberals are mad that they simply can't outsmart him.

Liberals are frustrated because you can't bring a brain to a dumb fight. As long as right wing morons take their ignorance, bigotry and inhuman apathy into the voting booth, as long as they excuse and ignore the interference in our elections, we can't fight that with facts, logic or peaceful protests. There is a brand of dumb, represented by the right that is proudly immune to intelligence, society, shame and love itself.

I have no answer for how to fix them. I honestly don't think you can. We are ALL lost when one half of the country are antibodies to society. Maybe we need to perish so that a smarter species can rise up and offer hope where we've lost it.

 

[ludin]

Most states have mandated Insurance when purchasing a car what was that about the Constitution?

FYI scotus has already ruled it is constitutional

You only have to buy car insurance if you drive if you don't drive you don't have to buy car insurance. the car insurance isn't for you it is to cover other people that you might hit while driving.
this argument has been busted more times than i can count.
FYI the SCOTUS gets things wrong. they are not infallible. they were wrong in this decision.

the federal government should never have the power to force you to buy a private product ever.

 

[ludin]

The "product" you claim people were being forced to buy is like water, everyone needs it. Without the mandate there can be no end to denying treatment for pre-existing conditions. Surely you are not too dense to understand that.

It doesn't matter what YOU think people need. The fact is that the federal government shouldn't have the power to force people to buy
a private product. Surely you are not too dense to understand that.

yet now the federal government has the power to force you to buy whatever products it wants you to and you have no say in the matter.

 

[ludin]

Liberals are frustrated because you can't bring a brain to a dumb fight. As long as right wing morons take their ignorance, bigotry and inhuman apathy into the voting booth, as long as they excuse and ignore the interference in our elections, we can't fight that with facts, logic or peaceful protests. There is a brand of dumb, represented by the right that is proudly immune to intelligence, society, shame and love itself.

I have no answer for how to fix them. I honestly don't think you can. We are ALL lost when one half of the country are antibodies to society. Maybe we need to perish so that a smarter species can rise up and offer hope where we've lost it.

This right here is why you lost the election please continue this type of unhinged posting.
it serves you no purpose and we can simply dismiss it.

there is 0 logic or anything else behind a rant like this. it simply proves what we already knew to begin with.

 

[akyron]

You seem to have confused what I wrote about Trump's rhetoric with what's written on those T-shirts.:2wave:

And you have yet to explain what about either example of free speech has your panties in a twist.

 

[ataraxia]

This right here is why you lost the election please continue this type of unhinged posting.
it serves you no purpose and we can simply dismiss it.

there is 0 logic or anything else behind a rant like this. it simply proves what we already knew to begin with.

Yes. I think what's frustrating is that what's ailing the right is not what they say is wrong with them. The real problem is that they feel culturally under siege: white, straight, Christian (preferably protestant sects only) males who are finding themselves in industries that are becoming obsolete in today's world and culturally becoming increasingly sidelined. They are afraid of losing their jobs, their status, their culture.

So it manifests itself as all sorts of phenomena that appear really bizarre. It's like an abused, neglected, or orphaned child who gets a chip on their shoulder and starts acting out and beating up random people on the street. If you ask him why he may have just gone up to a perfect stranger and punched him in the face, they may try to rationalize it to you (and to themselves)- with things like that he looked at him funny, or he didn't like his attitude, or he smelled funny, etc...

But that's not what's REALLY bugging him. I think liberals are getting frustrated because they are trying to talk rationally and figure out rationally about what's bugging the right so much. When they get irrational and incoherent and nonsensical answers like they do, they get frustrated and start cussing, and that alienates these rightwingers even more. They feel even more besieged and abused, and act out even more, and so on and on the vicious cycle spirals down.

We liberals need to realize what's REALLY bugging our rightwing friends, and try to address that. These guys may even vigorously defend themselves and tell us that's NOT what's bugging them: that they really think that the unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the planet is wrong and they think a real estate huckster from Manhattan knows better than all of them and it's really all just a Chinese hoax.

That's fine. We should just smile knowingly, and try to calm their real underlying fears. It's not about the environment. It's really going to take some mass psychotherapy on these people to address their fears. Once you do, I suspect all these other problems and strange, irrational behaviors are going to go away.

 

[ludin]

Yes. I think what's frustrating is that what's ailing the right is not what they say is wrong with them. The real problem is that they feel culturally under siege: white, straight, Christian (preferably protestant sects only) males who are finding themselves in industries that are becoming obsolete in today's world and culturally becoming increasingly sidelined. They are afraid of losing their jobs, their status, their culture.

So it manifests itself as all sorts of phenomena that appear really bizarre. It's like an abused, neglected, or orphaned child who gets a chip on their shoulder and starts acting out and beating up random people on the street. If you ask him why he may have just gone up to a perfect stranger and punched him in the face, they may try to rationalize it to you (and to themselves)- with things like that he looked at him funny, or he didn't like his attitude, or he smelled funny, etc...

the myth and fantasies of the liberals is amazing. They are so deluded it isn't even funny.

But that's not what's REALLY bugging him. I think liberals are getting frustrated because they are trying to talk rationally and figure out rationally about what's bugging the right so much. When they get irrational and incoherent and nonsensical answers like they do, they get frustrated and start cussing, and that alienates these rightwingers even more. They feel even more besieged and abused, and act out even more, and so on and on the vicious cycle spirals down.

Sorry but the left has no grip on the word rational. in fact they are some of the most irrational and unhinged people that i know of. Then all they can do is project their irrationality on other people
because we reject their irrational arguments to begin with.

We liberals need to realize what's REALLY bugging our rightwing friends, and try to address that. These guys may even vigorously defend themselves and tell us that's NOT what's bugging them: that they really think that the unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the planet is wrong and they think a real estate huckster from Manhattan knows better than all of them and it's really all just a Chinese hoax.

That's fine. We should just smile knowingly, and try to calm their real underlying fears. It's not about the environment. It's really going to take some mass psychotherapy on these people to address their fears. Once you do, I suspect all these other problems and strange, irrational behaviors are going to go away.

You can't address it until you change your way of thinking. once you change your way of thinking and actually learn tolerance and inclusion then you guys will continue your irrational ranting,
and we will continue to dismiss it for what it is.

 

[OscarLevant]

You only have to buy car insurance if you drive if you don't drive you don't have to buy car insurance. the car insurance isn't for you it is to cover other people that you might hit while driving.
this argument has been busted more times than i can count.
FYI the SCOTUS gets things wrong. they are not infallible. they were wrong in this decision.

the federal government should never have the power to force you to buy a private product ever.

Specious logic most people need to drive and not driving is not an option

 

[ludin]

Specious logic most people need to drive and not driving is not an option

no they don't.

Fact is fact you only need insurance if you drive. if you don't drive you don't need insurance.
therefore you are not being forced to buy something.

2ndly car insurance isn't for you. It is in case that you hit someone else.
it is to protect other people from you.

 

[OscarLevant]

no they don't.

Fact is fact you only need insurance if you drive. if you don't drive you don't need insurance.
therefore you are not being forced to buy something.

2ndly car insurance isn't for you. It is in case that you hit someone else.
it is to protect other people from you.

Please tell me you're not that stupid the vast majority of people drive because they have to drive and taking the bus is not an option. It's still mandated even though it's only for those who drive a mandate is a mandate.

 

[ludin]

Please tell me you're not that stupid the vast majority of people drive because they have to drive and taking the bus is not an option. It's still mandated even though it's only for those who drive a mandate is a mandate.

No the vast majority of people choose to drive. You have an option of not driving at all.
The fact is your argument was flawed and is flawed. car insurance is an option. you are not forced to buy it.

Something you still don't get.

if you choose to drive then you must carry coverage to protect people from your negligence. car insurance isn't for you
it is for other people in case you case an accident. hence why you can buy liability only.

it is in case you injure someone or wreck your car and cause damage to something else.
the fact is that car insurance is still option. you are not forced to buy it.

https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/bra...nce-is-not-like-mandatory-auto-insurance/7996

In reality, car-insurance coverage is not mandated to all Americans, all adults, or even all licensed drivers (one can maintain a license but not auto insurance if he or she does not plan to drive a car). Auto insurance is but one price that must be paid in order to enjoy the privilege of driving.

Alternatively, the mandatory health insurance proposal would essentially require that, in exchange for the privilege of … citizenship? Residency in the U.S.? Life? … one must procure health insurance for herself and her family. Can pedestrians “opt out” of mandatory health-insurance coverage, and more importantly, where in the Constitution does the Federal government have the right to mandate health insurance coverage in the first place?

article makes a great case for why your argument is folly.

 

[marke]

The reality is that Trump is the biggest liar that ever existed in the White House. Over 5000 lies so far and counting at the tune 16 per day. He is now the most non-believable President that has ever existed. What is worse, is that most of the Republicans (especially the House and the Senate) condone and support, as well as repeat, his lies.

When Trump was running for office he promised that he would defend Social Security and Medicare and even a few days ago (on Wednesday) he said the following:

“We’re saving Social Security. The Democrats will destroy Social Security. We’re saving Medicare. The Democrats want to destroy Medicare. …We will keep it going. We’re making it stronger. We’re making Social Security stronger.”

Is he really doing it?

THE FACTS: Trump hasn’t made Medicare and Social Security stronger.

The government’s annual trustees reports on the programs released in June shows the financial condition of both worsening significantly since last year. The projected insolvency for Social Security stayed unchanged — in 2034 — but Medicare’s moved three years closer, to 2026.

In addition, after instituting a $1.5 trillion tax cut favoring the rich and signing off on a $675 billion budget for the Department of Defense, Senate Majority Leader McConnell said on Tuesday of this week "the only way to lower the record-high federal deficit would be to cut entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security."

Two months ago, the Trump administration said it won't defend central provisions of the Affordable Care Act, saying in a legal filing Thursday night that key parts of the Affordable Care Act should be invalidated and that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. The provisions DOJ says should be invalidated are central to the ACA and would gut protections for those with pre-existing conditions.

Once again, Trump lies about helping people get Health Insurance that will be cheaper, better and that will protect those with pre-existing conditions.

Lies and more lies.

Trump accuses the Democrats of being angry mobs but then again all they are doing is using their Constitutional right to peacefully protest against losing their Health insurance, their voting rights (suppression happening in all Trump held states, such as Georgia), the ability of families to stay together and the lies that prevent justice from being done. They are protesting the increased risk that is brought upon us by Trump supporting (and trying to turn us into) autocrats and dictators.

How can anyone support a pathological liar given the he lies all the time and lies to his own benefit.

Just yesterday it was found out that Trump was personally involved in blocking the move of the FBI headquarters out of Washington to the suburbs. He said it was to save the government money and that the FBI leadership did not want to move. It was a big lie. He was personally involved in blocking the move as it is something that financially helps Trump himself.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/trump-fbi-building/index.html

Lies, lies, and more lies and mostly to help himself and his rich cronies.

The swamp has never been swampier than under Trump.

He is defrauding the American people and he is lying about it and his supporters believe him. What could be worse?

There may be no bigger lie going around than "Trump is destroying the America leftist liberals have been transforming for themselves for decades." That is both a lie and is also true. Trump is not destroying America. Trump is undermining the leftist agenda and the democrats do not like it one bit.

 

[Luckyone]

There may be no bigger lie going around than "Trump is destroying the America leftist liberals have been transforming for themselves for decades." That is both a lie and is also true. Trump is not destroying America. Trump is undermining the leftist agenda and the democrats do not like it one bit.

Yours is an opinion, and therefore as valid as mine.

Bottom line though, Trump is the biggest liar ever. This week alone he offered a few whoppers, inasmuch as he said there was another Tax Cut coming that would help the middle class. Mind you, no one in Congress was aware of that happening and it is them that would need to pass such a tax cut. In addition, Trump also said there were middle east terrorists involved in the Caravan that is coming from Honduras but he offered no proof.

All of these lies are for the benefit of trying to convince the idiots that believe in him to vote for the Republicans in the mid-terms. He is doing this by LYING and by trying to instill more fear so his supporters get out and vote. How much lower can he get and how dumb does he think his supporters are that would believe these fabrications out of nothing?

 

[marke]

Yours is an opinion, and therefore as valid as mine.

Bottom line though, Trump is the biggest liar ever. This week alone he offered a few whoppers, inasmuch as he said there was another Tax Cut coming that would help the middle class. Mind you, no one in Congress was aware of that happening and it is them that would need to pass such a tax cut. In addition, Trump also said there were middle east terrorists involved in the Caravan that is coming from Honduras but he offered no proof.

All of these lies are for the benefit of trying to convince the idiots that believe in him to vote for the Republicans in the mid-terms. He is doing this by LYING and by trying to instill more fear so his supporters get out and vote. How much lower can he get and how dumb does he think his supporters are that would believe these fabrications out of nothing?

When democrats rule good American patriots mourn.

 

[Luckyone]

When democrats rule good American patriots mourn.

I see, so the fact that McCain mourned with Trump ruling is not indicative?

 

[OscarLevant]

No the vast majority of people choose to drive. You have an option of not driving at all.
The fact is your argument was flawed and is flawed. car insurance is an option. you are not forced to buy it.

Something you still don't get.
.

If you drive, YOU ARE FORCED, at that juncture, to buy insurance.


Force, at any juncture, IS STILL FORCE.


For many, not driving is not an option.


If you don't believe it, do a survey. It is only an option, TECHNICALLY, which makes is a de jure argument, NOT a DE FACTO argument, which is all that matters.


This is a fact, apparently, that is beyond the radar scope of your limited awareness.

 

[Bullseye]

Yours is an opinion, and therefore as valid as mine.

Bottom line though, Trump is the biggest liar ever. This week alone he offered a few whoppers, inasmuch as he said there was another Tax Cut coming that would help the middle class. Mind you, no one in Congress was aware of that happening and it is them that would need to pass such a tax cut. In addition, Trump also said there were middle east terrorists involved in the Caravan that is coming from Honduras but he offered no proof.

You guys need to take a refreshing course in English. When Trump says something is COMING that doesn't mean it's here. There has been talk of Tax Cuts part 2 for several weeks. One issue that has been discussed for months, for example, is making the personal income tax cuts permanent.

All of these lies are for the benefit of trying to convince the idiots that believe in him to vote for the Republicans in the mid-terms. He is doing this by LYING and by trying to instill more fear so his supporters get out and vote. How much lower can he get and how dumb does he think his supporters are that would believe these fabrications out of nothing?

LOL, funny thing is I bet you swallowed every lie dear old Barack dropped on you. "Shovel ready jobs", "unemployment would never go higher than 8%", "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor . . .", "line in the sand".

 

[Bullseye]

The reality is that Trump is the biggest liar that ever existed in the White House. Over 5000 lies so far and counting at the tune 16 per day. He is now the most non-believable President that has ever existed. What is worse, is that most of the Republicans (especially the House and the Senate) condone and support, as well as repeat, his lies.

When Trump was running for office he promised that he would defend Social Security and Medicare and even a few days ago (on Wednesday) he said the following:

“We’re saving Social Security. The Democrats will destroy Social Security. We’re saving Medicare. The Democrats want to destroy Medicare. …We will keep it going. We’re making it stronger. We’re making Social Security stronger.”

Is he really doing it?

THE FACTS: Trump hasn’t made Medicare and Social Security stronger.

Real fact You need re-education in English syntax. When someone says we're saving Social Security and Medicare that DOESN"T MEAN HE'S already done IT. If I say Christmas is coming do you start unwrapping presents?

The government’s annual trustees reports on the programs released in June shows the financial condition of both worsening significantly since last year. The projected insolvency for Social Security stayed unchanged — in 2034 — but Medicare’s moved three years closer, to 2026.

Again, did he say IT WAS DONE or that he was working on it.

In addition, after instituting a $1.5 trillion tax cut favoring the rich and signing off on a $675 billion budget for the Department of Defense, Senate Majority Leader McConnell said on Tuesday of this week "the only way to lower the record-high federal deficit would be to cut entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security."

Now you're lying. Tax cuts were universal - 90% of taxpaying households got a benefit; take a math refresher - those that pay more got more than those that pay less.

Two months ago, the Trump administration said it won't defend central provisions of the Affordable Care Act, saying in a legal filing Thursday night that key parts of the Affordable Care Act should be invalidated and that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. The provisions DOJ says should be invalidated are central to the ACA and would gut protections for those with pre-existing conditions.] And GOP is already talking about PEC protections.

Once again, Trump lies about helping people get Health Insurance that will be cheaper, better and that will protect those with pre-existing conditions.

Lies and more lies.

Trump accuses the Democrats of being angry mobs but then again all they are doing is using their Constitutional right to peacefully protest against losing their Health insurance, their voting rights (suppression happening in all Trump held states, such as Georgia), the ability of families to stay together and the lies that prevent justice from being done. They are protesting the increased risk that is brought upon us by Trump supporting (and trying to turn us into) autocrats and dictators.

Like every other right there are limitations on rights. "Peaceful" can be used only ironically to describe the physical violent that has been manifested during many of those protests.

How can anyone support a pathological liar given the he lies all the time and lies to his own benefit.

You swallowed the Anointed One's lies for eight year, go find a mirror.

Just yesterday it was found out that Trump was personally involved in blocking the move of the FBI headquarters out of Washington to the suburbs. He said it was to save the government money and that the FBI leadership did not want to move. It was a big lie. He was personally involved in blocking the move as it is something that financially helps Trump himself.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/trump-fbi-building/index.html

Lies, lies, and more lies and mostly to help himself and his rich cronies.

The swamp has never been swampier than under Trump.

He is defrauding the American people and he is lying about it and his supporters believe him. What could be worse?

Do you need a towel?

 

[marke]

Yours is an opinion, and therefore as valid as mine.

All of these lies are for the benefit of trying to convince the idiots that believe in him to vote for the Republicans in the mid-terms. He is doing this by LYING and by trying to instill more fear so his supporters get out and vote. How much lower can he get and how dumb does he think his supporters are that would believe these fabrications out of nothing?

Reelect democrats if you like being lied to, robbed, cheated, and oppressed. Republicans are way behind democrats in throwing God and religion out of politics and public places.